geordie jamie Posted July 10, 2011 Share Posted July 10, 2011 Not signing according to Sunday Sun. Pardew wants but clubs hierarchy doesnt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
junkhead Posted July 10, 2011 Share Posted July 10, 2011 Not signing according to Sunday Sun. Pardew wants but clubs hierarchy doesnt. No surprise. Marveaux is an identical player and 10mil is too much for somebody who was on our books a couple of years ago. Jonas, Marveaux, Ben Arfa, Barton, Ferguson is a decent enough pool to choose from Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David28 Posted July 10, 2011 Share Posted July 10, 2011 Not signing according to Sunday Sun. Pardew wants but clubs hierarchy doesnt. No surprise. Marveaux is an identical player and 10mil is too much for somebody who was on our books a couple of years ago. Jonas, Marveaux, Ben Arfa, Barton, Ferguson is a decent enough pool to choose from This. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punk77 Posted July 10, 2011 Share Posted July 10, 2011 Not signing according to Sunday Sun. Pardew wants but clubs hierarchy doesnt. No surprise. Marveaux is an identical player and 10mil is too much for somebody who was on our books a couple of years ago. Jonas, Marveaux, Ben Arfa, Barton, Ferguson is a decent enough pool to choose from This. True..I would love a return of the Zog. But on the other hand, there are other departments that needs to be strengthened first. We need one or two strikers, and a better RB. Imo, Simpson is not good enough. He's had some good games, eg against Arsenal, but he doesn't have the offensive skills needed in todays football. He's not able to dribble at all. And his defending has been suspect too. In all honesty, he should install a reverse lamp on the back of his jersey. He's an ideal squad player though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted July 10, 2011 Share Posted July 10, 2011 Utter madness from the club. Cannot understand this at all. Will understand it even less when he signs for someone else for a reasonable price. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punk77 Posted July 10, 2011 Share Posted July 10, 2011 I think we'll sign him if a reasonable price can be agreed. But MA has shown before that he's not the kind of person that surrenders to blackmail. But he went to Villa for £4-5 mill and I afterwards found out that we didn't even lodge a similar bid, I'll be pissed. He's deffo worth that. But £9-10 mill is too much. because we need strengthening in other areas too.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 10, 2011 Share Posted July 10, 2011 It's looking more and more likely we cooled on this the moment we signed Marveaux and Barton said he was staying. Only other way I could see us going back for him now is if Jonas left. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmk Posted July 10, 2011 Share Posted July 10, 2011 I think we'll sign him if a reasonable price can be agreed. But MA has shown before that he's not the kind of person that surrenders to blackmail. But he went to Villa for £4-5 mill and I afterwards found out that we didn't even lodge a similar bid, I'll be pissed. He's deffo worth that. But £9-10 mill is too much. because we need strengthening in other areas too.. 4-5m? Why on earth would he go for 4-5m? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punk77 Posted July 10, 2011 Share Posted July 10, 2011 I think we'll sign him if a reasonable price can be agreed. But MA has shown before that he's not the kind of person that surrenders to blackmail. But he went to Villa for £4-5 mill and I afterwards found out that we didn't even lodge a similar bid, I'll be p*ssed. He's deffo worth that. But £9-10 mill is too much. because we need strengthening in other areas too.. 4-5m? Why on earth would he go for 4-5m? Because he's free to negotiate with foreign clubs in only five months. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted July 10, 2011 Share Posted July 10, 2011 As fans, I've noticed a lot more comments along the lines recently of "I'd not be happy paying that much for potential incoming player" or "£xmillion for potential outgoing player is a great deal." Why do we care? Its the clubs money after all, it's affecting none of our wallets. As long as we're not going ridiculous like Jordan Henderson esque deals, frankly I'm not arsed if we would be paying over the odds. Sometimes you have to do it if you want the player and that's something that Ashley has never grasped and will never bend to. Its an overly rigid policy that will more often than not see targets slip through the net whilst we settle for third of forth choices. As for outgoing deals, it doesn't really matter if we got £2million or £12million for someone like Routledge. It doesnt affect one bit our spending so any incoming money is almost irrelevant. I've been saying this for yonks, only to be effectively accused of wanting the club to go under. Did I not see you post in another thread that you would hate to be like Man City or Chelsea? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted July 10, 2011 Share Posted July 10, 2011 Yes, and? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiLvOR Posted July 10, 2011 Share Posted July 10, 2011 All those new pages, I thought he'd signed. Fuck sakes. Once again we have a gamble by the club, getting in Marveaux on the cheap who's unproven vs getting in Insomnia who's proven but costly (in Ashley's eyes). That's how I see it anyway, so just have to see if it's a gamble that works. I'm not overly fussed we haven't/don't appear to be landing Zog tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Haris Vuckic Posted July 10, 2011 Share Posted July 10, 2011 I doubt we'll go for him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted July 10, 2011 Share Posted July 10, 2011 Yes, and? Do you not see how it's a tad hypocritical to say that you don't want to spend megamoney like them and then say that we shouldn't care how much we spend on players? