Flip Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 It's Henderson's fault as a midfielder that Liverpool are overly reliant on Suarez? How does the success of other players negate Henderson's performance? A midfield-3 of Gerrard-Henderson-Lucas is the strongest Liverpool can put forward, with Coutinho cutting-in from the left, Downing out on the right, and Sturridge up top (assuming Suarez leaves). No it's a midfielders fault for not providing enough support to a striker so a team needs to rely on individual brilliance by this player (weird sentence not sure if it makes sense ). In any case he only started 16 games this season and I think that speaks volumes of his ability. He had trouble to get into the team when everyone was fit. I saw quite a bit of Liverpool, didn't see much tbf but nothing he does impresses me. Against us where he scored 20% of his seasons goals and 25% of his seasons assists was the only decent game he had and even then it was down mostly to us being embarassing. We'll have to agree to disagree here Deuce Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 I cant remember feeling the way I feel now about our players before, Ben Arfa aside, I couldnt give a s**** who we sell. No idea why, just dont feel any sort of affiliation with any of them. Have to agree with you there, bored with the lot of it and couldn't give a shite. Yeah, Cisse's my favourite and frankly the thought of him leaving doesn't bother me massively. Guess this is what it feels like to support a club that has to take two steps back either side of a step forward in the name of being sensible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 Cabaye leaving would have massive implications imo, even though he hasn't had a great season. Really, really hope he doesn't go. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
krybel Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 I would hate to lose him but this midfield isnt that bad: Sissoko - Tiote - Anita or Sissoko - Anita - Marveaux Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 The first one is fucking abject. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 It's Henderson's fault as a midfielder that Liverpool are overly reliant on Suarez? How does the success of other players negate Henderson's performance? A midfield-3 of Gerrard-Henderson-Lucas is the strongest Liverpool can put forward, with Coutinho cutting-in from the left, Downing out on the right, and Sturridge up top (assuming Suarez leaves). No it's a midfielders fault for not providing enough support to a striker so a team needs to rely on individual brilliance by this player (weird sentence not sure if it makes sense ). In any case he only started 16 games this season and I think that speaks volumes of his ability. He had trouble to get into the team when everyone was fit. I saw quite a bit of Liverpool, didn't see much tbf but nothing he does impresses me. Against us where he scored 20% of his seasons goals and 25% of his seasons assists was the only decent game he had and even then it was down mostly to us being embarassing. We'll have to agree to disagree here Deuce To be fair, if they get a decent winger over the summer and move Coutinho to AM, it's a pick-2 of Gerrard-Henderson-Lucas-Allen and Henderson likely sees more time on the bench, depending on how Gerrard holds-up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 I honestly wouldn't care about any player leaving, Ben Arfa aside. I can't understand people that have this view. Hba no doubt is talented but he's not exactly reliable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbo Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 I honestly wouldn't care about any player leaving, Ben Arfa aside. I can't understand people that have this view. Hba no doubt is talented but he's not exactly reliable. People want to be entertained. He is entertainment - when on the pitch. Which sadly happens all too rarely Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 Exactly. Ben Arfa's like no other Newcastle player I've watched (in the flesh) before. I'd be absolutely gutted if he left, especially having only witnessed glimpses of his full potential. His goal against Blackburn will probably stay with me; can confidently I've never seen a better one (again, in the flesh). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 I think Cisse's more entertaining personally. Hatem's great in his own right but dribbling past two players and losing it against the third just makes me feel frustrated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbo Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 Cisse has a very entertaining personality and overall demeanour as well. Seems like such a nice, happy-go-lucky chap. It is refreshing (although at times infuriating) having a player running around for 90 minutes with a big cheesy grin on his face. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 Can't believe people want to sell a player who would leave a gaping hole in midfield we'd struggle to adequately replace. Shows how myopic our fans have become and how unable to distingusih between a good player being handicapped and demoralized by the manager/regime, and one who lacks real talent... Cabaye will go on to prove what a class player he is under a better manager who utilizes his talents better and with a more ambitious club.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 Cabaye will go on to prove what a class player he is under a better manager who utilizes his talents better and with a more ambitious club.... unfortunately this Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilson Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 Can't believe people want to sell a player who would leave a gaping hole in midfield we'd struggle to adequately replace. Shows how myopic our fans have become and how unable to distingusih between a good player being handicapped and demoralized by the manager/regime, and one who lacks real talent... Cabaye will go on to prove what a class player he is under a better manager who utilizes his talents better and with a more ambitious club.... This and this It's what is so frustrating, I'm fairly certain with Pardew in charge we will NEVER see the full potential of the talented squad we have. We're already hearing murmurings of unsettled players and nothing is going to change (playing style-wise) this season, come January half of them will want out imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 What is 'the potential' of our squad. Does it exceed a fifth placed finish? Would you expect a better manager to be able to achieve that on a regular basis, based on our players alone? Or, is it more of a romantic, purist desire, not based around finishing positions? