Jayson Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 Today wasn't the game for Barfa. N'Zog always fancies it against us and he needed to either be marshalled or forced back through pace. Although one paced Raylor has a fantastic delivery on, let him put balls in the box and the strikers will score and we did. Pardew's done a superb job and the results have been excellent. Sometimes I wish some of our fans would stfu. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 As if people are actually criticising the decision to send on Cisse Aye, we should have gone with Shola and sent Cisse on during the 90th minute to hold the ball in the corner for our 1-1 draw. I've just had a quick look and can't find anybody who thinks Cisse shouldn't have come on. Who are these people? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 HTT pretty spot on I'm a big fan of Pardew but it's pretty clear he just threw Cisse on today with little or no tactical decision making, and thought "fuck it, let's see what happens" Eh? He was the only choice. WTF are you on about. Pardew stated that he had intended to swap Best for Cisse at the 60 minute mark but he was forced to go early because of the injury. There was no "chuck him on and see what happens". If you hate Pardew, that's fine, but don't make up senseless shite to try and support your position... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shak Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 Yeah Pilko, explain yourself you cunt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 As if people are actually criticising the decision to send on Cisse Aye, we should have gone with Shola and sent Cisse on during the 90th minute to hold the ball in the corner for our 1-1 draw. Who's criticising the decision like? You intimated that Pardew just threw on Cisse without any consideration. Bearing in mind the alternative was Shola, what else was he supposed to do? Cisse's played with Demba before and Shola's been utterly gash in the last three games. It wasn't really the game for Ben Arfa today, Obertan looks wank behind the striker - what else was Pardew meant to do? It was absolutely the correct thing to do bringing on Cisse straight away. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 As if people are actually criticising the decision to send on Cisse Aye, we should have gone with Shola and sent Cisse on during the 90th minute to hold the ball in the corner for our 1-1 draw. I've just had a quick look and can't find anybody who thinks Cisse shouldn't have come on. Who are these people? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 I might get laughed at here but if we were to switch Santon to right-back, buy a top-class left-back, get S. Taylor back into the side fit and performing like he was and get the very best out of Ben Arfa, and man for man I believe we'd have a better 11 than Liverpool and Arsenal and would seriously compete with Man Utd and Chelsea starting 11 wise. We have that good a nucleus of a side. But our football is miles behind those sides, miles behind, miles behind even Liverpool who we are above. We have the players, the ability, but we lack the philopshy and the tactics and of course the right selection and that's down to Pardew. I believe with our players and the nucleus of the side, we are on the very edge of something good. We have a window of opportunity to close the gap massively. If we were to finish 4th we would be able to keep our best players and be able to sign more good players due to the huge money that would come our way, were we to qualify for the CL proper. We are 5th and I'd hate to think that right now everyone concerned with NUFC would accept that when 4th is acheievable. All we need to do is start playing more football, trust our better players and start playing our better players. To play Ryan Taylor wide right ahead of Ben Arfa at home to Villa? Howay. That's like playing Shola ahead of Ba. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 WTF are you on about. Pardew stated that he had intended to swap Best for Cisse at the 60 minute mark but he was forced to go early because of the injury. There was no "chuck him on and see what happens". If you hate Pardew, that's fine, but don't make up senseless s**** to try and support your position... I'm a big fan of Pardew My first 6 words Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 WTF are you on about. Pardew stated that he had intended to swap Best for Cisse at the 60 minute mark but he was forced to go early because of the injury. There was no "chuck him on and see what happens". If you hate Pardew, that's fine, but don't make up senseless s**** to try and support your position... I'm not sure Rocker hates Pardew, I can only remember him sticking up for him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 As if people are actually criticising the decision to send on Cisse Aye, we should have gone with Shola and sent Cisse on during the 90th minute to hold the ball in the corner for our 1-1 draw. Who's criticising the decision like? You intimated that Pardew just threw on Cisse without any consideration. Bearing in mind the alternative was Shola, what else was he supposed to do? Cisse's played with Demba before and Shola's been utterly gash in the last three games. It wasn't really the game for Ben Arfa today, Obertan looks w*** behind the striker - what else was Pardew meant to do? It was absolutely the correct thing to do bringing on Cisse straight away. I err agree. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 http://i.imgur.com/xK9QL.png Love Pardew me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 WTF are you on about. Pardew stated that he had intended to swap Best for Cisse at the 60 minute mark but he was forced to go early because of the injury. There was no "chuck him on and see what happens". If you hate Pardew, that's fine, but don't make up senseless s**** to try and support your position... I'm not sure Rocker hates Pardew, I can only remember him sticking up for him. Nah - it was JH claiming that Pardew threw on Cisse with little or no tactical consideration. That makes no sense in light of Pardew's stated intention to put him on at the 60 minute mark. