JH Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 We looked so much better in a 4-3-3 when HBA came on and Jonas went to the right of the three. Then Pardew fucked it up, and changed it back (when Gosling and Perchy came on) to what we started the game with. Baffling at times. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 6th place with a squad laced with bargain basement Championship rubbish and he gets criticised for not playing pretty enough football. Pathetic. This isn't the full story. I'm guessing you know that already though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnypd Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 We could have played any sort of footballing formula and won today. Total walk in the park, but credit to him for the changes in the second half. Although i'd have removed Shola before Best, this role he's manufactured for Perch is pretty effective. Fair play to him for that cos i, along with anyone else, had thought of him as a lost cause. Seems to work sacrificing a striker and solidifying the gaps between midfield and defence. It's not very ambitious but it's helped us on our way to a lot of points. Should've started Ben Arfa though. Agree. The game was there to be lost rather than won as QPR are a shocking side. think the one good spell we had was immediately after Ben Arfa took to the pitch - we were far more fluid as a side. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 6th place with a squad laced with bargain basement Championship rubbish and he gets criticised for not playing pretty enough football. Pathetic. This isn't the full story. I'm guessing you know that already though. Just the important stuff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 We looked so much better in a 4-3-3 when HBA came on and Jonas went to the right of the three. Then Pardew fucked it up, and changed it back (when Gosling and Perchy came on) to what we started the game with. Baffling at times. Any fluidity had worn off by the time Perch came on anyway, the game was clearly won and we just chilled out tbh. I don't think that was a bad move at all, bringing Perch on. This 4-1-4-1 business has shown to be pretty effective. We can retain possession between all phases of the play with general confidence, and if we do lose the ball, there's a man between defence and midfield to stand-in as another blockade. It only doesn't work when Krul gets the ball and gives it to the opposition over and over again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 The problem with the 4-4-1-1 or whatever it is, is when we switched to it, the game was only either going to finish 1-0 or 1-1. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 He has lots he should be praised on & some that can be criticized. It doesnt have to always be one or the other. Hes done a good job overall clearly, his choices with Barfa many would still have solid reason to disagree with. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 We were never going to concede after Perch came on. Absolute walk in the park for the last twenty mins. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 8 clean sheets from 21 games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 The only thing people are complaining about with regards to Pardew is his decision to constantly bench Ben Arfa, again it proved to be a daft move today. I'm pretty sure everyone realises the limitations we have, but still to suggest this squad of players are punching above their weight to be where they are in the league is fucking ludicrous when half of the league suffers from the exact same problem, Stoke are comfortably in 8th man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 Someone obviously forgot to tell Perch that then Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 8 clean sheets from 21 games. Do you think it was a good idea to start with Shola and Best up front and thump the ball long then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 Best, certainly; Shola, not really. why? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 Best, certainly; Shola, not really. I think that's what the "critics" are saying as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sicko2ndbest Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 Taking the team away for some sun after the Fulham game! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ykmkmdd Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 http://www.nufc.co.uk/articles/20120115/pardew-we-were-accomplished_2281670_2578070? And while Pardew is not looking down the table, he acknowledged that United are rapidly closing in on the magic 40-point survival mark. "It's not been a target of ours, if I am honest, but it's a nice target to have under your belt," said the boss. "Every Premier League manager probably has a decent glass of win when they get that, so I shall hopefully look forward to that in the near future." I will also be enjoying a glass of win tonight. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 Another win, well done. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 Let's face it, 6th position at this point is dreamland stuff, and Pardew deserves massive credit. All the rest is detail. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 Amazing how we can get this far in spite of our manager. Funny that we didn't think about doing this at all in the last few years. We could have won the league by now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 We saw the best and the worst of him in equal measure today. Thankfully Obertan didn't make the starting line up but the first twenty minutes of the game was a perfect example of us not taking the initiative by putting our best team out and attacking a massively inferior team. That said, the Ben Arfa substitution saw a change of formation (fuck me, we had a plan B!) and Jonas in that central role in particular was very effective, pretty sure he played the ball to Best for the goal? It was just so odd that HBA wasn't deemed worthy of a starting place bit it was ok to bring him on after 20 mins? Anyway, we've been reasonably good at grinding out those sort of wins this season which reflects well on Pardew. If we can add another proper full back and a striker to complement Ba we should be able to add more creativity to our defensive effort and really push on, if not this season then next. He's got to be praised for having us in 6th, it's a fantastic effort so far. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 We saw the best and the worst of him in equal measure today. Thankfully Obertan didn't make the starting line up but the first twenty minutes of the game was a perfect example of us not taking the initiative by putting our best team out and attacking a massively inferior team. That said, the Ben Arfa substitution saw a change of formation (f*** me, we had a plan B!) and Jonas in that central role in particular was very effective, pretty sure he played the ball to Best for the goal? It was just so odd that HBA wasn't deemed worthy of a starting place bit it was ok to bring him on after 20 mins? Anyway, we've been reasonably good at grinding out those sort if wins this season which reflects well on Pardew. If we can add another proper full back and a striker to complement Ba we should be able to add more creativity to our defensive effort and really push on, if not this season then next. He's got to be praised for having us in 6th, it's a fantastic effort so far. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 6th place with a squad laced with bargain basement Championship rubbish and he gets criticised for not playing pretty enough football. Pathetic. Except it isn't a squad laced with bargain basement Championship rubbish as you claim and even if it were, there is still no excuse for the long-ball game, poor tactics and mismatched team selections. You just have to look at Swansea to see that playing good football can reap dividends and we actually have good quality footballers to play good quality football. Against Man Utd wehere the game is going to be fast and quite frenetic you can put two big men up top, sacrifice the flair player and pump it long more often, but against QPR, at home, given our form and the chomping of the bit of say Ben Arfa? Its cowardly and sums Pardew up. He's a percentages man in the same way Allardyce was, only he frills it up or tries to with his bolder words and bolder statements. The way he has mismanaged Ben Arfa has been shocking. Take today for example, just by not selecting him from the start he put a near 50,000 strong crowd on a downer before a ball had been kicked, a crowd that the vast majority would have witsnessed said player scoring a wonder goal a week prior. Pardew was to blame for the flat atmosphere from the off, which is ironic as he likes to think we are indeed his 12th man. Don't get me wrong, Pardew has done some very good things here and overall, as the results show, he has been doing a very good job, but things could be so much better and while it seems a tad rude toexpect more given the circumstances, why not expect more given what we can clearly see in our team, i.e. a very good side certainly on a par with Liverpool and indeed a side that could well take afvantage of an average Arsenal and Chelsea side with a bit more positivity in our attacking play and a bit more trust with our best attacking player. It boils my piss to see us hoof the ball at any given time. This is the antithesis of keeping the ball and basically plays into the opposition's hands. Against QPR we should be playing football and had we, we would have beaten them comfortably thus given the players more confidence, the fans more bleieve and sending out a clear message to those around us that this Newcastle is more than a workmanlike side. It isn't rocket science and I know Pardew knows this but he is trying to be too clever and although its working for him at the moment it will slap him hard in the face soon. He thinks he's Mourinho. he thinks he can use Ben Arfa sparingly because he's so good at management, whoever he plays instead will follow his instructions and help achieve the requiried results. He's a hypocrite becaue he defends the whoeful Obertan to the hilt and keeps selecting him yet refuses to start Ben Arfa who in one game (Blackburn) did more than Obertan has done in his whole career. What does he do? Plays Ryan fucking Taylor on the right at home to QPR. Pardwe needs to ditch the long ball tactics, start trusting his players more and start selecting the right players in the right positions because pretty soon luck will run out, teams will out play us as QPR did for large parts today and really punish as. As Norwich did, Swansea, West Brom and an extremely woeful Liverpool side did. Not as woeful as were were mind. That is twice against QPR we have performed abslutely pathetic and its not on, not when we have such good footballers. If we were a team of cloggers yes, but we have some really fine footballers such as Cabaye, Ben Arfa, even Best showed he's far more of a footballer today than a target man or a lump up front. Mind I can't fault the way we are set up defensively in terms of shape and discipline but tactically by hoofing it and not keeping the ball more and better, we will always invite the other team onto the ball and thus creating chances against us which QPR did aplenty and a better side or a better finisher in their ranks, would have saw us beaten. To try and kill the game after 70 minutes is cowardly too. Pardew speaks a good game in terms of the 'yeah we will go out to beat them and to pick up three points hom or away' type mantra he spews forth but his team selections and tactics suggest a cautious, percentages man who doesn't quite trust his players or rather someone who doesn't quite know how to utilise a footballer, something he as a player was not... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocker Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 Find it highly amusing people are having a moan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 How many goals did we have on the pitch when Best went off? None. I don't blame him for shutting up shop. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 I agree broadly, not quite as harsh on him, but he needs to take the blame for some of the hoofing that has happened, and his Ben Arfa treatment has been odd. I think we have played fine footy but he seems to be reliant on 4-4-2 style too much, not that it's not unsuitable a lot, but when we need to compete in midfield having a player linking mid to attack really helps. He deserves some credit for our defence functioning often pretty faultlessly however, and I think some of the hoofing has been caused by defective wingers, Obertan being s*** and Jonas either s*** or just defending. His own fault since Ben Arfa does fine there really. I also think Cabaye has been such a great signing, and he's got things spot on quite a lot so he has plenty of slack, overall think he's done a good job. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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