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted July 10, 2011 Share Posted July 10, 2011 Where does it actually say that we won't be going for him? The Sunday Sun article just says that Pardew wants him but the club don't. Two things... who's to say that's true, and who's to say that means we won't go in for him at some point? Clutching at straws here but it doesn't even say that. Boss Alan Pardew was keen also to bring Charles N’Zogbia back to Newcastle, but the deal appears not to have suited United’s hierarchy. That reads to me as if the writer simply thinks he's going elsewhere and therefore we can't have been interested, despite Pardew implying different. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted July 10, 2011 Share Posted July 10, 2011 We go for Marveaux. Marveaux chooses to sign for Liverpool. We go for N'Zogbia, wait a bit because the price is exorbitant (£3m extra for not being in Europe). Marveaux decides he wants to sign for us instead. We sign Marveaux. No more interest in N'Zogbia. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggio Posted July 10, 2011 Share Posted July 10, 2011 Fingers crossed we can shift Barton and that opens the door for either N'Zogbia or Barnetta to come in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted July 10, 2011 Share Posted July 10, 2011 Yes, and? Do you not see how it's a tad hypocritical to say that you don't want to spend megamoney like them and then say that we shouldn't care how much we spend on players? If you read the post I agreed with, it clearly states the caveat that I wouldn't want us to go mental buying mediocre players for stupid money and so on. They go way too far with spending money just for the sake of it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted July 10, 2011 Share Posted July 10, 2011 Fingers crossed we can shift Barton and that opens the door for either N'Zogbia or Barnetta to come in. By the time Barton is shifted (if he is shifted) I would expect Zog will have moved to Villa or some other club. I just hope Marveaux will turn out to be a success to offset the loss of Zog to a rival. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted July 10, 2011 Share Posted July 10, 2011 When it says the club don't want him, that's not in the same way they apparently ruled out Cole and Sidwell - they don't want him at the fee/wages they'd have to pay right now. It's not a question of the powers that be simply saying "nah he's rubbish". I'm absolutely certain that should the fee come down if he hasn't moved towards the end of the window, or he drops his wage demands (whatever the main stumbling block is in the eyes of Ashley), we'll be in for him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted July 10, 2011 Share Posted July 10, 2011 Yes, and? Do you not see how it's a tad hypocritical to say that you don't want to spend megamoney like them and then say that we shouldn't care how much we spend on players? If you read the post I agreed with, it clearly states the caveat that I wouldn't want us to go mental buying mediocre players for stupid money and so on. They go way too far with spending money just for the sake of it. To be perfectly honest, I stopped reading the post after the first paragraph. Still though, would you be comfortable spending mental money if it was buying good players? Cause that's what City are doing at the moment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
junkhead Posted July 10, 2011 Share Posted July 10, 2011 Fingers crossed we can shift Barton and that opens the door for either N'Zogbia or Barnetta to come in. Barton is a lot better than Barnetta for me.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted July 10, 2011 Share Posted July 10, 2011 Yes, and? Do you not see how it's a tad hypocritical to say that you don't want to spend megamoney like them and then say that we shouldn't care how much we spend on players? If you read the post I agreed with, it clearly states the caveat that I wouldn't want us to go mental buying mediocre players for stupid money and so on. They go way too far with spending money just for the sake of it. To be perfectly honest, I stopped reading the post after the first paragraph. Still though, would you be comfortable spending mental money if it was buying good players? Cause that's what City are doing at the moment. Some of the fees and wages they're paying out are obscene, even when they're getting good players. The Tevez situation has been an absolute farce, and he's their best player. They don't give a shite about who they upset, they don't have any commitment to bringing through any players of their own, and they are willing to buy players they don't even need just to stop others buying them. There's no comparison to us whatsoever. This is what I was on about when I mentioned not being arsed about the finances apparently means I want us to go out of business. I know full well there are limitations, I just don't believe we are anywhere near them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punk77 Posted July 10, 2011 Share Posted July 10, 2011 Fingers crossed we can shift Barton and that opens the door for either N'Zogbia or Barnetta to come in. Barton is a lot better than Barnetta for me.. Barton lost some of his mojo after Carroll left. He's better as a CM. But in that particular area, we're solid. I got no problems with sacrificing Barton in order to buy Zog. The latter will give us much more pace and punch on the right side. On the other hand we lose Barton's abilities to distribute the ball. But again, we have Cabaye to distribute balls now.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted July 10, 2011 Share Posted July 10, 2011 Cabaye can distribute my balls all he likes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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