Mick Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 Not really, no. But i wouldn't have started Lovenkrands ahead of either of them. I might have started Lovenkrands and a few of the kids, we weren't motivated and it was exactly the same last season against Stevenage. Even if Lovenkrands wasn't an obvious choice to start, he certainly was when we were a goal behind yet Pardew in his wisdom brought on 3 midfielders which is moronic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 One up front ffs. We got beat by such a shit team. There's so many other shit teams left in the competition too. There'll be shit teams in the semi-finals, and probably a shit team in the final. The winning team will only need a vaguely decent performance to win it in all likeliness. And in all the remaining rounds of the competition, we fans will angrily wonder why we chose to be one of those shit teams by playing one up front against a team set up to defend. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 I don't see how he was either defensive or played for the draw. Did he tell our front three to be turboshit? Best on the wing with hotshot striker Shola up front? You were expecting them to rip Brighton a new one? We were clearly set up in the same system that we played at home to QPR and in the first half against Fulham, which is mixtured and fluid. We needed more bodies in the area to score. We didn't get them in there all game, even when it was clear Shola was winning all the aerial battles. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 A shit team will win it, unless it's Spurs, there's only them left that are real quality. This was a fantastic chance for a good cup run and as usual we've barely bothered our arse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Banaloona Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 The OTT reaction saying that he should be replaced is ridiculous. Just like when he came, just like when we were beaten by West Brom at home before Xmas he will be judged at the end of the season. For me the mistake was the approach to the game. Very relaxed is fine but when the players mood and energy match the approach then that was the issue for me. No intensity or drive in them tonight. Only thing Pardew can be criticized with is in hindsight our approach to the game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 The OTT reaction saying that he should be replaced is ridiculous. Just like when he came, just like when we were beaten by West Brom at home before Xmas he will be judged at the end of the season. For me the mistake was the approach to the game. Very relaxed is fine but when the players mood and energy match the approach then that was the issue for me. No intensity or drive in them tonight. Only thing Pardew can be criticized with is in hindsight our approach to the game. Eh? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 The OTT reaction saying that he should be replaced is ridiculous. Just like when he came, just like when we were beaten by West Brom at home before Xmas he will be judged at the end of the season. For me the mistake was the approach to the game. Very relaxed is fine but when the players mood and energy match the approach then that was the issue for me. No intensity or drive in them tonight. Only thing Pardew can be criticized with is in hindsight our approach to the game. Eh? He put an O instead of a H, clearly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 i got no problem with the formation its the personnel in those position. same at fulham, why the fack is our striker playing on the wing??? that is down to the manager and no one else. gosling, loven, hba, jonas, obertan, raylor santon, can all play on the wings, yet pardew chooses Leon Best. the mind boggles Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 i got no problem with the formation its the personnel in those position. same at fulham, why the fack is our striker playing on the wing??? that is down to the manager and no one else. gosling, loven, hba, jonas, obertan, raylor santon, can all play on the wings, yet pardew chooses Leon Best. the mind boggles Agreed. It's reminiscent of Souness and his daft attempts at tactics. Kluivert in midfield with Shola up front will always remain a classic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 Lovenkrands looked reasonably competant as a winger so dunno why he wasn't given nod for that position if we're desperate, but Best needs to be up front obviously. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wil Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 A s*** team will win it, unless it's Spurs, there's only them left that are real quality. This was a fantastic chance for a good cup run and as usual we've barely bothered our arse. Hugely frustrating. Such a great opportunity pissed away, really. Only had to get through this round, and with the other boys coming back we'd have had our strongest chance for a long long while. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 I really don't get the 4-3-3 attempt like. I'm all for trying different things but it's square pegs in round holes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 Lovenkrands looked reasonably competant as a winger but Best needs to be up front obviously. No he doesn't and he never has. In Best's defense, he looked sharp in that position against QPR; plus he's (marginally) more likely to score. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 we have 4-3-3 in us just not with Best playing so wide and Shola at the top. Loven is nowhere near as bad as some make out. He's nowhere near good enough but he's better than Shola and when I last saw him on wing he had some good link up play and didn't look lost. Still didn't do much though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 I really don't get the 4-3-3 attempt like. I'm all for trying different things but it's square pegs in round holes. I would say it's 4-5-1 90% of the time. Typical Pardew to try and contain the other team instead of going out to win the game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 Two successive embarrassing defeats to lower league opposition. Cheers everyone. The Ronnie Radford cliches should be aplenty tonight. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 We would have inevitably drawn Aesenal, Liverpool, Spurs or Chelsea along the line and come unstuck. I can't remember the last time we beat anyone of quality in the FA Cup. Seriously.....Spurs in 2004? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 We would have inevitably drawn Aesenal, Liverpool, Spurs or Chelsea along the line and come unstuck. I can't remember the last time we beat anyone of quality in the FA Cup. Seriously.....Spurs in 2004? Chelsea and Spura in run to 05 semis. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 Problem was, it was played like this for most of the game: Krul Simpson Willi Perch Santon Guthrie Cabaye HBA Jonas Best Ameobi Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 I really don't get the 4-3-3 attempt like. I'm all for trying different things but it's square pegs in round holes. Will work once we get our best players back to replace the dead weight. It helps us keep possession and control games we're just being let down by the fact that Best and Shola have no movement between them and so play breaks down most of the time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlacknWhiteArmy Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 we have 4-3-3 in us just not with Best playing so wide and Shola at the top. Loven is nowhere near as bad as some make out. He's nowhere near good enough but he's better than Shola and when I last saw him on wing he had some good link up play and didn't look lost. Still didn't do much though. Surely better up front, like. Happy to work, not as stupid as Shola and would bank on him to score a lot higher than Ameobi. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 Lovenkrands looked reasonably competant as a winger but Best needs to be up front obviously. No he doesn't and he never has. In Best's defense, he looked sharp in that position against QPR; plus he's (marginally) more likely to score. dont get me wrong I dont blame this on Best. Playing him on the wing or outwide,. its like playing peter crouch or berbatov or andy carroll out on the wings, Best is not that type of striker, Rooney can play wide. Bellamy can play wide. im not talking about the distinction of class in these players but more about their style and versatility. Leon Best is not a wide player for fuck sake pardew you twat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 Very tenuous using the QPR game to justify that formation with Best on the left, Yorkie. We won and he scored a great goal but it was a very poor, very negative performance IMO. Other than ten minutes before half time, it was dreadful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 Our campaign either stalls now, or we kick on. Crunch time for Pardew, not that I'm calling for his head should we have a longer dip, but next series of fixtures should tell us a lot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 I'll get stick for this but I don't give a fuck. If we are to move on as a team we need a better tactician and someone who is more confident in his players than Pardew who lacks tactical nous even in basic terms and doesn't seem to trust his players like he should, especially the likes of Ben Arfa. Time and time again we are being undone by negative tactics or just plain and simple poor tactics and also being hampered by weird or wrong team selections. How the likes of Taylor get a game at right wing over Ben Arfa for example defies belief. How someone could play Joey Barton at left-wing also defies belief. These are constant fuck-ups by Pardew regarding team-selection and tactics and its costing usa lot. In the year or so he's been in charge our football hasn't really changed despite the quality of our players improving massively in key areas and for me being 6th under Pardew feels similar to the year we finished 7th under Roeder. You get the sense (well I do) that it is in spite of rather than because of. Pardew arguably has the best set of players in terms of the first-team we've had since Sir Bobby's days yet wek in week out we play poor football in the main with the odd cameo 10-20 minute spell, most notably against Fulham (apparently), Man Utd at home and Spurs. In general though we've been poor and have had to relie on good defending, goalkeeping heroics and the goals of Ba. Of course all teams have to rely on X and X at times but the better sides rely less on individuals than the team itself and I feel under Pardew unless Ba isn't scoring for example or Colo isn't emperious at the back we are neither here nor there and will always struggle because tactically he's useless in short as he's shown. I strongly believe under a better tactician and a more positive manager we'd easily be sat in fourth right now and most certainly wouldn't be out of the FA Cup. We went to Brighton with a game plan not to lose and that's detrimental to the players we have who need to be let off the leash if you like, especially players like Ben Arfa who seems shit scared to make a mistake and so plays or tries to play this conservative kind of game which just isn't him and actually makes him look turbo shit as was evidenced today. With 20 minutes to go at home to QPR Pardew instructs the side tactically and selection wise (via his subs) to kill the game. At home? To QPR? From a winning position? He did likewise away to Fulham and was embarrassingly handed his arse tactically by Jol. And speaking of the Dutchman, it pains me to see that Fulham, QPR and the mackems to name three clubs have better in the dugout than we do. Its clear as day that these days the manager of Newcastle has two roles, to manage players and to coach and while Pardwew has built on what was an already strong team spirit and seems a good motivator, he brings little in terms of tactics and coaching. We play poor football despite having very good footballers. If we are to improve as a team, bearing in mind we will always recruit good players under Carr et al, we need to improve the coaching and tactics and that means replacing Pardew. The scouts seem to perfer up and coming talent from abroad, I suggest the likes of Carr start looking at coaches from that context too if we are to keep improving. We are in a better position in the table thus far under Pardew than we were under Hughton but footballing wise we have not improved and nor has our tactics, if anything Hughton's tactics were better. We seemed to have more of a game plan. It is no coincidence though that Pardew has better players at his disposal. A better manager than him will only improve us further. Stcikm with him and nights like tonight will become more and more common as eventually turned out at West Ham, Charlton et al. His track record suggests he doesn't have enough in his locker to ever do something special as a manager and we have the nucleus of a side that can do something special. You know, like maybe go all the way in I don't know, the FA Cup? Not with the likes of Pardwew and his piss poor tactics, fucked up team selections and negativity, though. Now fire away... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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