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 You still said that Pardew didn't have a clue what he was doing with it, though. That's absolute tripe imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 You still said that Pardew didn't have a clue what he was doing with it, though. That's absolute tripe imo. I just thought it was a chuck him on and see what happens, rather than a 60 minute master-stroke move that had been brought forward half an hour. He just took a risk and it paid off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 I don't feel his "treatment" of HBA is malicious in any sense. Overly cautious maybe. With two subs off for injury already he might not have wanted to risk him in a game where villa were harrying and pressing hard? I dunno. I'm sure he has his reasons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 WTF are you on about. Pardew stated that he had intended to swap Best for Cisse at the 60 minute mark but he was forced to go early because of the injury. There was no "chuck him on and see what happens". If you hate Pardew, that's fine, but don't make up senseless s**** to try and support your position... I'm a big fan of Pardew My first 6 words That is meaningless in light of you next comment. It's like saying. I'm a big fan of chocolate except for all of the chocolate taste. It like it just decides to be chocolatey without any consideration for flavour. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 WTF are you on about. Pardew stated that he had intended to swap Best for Cisse at the 60 minute mark but he was forced to go early because of the injury. There was no "chuck him on and see what happens". If you hate Pardew, that's fine, but don't make up senseless s**** to try and support your position... I'm a big fan of Pardew My first 6 words That is meaningless in light of you next comment. It's like saying. I'm a big fan of chocolate except for all of the chocolate taste. It like it just decides to be chocolatey without any consideration for flavour. Impossible to read that last line in anything other than Alan Partridge's voice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 WTF are you on about. Pardew stated that he had intended to swap Best for Cisse at the 60 minute mark but he was forced to go early because of the injury. There was no "chuck him on and see what happens". If you hate Pardew, that's fine, but don't make up senseless s**** to try and support your position... I'm a big fan of Pardew My first 6 words That is meaningless in light of you next comment. It's like saying. I'm a big fan of chocolate except for all of the chocolate taste. It like it just decides to be chocolatey without any consideration for flavour. What a load of tripe Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 I might get laughed at here but if we were to switch Santon to right-back, buy a top-class left-back, get S. Taylor back into the side fit and performing like he was and get the very best out of Ben Arfa, and man for man I believe we'd have a better 11 than Liverpool and Arsenal and would seriously compete with Man Utd and Chelsea starting 11 wise. We have that good a nucleus of a side. But our football is miles behind those sides, miles behind, miles behind even Liverpool who we are above. We have the players, the ability, but we lack the philopshy and the tactics and of course the right selection and that's down to Pardew. I believe with our players and the nucleus of the side, we are on the very edge of something good. We have a window of opportunity to close the gap massively. If we were to finish 4th we would be able to keep our best players and be able to sign more good players due to the huge money that would come our way, were we to qualify for the CL proper. We are 5th and I'd hate to think that right now everyone concerned with NUFC would accept that when 4th is acheievable. All we need to do is start playing more football, trust our better players and start playing our better players. To play Ryan Taylor wide right ahead of Ben Arfa at home to Villa? Howay. That's like playing Shola ahead of Ba. Agree with the first part. The rest is pointlessly negatively biased against Pardew. We lack the tactics? 5 CS from 8 games before today? We lack the right selection? Pardew replaced Ben Arfa with a guy who helped us win the game, which you then complain about afterwards. He is the single reason we have bought both of the lads who scored goals for us today & much of the rest of the side has improved. Yet i still sense little but "this could be done better" from all of your posts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoveItIfWeBeatU Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 Today wasn't a game suited to Ben Arfa. If we'd been chasing the game and hadn't used up our substitutes I would have imagined Ben Arfa would have come on. Ben Arfa can create something out of nothing but he also loses the ball quite often. With Aston Villa hitting us on the break with pace it would have been very risky to have Ben Arfa on, especially when his ball retention isn't great. As for Pardew, keep up the good work! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 I might get laughed at here but if we were to switch Santon to right-back, buy a top-class left-back, get S. Taylor back into the side fit and performing like he was and get the very best out of Ben Arfa, and man for man I believe we'd have a better 11 than Liverpool and Arsenal and would seriously compete with Man Utd and Chelsea starting 11 wise. We have that good a nucleus of a side. But our football is miles behind those sides, miles behind, miles behind even Liverpool who we are above. We have the players, the ability, but we lack the philopshy and the tactics and of course the right selection and that's down to Pardew. I believe with our players and the nucleus of the side, we are on the very edge of something good. We have a window of opportunity to close the gap massively. If we were to finish 4th we would be able to keep our best players and be able to sign more good players due to the huge money that would come our way, were we to qualify for the CL proper. We are 5th and I'd hate to think that right now everyone concerned with NUFC would accept that when 4th is acheievable. All we need to do is start playing more football, trust our better players and start playing our better players. To play Ryan Taylor wide right ahead of Ben Arfa at home to Villa? Howay. That's like playing Shola ahead of Ba. I agree with the gist of this, although I realise it sounds like we are picking faults for the sake of it because at the end of the day it's hard to argue with results. I would love to see what we would look like with another full back like David Santon in the side as the difference he has made to our football is pretty significant. I thought tooj had a point as well about we have the players to play a similar game to Swansea, but that needs work on the training field for a manager to build the side's pass and move philosophy. Maybe with Tiote and Cabaye back in the team we'll be able to see it take shape. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 I don't completely agree with his current footballing philosophy, I don't think he's getting the very best out of the team, I don't like the way he's treated HBA, I find his cautiousness incredibly frustrating at times but I simply have to applaud him in the end, as he's getting fantastic results and has made the season memorable. Well done Pards. yeah i think we're a bit lucky Best got injured. And Raylor to an extent, as though Obertan was mostly crap he did inject a bit of pace into our game. Similar thing happened with Ben Arfa vs QPR. Would like Pardew to be a bit braver in his decisions from now on rather than letting circumstance or luck (good and bad) dictate the difficult decisions. He's certainly not as ballsy as he once was but I think he's simply stumbled onto a formula that's gotten results and has stuck with it. We could definitely still have gotten the results we have, playing some more expansive football and that is frustrating but ultimately hard to argue against. I'd like him to play Ben Arfa in a 4-4-2 to supply the 2 lads up top, I think it would work a treat, especially at home but I doubt we'll ever see that. Dont see how thats definate atall. For all any of us know Pardew has been getting the best out of what he currently has available. Ben Arfa is a class player, but he is up and down at the moment & his replacement today helped us score a goal in a game we won by a single goal. Its all wishful thinking when people argue with Pardews decisions and style of play. Utilised the best they can? We have numerous players in our squad that have been brought up with a specific footballing philosophy, a lot of them have played in teams that were based around pass and move and performed very well indeed (some of them championship winning sides or ones in European competition). You're telling me out of the likes of: Coloccini, Santon, Jonas, Tiote, Cabaye, Guthrie, Ben Arfa and Ba, we couldn't have got some efficient pass and move going? Some proper movement and fluidity between the front 5/6? Successful play built through midfield? It's a bit shit watching these guys who've played in far more technical leagues, for far more technical teams, hoofing the ball around, when they could be so much more. Who's to say that if we'd gone for a more attacking line up today, we might have won by 3 goals, instead of scrapping with just 1? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 Today wasn't a game suited to Ben Arfa. If we'd been chasing the game and hadn't used up our substitutes I would have imagined Ben Arfa would have come on. Ben Arfa can create something out of nothing but he also loses the ball quite often. With Aston Villa hitting us on the break with pace it would have been very risky to have Ben Arfa on, especially when his ball retention isn't great. As for Pardew, keep up the good work! I get the feeling Pards is a lot more comfortable with the idea of Ben Arfa being on the pitch when one or both of Tiote/Cabaye is behind him for precisely that reason. Like you say he's capable of individual moments but he's going to shine with players who show for the ball and make space better than, with all due respect, guthrie and perchy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 I might get laughed at here but if we were to switch Santon to right-back, buy a top-class left-back, get S. Taylor back into the side fit and performing like he was and get the very best out of Ben Arfa, and man for man I believe we'd have a better 11 than Liverpool and Arsenal and would seriously compete with Man Utd and Chelsea starting 11 wise. We have that good a nucleus of a side. But our football is miles behind those sides, miles behind, miles behind even Liverpool who we are above. We have the players, the ability, but we lack the philopshy and the tactics and of course the right selection and that's down to Pardew. I believe with our players and the nucleus of the side, we are on the very edge of something good. We have a window of opportunity to close the gap massively. If we were to finish 4th we would be able to keep our best players and be able to sign more good players due to the huge money that would come our way, were we to qualify for the CL proper. We are 5th and I'd hate to think that right now everyone concerned with NUFC would accept that when 4th is acheievable. All we need to do is start playing more football, trust our better players and start playing our better players. To play Ryan Taylor wide right ahead of Ben Arfa at home to Villa? Howay. That's like playing Shola ahead of Ba. Agree with the first part. The rest is pointlessly negatively biased against Pardew. We lack the tactics? 5 CS from 8 games before today? We lack the right selection? Pardew replaced Ben Arfa with a guy who helped us win the game, which you then complain about afterwards. He is the single reason we have bought both of the lads who scored goals for us today & much of the rest of the side has improved. Yet i still sense little but "this could be done better" from all of your posts. If he played Ben Arfa and Cisse from the start the crowd would have been jumping before a ball was kicked, that initself would have giving us an advantage. Outside of that, I believe with those two starting we would have ran them raggid from the start and would have went on to win comfortably rather than hanging on which is what we did. The last 10 minutues were nail bitinggly hard to endure yet we could have made it far easier for ourselves. Anyway, for me, Pardew's biggest problems lie with tactics, he's bascially not very good in this critical area, and his football philopshies which will mean for us that the likes of Ben Arfa will see less action than the likes of Ryan Taylor. I guarantee McLiesh was far happier to see Taylor playing than Ben Arfa, and N'Zogbia too. As for signing players, he has no real say on who we sign, he will have a say on what position needs strengthened but not who we sign. Lastly given our position I know my criticisms will seem a tad churlish and extreme given where we are at but when I see such a talented bunch of plauers play basically shitty long ball footy and see bad tactics and team selections on a regular basis, I won't like, these things alarma me and massively so. If we were a car we'd look good but dont drive half as well as we look. Tune things up however.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest gggg Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 Just read the first few pages, laughable really. Would be no different if we sacked Pardew and appointed Phil Brown. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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