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gbandit

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voted good twice before. voted ok this time. The more time you give, the more you learn obviously and I haven't seen anywhere near enough fluidity from us or attacking intent. I forgave the poor performances at the start-middle of the season because players were gelling and there was a lot to be worked out, obviously the results were superb and I just thought 'wow, we're getting these results and we're not even close to being a team yet' but as time has gone on, we've not looked anymore like a team and players have played far worse than their talent suggests they can play. I'm worried about our style of play and have been for a few months and it's not results that will change that for me, but performances. I am disappointed, more so because I feel we were sold a few cheap lies by Pardew about our style of play.

 

Pick it up Pards, stability will help us to success but no amount of stability coupled with poor management will get us anywhere. You have some great players and you'll get more in the summer, get the team playing as one.

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Dr Venkman

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Wouldn't go that far Toon's Taylor...

 

Put a fork in him, he's done for me like. End of the season would be perfect. We know when a player isn't good enough or when a player has topped out his potential and Pardew for me is in that boat. He's done his job, he won't take us further and is holding us back. We've got 8-9 players who are top class, best we've had in ages and he had 7-8 of them available today and he made us look like a conference team on a bad run of form.

 

I've found myself be surprisingly supportive of him, but have recently been quietly disappointed with his inability on match days but today really is the match that's got me pissed off to the point of I've lost faith,  and he's lost my support. I know I'll get it's too soon, I also know everyone will be saying the same thing in time, it's inevitable.

 

I'm starting to edge toward this after today's game. All season I've praised the overall job he's done but there's always been a nagging doubt, especially with the likes of Liverpool away and Brighton 'performances' and countless others really. Today was just a continuation of that scared negative defend first attack if they let you mindset, I even posted in the pre match thread saying it's a massive opportunity to get our attacking game going but we knew what we'd get, Pardew was true to form.

 

We started off the season with the aim of being hard to beat, we haven't progressed one inch as a team.

 

I honestly think that if we got a progressive, balanced manager in with an eye for how to attack teams some people would be surprised at how well the majority of our first team  can actually play football.

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tbh id call it;

 

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seriously though, can you ever imagine sacking him with us in the shape we are in now?

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Spudil

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I'm not really considering it currently. But most objections and criticisms of Pardew here are not knee- jerk reactions, they are long standing problems. For example; the style of football we play and the lies we were sold about the style of football we would play. In fact that ESPN video a few pages back shows that Pardew lying about his style of football is even more long standing than his time at this club!

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I'm not really considering it currently. But most objections and criticisms of Pardew here are not knee- jerk reactions, they are long standing problems. For example; the style of football we play and the lies we were sold about the style of football we would play. In fact that ESPN video a few pages back shows that Pardew lying about his style of football is even more long standing than his time at this club!

Yes.... He 'knew' what we wanted to see.

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Super Duper Branko Strupar

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Be stupid to judge him on today, man. Yes it was fucking woeful and coupled with Spurs and Fulham it looks terrible. Its an easy excuse to make that today was the first time in a while we've had our full team out, even though they had a good while to prepare for this, but it's a valid one for now. If we're shite against the mackems, then any conclusions made on today's performance will be more relevant.

 

The no fluidity and lack of attacking intent worry is one I share, but we've conceded a lot of fucking woeful goals of late, so also is our poor defensive record. Pardew brought this up in the post match interview today and I cringed, but you can see the arguement. We gained so many points early on in the season from not conceding. I'd much rather rely on Ba and Cisse scoring from limited chances as long as we don't concede rather than rely on outscoring the opposition concentrating on attack more than defense.

 

I'd love to watch great football week in week out,  not something I've had the chance to do much this season at all, but I'd much rather us finish top 6. The arguement is do we get there from being a team that takes the game to everyone or one that doesn't concede (Im fully aware a balance of both would be the best option, but that's asking to much I feel)? We're in a very privileged position to be worrying about what we are.

