Guest Pie Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 Think we seen some good quotes from him today. Lets hope it´s just not good quotes but also that we lives up to them. Don´t think we need to spend all the Carroll money to improve (see this summer). But it would be a very risky game to play. In a way I like the "new" Newcastle with a sound economy than under crazy Shepherd. Let´s just hope that we can continue to scout well. The success of a player at a club isn´t necessary how much he cost. More Tioté and Ben Arfa please The manager who signed those players is gone though. We may have got him in on loan while Hughton was here, but did HBA not sign with us permanently under Pardew? I doubt he'd do that if Hughton was the sole reason for his arrival. That's like saying if a manager leaves, every single player then immediately asks to leave too. How often does that happen? Chris Hughton's the only manager I've ever seen who's apparently not allowed to get any credit for the signings he made. Tiote and HBA are credited to Carr and even Mike Ashley recently. When Bobby Robson left and we had £50m to spend, I don't remember everyone saying "well at least we can buy more like Robert and Bellamy" because the bloke who picked them, signed them, was gone. If Wenger leaves Arsenal tomorrow do you think their fans will be saying "don't need him, we'll just find more players like Fabregas and van Persie"? Pardew might be a genius with transfers but he has yet to prove it. He hasn't exactly started well. Silly Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpal78 Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 Think we seen some good quotes from him today. Lets hope it´s just not good quotes but also that we lives up to them. Don´t think we need to spend all the Carroll money to improve (see this summer). But it would be a very risky game to play. In a way I like the "new" Newcastle with a sound economy than under crazy Shepherd. Let´s just hope that we can continue to scout well. The success of a player at a club isn´t necessary how much he cost. More Tioté and Ben Arfa please The manager who signed those players is gone though. We may have got him in on loan while Hughton was here, but did HBA not sign with us permanently under Pardew? I doubt he'd do that if Hughton was the sole reason for his arrival. Shh don't say that, by Wullie's 'logic' when a signing turns out good, it must be all to Hughton's credit. Don't you know Hughton is the next Mourinho...that's why he is now managing err... Christ how dull. Dull coz you have no response? :lol: Anyway not as dull as your Hughton wank fest even after he is no longer relevant to Newcastle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
80 Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 Think we seen some good quotes from him today. Lets hope it´s just not good quotes but also that we lives up to them. Don´t think we need to spend all the Carroll money to improve (see this summer). But it would be a very risky game to play. In a way I like the "new" Newcastle with a sound economy than under crazy Shepherd. Let´s just hope that we can continue to scout well. The success of a player at a club isn´t necessary how much he cost. More Tioté and Ben Arfa please The manager who signed those players is gone though. We may have got him in on loan while Hughton was here, but did HBA not sign with us permanently under Pardew? I doubt he'd do that if Hughton was the sole reason for his arrival. Shh don't say that, by Wullie's 'logic' when a signing turns out good, it must be all to Hughton's credit. Don't you know Hughton is the next Mourinho...that's why he is now managing err... Christ how dull. Dull coz you have no response? :lol: Anyway not as dull as your Hughton wank fest even after he is no longer relevant to Newcastle Hardly know why people go on about the mess the Halls and Shepherds left us in then... Guess I should lock the SBR thread too... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 Think we seen some good quotes from him today. Lets hope it´s just not good quotes but also that we lives up to them. Don´t think we need to spend all the Carroll money to improve (see this summer). But it would be a very risky game to play. In a way I like the "new" Newcastle with a sound economy than under crazy Shepherd. Let´s just hope that we can continue to scout well. The success of a player at a club isn´t necessary how much he cost. More Tioté and Ben Arfa please The manager who signed those players is gone though. We may have got him in on loan while Hughton was here, but did HBA not sign with us permanently under Pardew? I doubt he'd do that if Hughton was the sole reason for his arrival. Shh don't say that, by Wullie's 'logic' when a signing turns out good, it must be all to Hughton's credit. Don't you know Hughton is the next Mourinho...that's why he is now managing err... Christ how dull. Dull coz you have no response? :lol: Anyway not as dull as your Hughton wank fest even after he is no longer relevant to Newcastle Of course he's relevant to the comment "more Tiotes and Ben Arfas please", he signed them. Might as well say "another Rob Lee and a Craig Bellamy please " Grow up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoot Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 Think we seen some good quotes from him today. Lets hope it´s just not good quotes but also that we lives up to them. Don´t think we need to spend all the Carroll money to improve (see this summer). But it would be a very risky game to play. In a way I like the "new" Newcastle with a sound economy than under crazy Shepherd. Let´s just hope that we can continue to scout well. The success of a player at a club isn´t necessary how much he cost. More Tioté and Ben Arfa please The manager who signed those players is gone though. We may have got him in on loan while Hughton was here, but did HBA not sign with us permanently under Pardew? I doubt he'd do that if Hughton was the sole reason for his arrival. Indeed he did. Pardew signed Ben Arfa on a permanent deal for the next 4 and a half years (June 2015). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 Think we seen some good quotes from him today. Lets hope it´s just not good quotes but also that we lives up to them. Don´t think we need to spend all the Carroll money to improve (see this summer). But it would be a very risky game to play. In a way I like the "new" Newcastle with a sound economy than under crazy Shepherd. Let´s just hope that we can continue to scout well. The success of a player at a club isn´t necessary how much he cost. More Tioté and Ben Arfa please The manager who signed those players is gone though. We may have got him in on loan while Hughton was here, but did HBA not sign with us permanently under Pardew? I doubt he'd do that if Hughton was the sole reason for his arrival. Indeed he did. Pardew signed Ben Arfa on a permanent deal for the next 4 and a half years (June 2015). I'm talking about finding, scouting and deciding on good players, not which personnel were in the room with them when they signed a certain deal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
