Guest bondedcrown Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 Use use the rugby league model and put the incident on report to review later ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Slippery Sam Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 This defence that they can't do anything because the referee saw it is such a load of s***. They didn't let that stop them with Ben Thatcher and once precedent has been set, they can't go back on it and keep peddling that as an excuse. The FA can ask the ref to review the decision. It is then up to the ref to decide if what action he took was appropriate. This is exactly what happened in the Thatcher case you mention. So, this Rooney business absolutely stinks as, without any doubt, it is either the FA or Clattenburg being shit scared to offend Manchester United. End of. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AliGupter Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 To be fair to Clattenburg he didn't have a great angle, so he could have easily said that he didn't see the elbow (which I don't think he did). He didn't though, and has lied to The FA. The FA can give Rooney a punishment if they really want to, but they can keep bringing out the filth that they do, to make it easy for them. He hasn't lied to FA, he said that he took appropriate action based on what he saw at the time. I don't think he's allowed to say "based on what I've since seen on TV I've changed my mind" is he? I thought the appropriate action thing was based on what he thought he saw at the time. Yes, then The FA can judge whether the action was appropriate with the help of TV replays, with the advice of the referee I believe. The fact that he told The FA today that he felt he took the appropriate actions says to me that was some kind of review. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 It's just another case whereby the FA choose not to act because their referee saw and acted upon the incident. Just goes to show how stupid a rule it is. Yep, didn't the referee have a word with Barton when he punched that player in the stomach?, the FA still acted afterwards and banned him. Just another example of them using the rules to best suit their agenda. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 The referee definitely had a word with Barton. They're as bent as fuck. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 To be fair to Clattenburg he didn't have a great angle, so he could have easily said that he didn't see the elbow (which I don't think he did). He didn't though, and has lied to The FA. The FA can give Rooney a punishment if they really want to, but they can keep bringing out the filth that they do, to make it easy for them. He hasn't lied to FA, he said that he took appropriate action based on what he saw at the time. I don't think he's allowed to say "based on what I've since seen on TV I've changed my mind" is he? I thought the appropriate action thing was based on what he thought he saw at the time. Yes, then The FA can judge whether the action was appropriate with the help of TV replays, with the advice of the referee I believe. The fact that he told The FA today that he felt he took the appropriate actions says to me that was some kind of review. I don't think the FA decide whether the action was appropriate, I thought that was down to the referee to decide, based on what he thought at the time? If not then sorry, I honestly don't know the letter of the law. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AliGupter Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 To be fair to Clattenburg he didn't have a great angle, so he could have easily said that he didn't see the elbow (which I don't think he did). He didn't though, and has lied to The FA. The FA can give Rooney a punishment if they really want to, but they can keep bringing out the filth that they do, to make it easy for them. He hasn't lied to FA, he said that he took appropriate action based on what he saw at the time. I don't think he's allowed to say "based on what I've since seen on TV I've changed my mind" is he? I thought the appropriate action thing was based on what he thought he saw at the time. Yes, then The FA can judge whether the action was appropriate with the help of TV replays, with the advice of the referee I believe. The fact that he told The FA today that he felt he took the appropriate actions says to me that was some kind of review. I don't think the FA decide whether the action was appropriate, I thought that was down to the referee to decide, based on what he thought at the time? If not then sorry, I honestly don't know the letter of the law. I think they ask the referee, then he basically 'advises' them, and they take his word when it suits them and bring out another excuse when it doesn't. It's clear that the referee did not take the appropriate action and he would have known that when he spoke to The FA today, unless he lives in a cave (County Durham?). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Swift Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 It's not the FA's rule. It's FIFA's rule. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AliGupter Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 It's not the FA's rule. It's FIFA's rule. I'm fairly certain it's not a rule, but a "guideline". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueStar Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 I'm glad he got off, we need to keep the big teams big and make sure the likes of manu have their best players available at all times. Tbf Manu have suffered enough this season, it would be wrong to punish them further. I'm glad he got off because he's my fantasy captain and he's on a double gameweek. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 Article 77 (specific jurisdiction) states: The Disciplinary Committee is responsible for a) sanctioning serious infringements which have escaped the match officials' attention; b) rectifying obvious errors in the referee's disciplinary decisions; c) extending the duration of a match suspension incurred automatically by an expulsion (cf. art 18, par. 4); d) pronouncing additional sanctions, such as a fine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 Well spotted JH, surely the Rooney incident would fall under that section? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 Well spotted JH, surely the Rooney incident would fall under that section? The FA claim this as being "mistaken identity" cases only, but that is the specific wording so in reality, they could overrule any decision they state to be an "obvious error" if they wanted to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 Well spotted JH, surely the Rooney incident would fall under that section? The FA claim this as being "mistaken identity" cases only, but that is the specific wording so in reality, they could overrule any decision they state to be an "obvious error" if they wanted to. Seems incredibly ridiculous if that is one of the main reasons the Disciplinary Committee exists and they're choosing to shy away from it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 Examples: - Ben Thatcher - yellow card for challenge on Pedro Mendes - later banned for eight games. - Saulius Mikoliunas - "dived" to win a penalty in a Euro 2008 qualifier against Scotland - penalty was given but he was later banned for two games. - Kyle Lafferty - went down, pretending to have been headbutted by Charlie Mulgrew - Mulgrew's red card was rescinded and Lafferty was banned for two games. - Milos Krasic - Dived to win a penalty against Bologna - was later banned for two games - "The referee made an error because of a dive by the Juventus player." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 Well spotted JH, surely the Rooney incident would fall under that section? The FA claim this as being "mistaken identity" cases only, but that is the specific wording so in reality, they could overrule any decision they state to be an "obvious error" if they wanted to. Seems incredibly ridiculous if that is one of the main reasons the Disciplinary Committee exists and they're choosing to shy away from it. Exactly. It's also amazing that the FA don't even draw attention to this ruling in these situations, they just refuse to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 I think the current rule makes sense. There's a significant difference between acting on something that the ref hasn't spotted at all, and over-turning his judgement on something that he has seen. The principle of upholding the ref's decision, fallible though it may be, is very important. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinkeye Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 Posthumous probably does mean after death but, I couldn't think of a word that meant after the event or something... Did you not know what I meant? Retrospective or Retrospectively Thanks........ logged for future usage! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 Would you have said the same if he'd fractured the bloke's cheekbone Cronky? The Wigan lad would have solid grounds for a common assault charge as it stands, seeing as the FA refuse to uphold the laws. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Logic Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 I think the current rule makes sense. There's a significant difference between acting on something that the ref hasn't spotted at all, and over-turning his judgement on something that he has seen. The principle of upholding the ref's decision, fallible though it may be, is very important. You concede the fallibility inherent in the process, yet give no reason as to why you think it is important that process is maintained. Given the topic title, subsequent video footage should be one of the areas that empower the FA imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 Good topic for a thread - it's a shambles of a situation with the media having so much control, but fairly typical/predictable of the FA to conduct business this way. Whoever smacked Koscielny around the head (after his/Szczesny's howler) will get away with it as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 Oh, and the principle of upholding the referee's on-the-spot judgement seems like overly-sentimental tosh to me too, IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormy Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 It's not overly-sentimental. It's just an easy cop out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 Well, as long as we agree it's both crap wormy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toon Hoser Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 Surprised the FA didn't suspend Wigan's James McCarthy for 3 games following his vicious headbutt on Rooney's elbow, with the statement "There's no place for that in the sport." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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