 

FWIW Im anti Pardew's conservative stance, anti Barfa not playing, anti Simpson and anti-Raylor, but we have far too many weak points for us to achieve what we're dreaming this season, so what do we address/what do we gamble while still maintaining the best chance possible to finish as high as possible?

 

A poor performance next week will speak volumes, and it's just unlucky that we're at this point playing the scum next week. I think we'd be able to understand a lot more if we played a different team next week. So for now we're just going to have to wait and continue to see what's done.

 

I dont see him playing Ben Arfa, I see Simpson playing as well as Raylor. The wrong choices in my opinion, but I'd rather let PArdew try for the moment and see if he starts getting it right again than get on his or certain players' back or ask for someone else. We're just not that good to be expecting that.

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We're past that unfortunately. Our last several performances have been very worrying, including the wins.

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I am willing to all-in all my bank savings that if Pardew got sacked and a new manager's coming for the next season, we would be out of top 10, if not in relegation zone.

 

Put it simple.  The majority of our players are nth but average EPL players. Pardew has been excellent in bringing out their best by using a very rigid and narrow tactics, even though it is relatively one-dimensional and inflexible. So could we play better by using other tactics? Well sure we could always argue "we can do this and do that together and become perfect in every area", but in reality, I don't think so, unless we could sign 3-4 players in Cabaye-calibre and completely overhaul our centre defender (including Saylor) and our right side.  Could we do so? We need tons of luck, because Ashley would not do it unless there's bargaining deals or loop holes, we all know that.

 

I always think the opinions in this board are quite interesting.  Not offending to anyone, but I read many posts stating that many of our players are not good enough for a top 6 spot, but at the same time we also argue that Pardew is not the one that could bring out the best of our team and the Top 6 spot is nth but fluke. Then who is hindering our progress now? Can anyone tell me what stand should I take? The player or the manager?

 

And during a season that we are playing the best since Souness?

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voted good twice before. voted ok this time. The more time you give, the more you learn obviously and I haven't seen anywhere near enough fluidity from us or attacking intent. I forgave the poor performances at the start-middle of the season because players were gelling and there was a lot to be worked out, obviously the results were superb and I just thought 'wow, we're getting these results and we're not even close to being a team yet' but as time has gone on, we've not looked anymore like a team and players have played far worse than their talent suggests they can play. I'm worried about our style of play and have been for a few months and it's not results that will change that for me, but performances. I am disappointed, more so because I feel we were sold a few cheap lies by Pardew about our style of play.

 

Pick it up Pards, stability will help us to success but no amount of stability coupled with poor management will get us anywhere. You have some great players and you'll get more in the summer, get the team playing as one.

Yet another good post.

 

I say let Alan Pardew tell you what you should do with him at the end of the season. The league standings will be final without excuses (Apart from his).

 

There are 12 more matches to analyze how he wants us to play going forward. Personally, I see us finish 9-11th position as i mention in the thread, highly doubt at final season run in, where most teams actually up their games, we would be there fighting as we dont have a game plan for it.

 

As frequent as we have been found out recently, i cannot see a turning point, it is a fatal weakness sitting back inviting teams onto us while having one of the league worst attacking formulas in the final third of the opposition 's halve. Fundamentals on the pitch have to have progress if we want consistent football and results. Without fundamentals the results will even itself out in more games(samples) and will come truth tellingly to most.

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Put it simple.  The majority of our players are nth but average EPL players. Pardew has been excellent in bringing out their best by using a very rigid and narrow tactics, even though it is relatively one-dimensional and inflexible. So could we play better by using other tactics? Well sure we could always argue "we can do this and do that together and become perfect in every area", but in reality, I don't think so, unless we could sign 3-4 players in Cabaye-calibre and completely overhaul our centre defender (including Saylor) and our right side.  Could we do so? We need tons of luck, because Ashley would not do it unless there's bargaining deals or loop holes, we all know that.

 

Tiote, Colo, Cabaye, Ba, Cisse, HBA, Santon, Krul - would any of these players look out of place in a top 6, or even top 4 side? Sure, squad depth is a problem but the majority of these players have been available throughout the season, and the results certainly show it.

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