80 Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 Think we seen some good quotes from him today. Lets hope it´s just not good quotes but also that we lives up to them. Don´t think we need to spend all the Carroll money to improve (see this summer). But it would be a very risky game to play. In a way I like the "new" Newcastle with a sound economy than under crazy Shepherd. Let´s just hope that we can continue to scout well. The success of a player at a club isn´t necessary how much he cost. More Tioté and Ben Arfa please The manager who signed those players is gone though. We may have got him in on loan while Hughton was here, but did HBA not sign with us permanently under Pardew? I doubt he'd do that if Hughton was the sole reason for his arrival. Indeed he did. Pardew signed Ben Arfa on a permanent deal for the next 4 and a half years (June 2015). Not wanting to get dragged into this debate, because it's no real comment upon Pardew to say it, but given that under the Hughton regime, Ben Arfa was identified as a viable signing, the deal was negotiated with a view to the pot of money he had to spend, the lad was convinced to prefer us long before he had get well balloons sent to him, and he signed in what would have been a binding deal had De Jong not got in the way, I think it's fair to say Pardew contributed nothing more than a coup de grace to the affair. Saying otherwise is like saying John Carver giving N'Zogbia his first start shows he saw the potential in him that Bobby Robson had failed to spot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 Pardew might well make some fantastic signings in the future but there's no way Ben Arfa was down to him. Although to his credit he did at least recognise that he was a special player and made public noises about how he wanted to seal a permanent deal. How much input Hughton had in identifying HBA and Tiote I have no idea but if it was significant he will be a big miss. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 Pardew might well make some fantastic signings in the future but there's no way Ben Arfa was down to him. Although to his credit he did at least recognise that he was a special player and made public noises about how he wanted to seal a permanent deal. How much input Hughton had in identifying HBA and Tiote I have no idea but if it was significant he will be a big miss. Noone to my knowledge has said HBA signing is soley down to Pardew, nor has anything said taken away from Hughton having any sort of role in his arrival. However, Wullie saying that he was a Hughton signing despite his signing a 4 and a half year contract when another manager is in the job is just barmy. If anything, and if there is to be no credit given to Pardew, it (not unusually) simply suggests that signing for the club is the more important factor than any particular manager in charge at the time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 BD, you're missing my point by a country mile man. We're discussing scouting and deciding on players, I'm not interested in Ben Arfa's decision making. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpal78 Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 BD, you're missing my point by a country mile man. We're discussing scouting and deciding on players, I'm not interested in Ben Arfa's decision making. Of course not, coz HBA's decision making does not fit into your view/agenda of giving all credit to Hughton, selective as usual, why am I not surprised and I should be the one growing up Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmk Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 BD, you're missing my point by a country mile man. We're discussing scouting and deciding on players, I'm not interested in Ben Arfa's decision making. Of course not, coz HBA's decision making does not fit into your view/agenda of giving all credit to Hughton, selective as usual, why am I not surprised and I should be the one growing up So you still haven't explained why credit should not go to Hughton for the signings of Tiote and Ben Arfa? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 Are you going to follow me round like a puppy, yapping every time i make comment about the manager? Either make a reasonable point or find something else to do man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 I thought we'd established during the Keegan case that the manager isn't really responsible for transfers? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 So who is? Wise isn't here anymore. I don't have any doubt that Hughton scouted, researched, signed CT and HBA, nor do i have any doubt that he did the same with James Perch. It's not a case of giving or taking credit from anyone, simply saying that saying 'another Tiote please' is no more valid than saying you want another Rob Lee because neither person who chose those players is here anymore. It's no more valid in fact than saying 'let's sign a Fabregas'! It's very easy to talk about using these policies, it's quite another to consistently put them into practice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 So who is? Wise isn't here anymore. I don't have any doubt that Hughton scouted, researched, signed CT and HBA, nor do i have any doubt that he did the same with James Perch. It's not a case of giving or taking credit from anyone, simply saying that saying 'another Tiote please' is no more valid than saying you want another Rob Lee because neither person who chose those players is here anymore. It's no more valid in fact than saying 'let's sign a Fabregas'! It's very easy to talk about using these policies, it's quite another to consistently put them into practice. Really? I find it hard to believe that Mike Ashley put that sort of power in Hughton's hands even though he didn't trust or rate him. That said, I don't know the actual truth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Swift Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 Why would Llambias be reportedly angry at Hughton for signing Best and Perch if the manager isn't responsible for transfers? Or are the bad transfers Hughton's responsibility and the good ones - like Tiote and HBA - scouted and handled by the omniscient regime that is Llambias, Ashley and superscout Carr? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 Why would Llambias be reportedly angry at Hughton for signing Best and Perch if the manager isn't responsible for transfers? Or are the bad transfers Hughton's responsibility and the good ones - like Tiote and HBA - scouted and handled by the omniscient regime that is Llambias, Ashley and superscout Carr? I didn't know he was angry, is there any evidence to support that? Anyway, nobody knows the workings of how we conduct transfers so this is a totally pointless argument. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallace Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 Why would Llambias be reportedly angry at Hughton for signing Best and Perch if the manager isn't responsible for transfers? Or are the bad transfers Hughton's responsibility and the good ones - like Tiote and HBA - scouted and handled by the omniscient regime that is Llambias, Ashley and superscout Carr? I didn't know he was angry, is there any evidence to support that? Anyway, nobody knows the workings of how we conduct transfers so this is a totally pointless argument. It was reported in the papers that they were not impressed with the signings of Best and Perch and that was one of the contributing factors in Hughton's sacking. (Although Hughton was going to be sacked regardless). They did the same with Keegan - claimed credit for Bassong and blamed Keegan for Xisco until the truth came out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 So they blamed Keegan for Nacho but it wasn't really his fault, and they were angry with Hughton for Perch/Best but it was really his fault? All I'm saying is nobody really knows, your post seems to confirm that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 From around when he signed Tev/Mascherano they had some decent words for him before it went wrong. Carlos Tevez and Javier Mascherano have explained why they turned down some of Europe's biggest clubs in order to make a shock deadline day move to West Ham. The Argentine duo were only told about the move two days before it took place. Tevez said: "Other clubs in the Premier League and Europe were interested in us but when we met Alan Pardew he made us both really feel wanted." Mascherano added: "Pardew talked about his vision for us and the club and we both became very excited." So hopefully hes pretty good at being inspirational & selling a club to a player. He did alright at HT in the 4-4, though obviously other factors likely had a bigger effect. Chances are this may be more important for signings like getting in a striker as we currently need, as its much harder to find hidden gems in that position. The stats are far more obvious for managers/scouts to notice than other positions like Tiotes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 Why would Llambias be reportedly angry at Hughton for signing Best and Perch if the manager isn't responsible for transfers? Or are the bad transfers Hughton's responsibility and the good ones - like Tiote and HBA - scouted and handled by the omniscient regime that is Llambias, Ashley and superscout Carr? But didn't they admit in the tribunal that the 'manager has the final say in transfers' was wrong? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorJ_01 Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Alan Fart-Poo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
quayside Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Why would Llambias be reportedly angry at Hughton for signing Best and Perch if the manager isn't responsible for transfers? Or are the bad transfers Hughton's responsibility and the good ones - like Tiote and HBA - scouted and handled by the omniscient regime that is Llambias, Ashley and superscout Carr? Not responding to your post alone but all the posts in general. Basically people even if Hughton didn't go out there and scout the players himself, he still had the final say on getting them here and played a role in attracting them to the club. By the way some talk on here it's as if he was the anti-christ, however I still remember what he done for this club and we need to give credit where credit is due. Pardew has done a good job so far however, we must not forget the (disgraceful) circumstances in which he came in, though I must stress that although Ashley must be the one to blame for those circumstances, Pardew still had a hand in it. Now he's done well, but he hasn't signed any of his own players (except Kuqi) and as such we should recoginise that Hughton must have had a hand in the dealing bringing Tiote and unifying the team and TBH it does seem as if he could have kept all our major players here as they loved him. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1336641/Newcastle-bring-big-Chris-Hughton-sacking-joke-says-Jose-Enrique.html But I do say that pardew has done a good job, so far, it's just the circumstances in which he came here make me hesitant to be declaring him the Geordie Messiah like some are saying on here. But still a good job so far. Doubt there are many takers on the Geordie Messiah but you might get a bit of action on "has done a good job, so far". I said on here (can't be arsed to look when) that it's a judgement call on whether AP is an upgrade on CH. Based on not very much I happen to think he is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crayola Kid Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Why would Llambias be reportedly angry at Hughton for signing Best and Perch if the manager isn't responsible for transfers? Or are the bad transfers Hughton's responsibility and the good ones - like Tiote and HBA - scouted and handled by the omniscient regime that is Llambias, Ashley and superscout Carr? But didn't they admit in the tribunal that the 'manager has the final say in transfers' was wrong? isnt it also true that we first tried to sign mike williamson in january 09, long before hughton became manager? suggests at the very least that more than one person is responsible for identifying targets. and given how long the average manager lasts, that has to be a good thing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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