BONTEMPI Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 He's about 4th choice this lad, he's simply not got enough about him to start games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 4th choice behind who? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BONTEMPI Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 4th choice behind who? People who we can bring in that are much better. Are you not bored of sucking average footballers cocks by now ronnie? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 Ah, right. 4th choice behind the players we haven't bought yet. Outstanding. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorJ_01 Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 Don't think we really need Best starting. Perfectly adequate squad player however and should get plenty game time. I think we are starting to see our players limitations after the initial patch of good form. That's nothing against them, more Pardew's failure to realise and address the issue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 Ah, right. 4th choice behind the players we haven't bought yet. Outstanding. Ba is outstanding so I know you don't doubt that he's ahead of Best. I'd rather play Ben Arfa before Best but Ben Arfa can probably take Obertan out of the team to better effect. After last night I'd play Vuckic before Best, it may or may not work but Best isn't doing anything to keep his place. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 Ah, right. 4th choice behind the players we haven't bought yet. Outstanding. Ba is outstanding so I know you don't doubt that he's ahead of Best. I'd rather play Ben Arfa before Best but Ben Arfa can probably take Obertan out of the team to better effect. After last night I'd play Vuckic before Best, it may or may not work but Best isn't doing anything to keep his place. I'd go that way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BONTEMPI Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 Ah, right. 4th choice behind the players we haven't bought yet. Outstanding. So we can't do better then in your eyes? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Haris Vuckic Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 I don't think Best was the problem yesterday - if they are going to sit there & hump long balls up to him constantly when it's obviously not working what can he do? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 I don't think Best was the problem yesterday - if they are going to sit there & hump long balls up to him constantly when it's obviously not working what can he do? Tell the players he doesn't want long balls. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 Currently looks like he could be on the fields for weeks on end and not get a sniff of a chance. That's because his off the ball movement is average at best. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Haris Vuckic Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 I don't think Best was the problem yesterday - if they are going to sit there & hump long balls up to him constantly when it's obviously not working what can he do? Tell the players he doesn't want long balls. Seemed to be a Pardew thing by my reckoning. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpal78 Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 What this about Ronaldo saying that if we play HBA then we won't win against Swansea and now we should stick to the Best & Ba combo? Well we tried the said combination both against Swansea and WBA who let's face it we should be beating especially at home and it didn't work. So please stuff this tried and tested argument back to where it belongs, it's not working lately and time for a change. If Pardew insist that HBA for some weird reason can't play on the wing, then he should play behind Ba. Best can be 3rd choice or maybe 4th depending on which Ameobi decides to turn up on a particulat given day. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 I don't think Best was the problem yesterday - if they are going to sit there & hump long balls up to him constantly when it's obviously not working what can he do? Tell the players he doesn't want long balls. Seemed to be a Pardew thing by my reckoning. Perch is the worst culprit mind. Never seen a single footballer hit the ball as long as he did. Think thats another thing missed by Saylor is that he liked to run with the ball and play it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 Aye, even though Saylor is a no-nonsense defender he actually likes to move the ball on the floor, and takes responsibility for doing it too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 Aye, even though Saylor is a no-nonsense defender he actually likes to move the ball on the floor, and takes responsibility for doing it too. Aye, that's great when lovewillneverdie (TPFKA "White Cafu") does it at right back, but when he's charging through the middle of the pitch, he's leaving a massive gap behind him (our fullbacks are primarily pushing forward at home). Anyways, back on topic, Best doesn't look match fit/sharp. However, Ba plays better (and scores more) when there's another big unit up alongside him (Shola or Best) - really need those two to be pushing each other for form and fitness to get into the side. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Haris Vuckic Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 I don't think Best was the problem yesterday - if they are going to sit there & hump long balls up to him constantly when it's obviously not working what can he do? Tell the players he doesn't want long balls. Seemed to be a Pardew thing by my reckoning. Perch is the worst culprit mind. Never seen a single footballer hit the ball as long as he did. Think thats another thing missed by Saylor is that he liked to run with the ball and play it. Yeh - Coloccini is the king of running with it mind! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 The wider problem is that our three main strikers – Ba, Best and Shola – are all basically centre forward types, strong but not quick, and when we play two together our style does get a bit restricted. If HBA isn’t the answer, we need a different type of striker to add a bit of variety to our play. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 He did alright in the first half I thought, did the simple things well. His touch deserted him in the second though, his workrate dropped right off and he looked fucked. Did one great bit of skill if I remember correctly, did a Maradona turn past two of their players, was quite surprised seeing him pull it off. Problem was, after that he seemed to be thinking too far ahead and everytime the ball came near him he did fuck all with it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 Aye, even though Saylor is a no-nonsense defender he actually likes to move the ball on the floor, and takes responsibility for doing it too. Aye, that's great when lovewillneverdie (TPFKA "White Cafu") does it at right back, but when he's charging through the middle of the pitch, he's leaving a massive gap behind him (our fullbacks are primarily pushing forward at home). Anyways, back on topic, Best doesn't look match fit/sharp. However, Ba plays better (and scores more) when there's another big unit up alongside him (Shola or Best) - really need those two to be pushing each other for form and fitness to get into the side. Is this based on anything more than a figment of your imagination? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 Aye, even though Saylor is a no-nonsense defender he actually likes to move the ball on the floor, and takes responsibility for doing it too. Aye, that's great when lovewillneverdie (TPFKA "White Cafu") does it at right back, but when he's charging through the middle of the pitch, he's leaving a massive gap behind him (our fullbacks are primarily pushing forward at home). Anyways, back on topic, Best doesn't look match fit/sharp. However, Ba plays better (and scores more) when there's another big unit up alongside him (Shola or Best) - really need those two to be pushing each other for form and fitness to get into the side. Is this based on anything more than a figment of your imagination? Am I right in thinking the only time he has started a game with HBA behind him is Man City, Man U, Chelsea and Blackburn in the cup, when we rested quite a few players in our first XI? Bit early to say whether he looks better with a 'unit' next to him or not I think, although in fairness he does like to drop deep to link the play. He would look better up top on his own if we didn't insist on hoofing it long all the time and actually tried to play it on the deck. He's not great with his back to goal trying to play the Heskey/Best role. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 Am I right in thinking the only time he has started a game with HBA behind him is Man City, Man U, Chelsea and Blackburn in the cup, when we rested quite a few players in our first XI? Bit early to say whether he looks better with a 'unit' next to him or not I think, although in fairness he does like to drop deep to link the play. He would look better up top on his own if we didn't insist on hoofing it long all the time and actually tried to play it on the deck. He's not great with his back to goal trying to play the Heskey/Best role. I think that's a bit unfair, against Swansea he played well and got shots on target from crazy positions when he started with his back to goal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 Doing a laughable disservice to Ba to suggest that he needs another big bloke on the field to be able to lash in a HBA reverse pass, or whack a free kick into the top corner, or kill a lofted pass from Cabaye stone dead before sliding it under the goalkeeper. Have you heard yourselves? Or actually opened your eyes and watched him play? The bloke could play up top with me every week and still come away with a brace, he does not crave the aura of Leon Best. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpal78 Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 Doing a laughable disservice to Ba to suggest that he needs another big bloke on the field to be able to lash in a HBA reverse pass, or whack a free kick into the top corner, or kill a lofted pass from Cabaye stone dead before sliding it under the goalkeeper. Have you heard yourselves? Or actually opened your eyes and watched him play? The bloke could play up top with me every week and still come away with a brace, he does not crave the aura of Leon Best. Spot on Wullie! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 Aye, even though Saylor is a no-nonsense defender he actually likes to move the ball on the floor, and takes responsibility for doing it too. Aye, that's great when lovewillneverdie (TPFKA "White Cafu") does it at right back, but when he's charging through the middle of the pitch, he's leaving a massive gap behind him (our fullbacks are primarily pushing forward at home). Anyways, back on topic, Best doesn't look match fit/sharp. However, Ba plays better (and scores more) when there's another big unit up alongside him (Shola or Best) - really need those two to be pushing each other for form and fitness to get into the side. Is this based on anything more than a figment of your imagination? Am I right in thinking the only time he has started a game with HBA behind him is Man City, Man U, Chelsea and Blackburn in the cup, when we rested quite a few players in our first XI? Bit early to say whether he looks better with a 'unit' next to him or not I think, although in fairness he does like to drop deep to link the play. He would look better up top on his own if we didn't insist on hoofing it long all the time and actually tried to play it on the deck. He's not great with his back to goal trying to play the Heskey/Best role. Football has long moved on from the requirement of needing a "big unit" to lead the line, even in England. I can really only think of Chelsea (Drogba) who have a dominating centre forward. Most if not all of the other top teams in England and around Europe now prefer pace and technique over brute force. Mostly this consists of pairing a goal scoring forward who moves around and uses technique to bring other players in to play as well as score goals themselves (Van Persie being a prime example) and an attacking midfielder just behind to spread the play and get into goalscoring positions too by attempting long shots and getting in the box late (the Rooney type). They have wingers to run at the defense with pace as soon as they capture the ball from the opposition and stick the ball in the danger area (mostly low as opposed to high crosses). In theory, we have all the ingredients to make such a system work. Ba would be our roaming forward, HBA (or Vuckic if he continues his progress) are perfect for the support role. We have two pacey wingers who need to be instructed to just run at pace when breaking and stick the ball in the box, and we have the holding midfielders in Tiote and Cabaye to control and build up the play. I could understand our insistence on a powerhouse forward if we had a world class player of this ilk (like Chelsea do with Drogba), but we don't. We're effectively building our team and the way we play around two average, old fashioned forwards in Best and Ba. Pardew really needs to buck up his ideas if we want to be going places and use the squad we have to its real strengths. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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