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilson Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 What is 'the potential' of our squad. Does it exceed a fifth placed finish? Would you expect a better manager to be able to achieve that on a regular basis, based on our players alone? Or, is it more of a romantic, purist desire, not based around finishing positions? No it probably doesn't exceed 5th placed finish regularly. But I'm pretty certain we would play a lot better football, and get into Europe most seasons with a manager who played to their strengths. I think pardew lucked out getting us in Europe. I certainly wouldn't expect them to be flirting with relegation, but I suppose we'll have to wait till this seasons over to get a better view of where Pardew can take us. My concern is that if it does go tits up again, we'll lose a few 'purples' before we get to see them under a decent manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 Can't believe people want to sell a player who would leave a gaping hole in midfield we'd struggle to adequately replace. Shows how myopic our fans have become and how unable to distingusih between a good player being handicapped and demoralized by the manager/regime, and one who lacks real talent... Cabaye will go on to prove what a class player he is under a better manager who utilizes his talents better and with a more ambitious club.... This and this It's what is so frustrating, I'm fairly certain with Pardew in charge we will NEVER see the full potential of the talented squad we have. We're already hearing murmurings of unsettled players and nothing is going to change (playing style-wise) this season, come January half of them will want out imo. After his quotes on Man U and the fact although he is at times a true gem he can be poor too, more than happy to keep him, would love him to stay IF it is what he wants BUT IF we did sell him for £30m I would not be going nutts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 What is 'the potential' of our squad. Does it exceed a fifth placed finish? Would you expect a better manager to be able to achieve that on a regular basis, based on our players alone? Or, is it more of a romantic, purist desire, not based around finishing positions? Potential of the squad is 8th for me. The team needs far more goals in it to have potential to finish higher. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 It's quite a hard one for us to get right, pleasing the fans. On one hand some people just want better football, on the other hand some people are very specific about league positions and European qualification. Obviously both would be ideal. Personally I'm not as full of dread for next season as some. Everything depends on the start really. Pardew is capable of maintaining a winning run and a good team spirit under the right conditions. We will never play brilliant football all the time, but as long as there are enough good moments I will be basically satisfied. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilson Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 Can't believe people want to sell a player who would leave a gaping hole in midfield we'd struggle to adequately replace. Shows how myopic our fans have become and how unable to distingusih between a good player being handicapped and demoralized by the manager/regime, and one who lacks real talent... Cabaye will go on to prove what a class player he is under a better manager who utilizes his talents better and with a more ambitious club.... This and this It's what is so frustrating, I'm fairly certain with Pardew in charge we will NEVER see the full potential of the talented squad we have. We're already hearing murmurings of unsettled players and nothing is going to change (playing style-wise) this season, come January half of them will want out imo. After his quotes on Man U and the fact although he is at times a true gem he can be poor too, more than happy to keep him, would love him to stay IF it is what he wants BUT IF we did sell him for £30m I would not be going nutts. I am just completely writing off the Man U comments, he'd been asked if he'd like to play for them in an interview...99% of players would say yes, seems the media are still hanging on to it tho with shit like 'he wants out' etc etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ste Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 Realistically, we aren't looking at receiving bids of £30m for him. More like half that. He is quality but he hasn't shown it consistently enough. Any team would be bonkers to fork out £30m. At least Carroll looked like a real danger for a while, but he also had the young English talent factor going for him also. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 Nobody will bid over about £10-12m IMO... and we won't sell him for that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 Nobody will bid over about £10-12m IMO... and we won't sell him for that. I can see Monaco coming in for over 15m and that would interest them. His true value is around twice what we paid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 What is 'the potential' of our squad. Does it exceed a fifth placed finish? Would you expect a better manager to be able to achieve that on a regular basis, based on our players alone? Or, is it more of a romantic, purist desire, not based around finishing positions? how about some basics inochi, such as the potential to string 2 passes together on the ground with team of full internationals, or coach the team to attack and defend effectively as a unit? maybe the potential not to struggle through EVERY FUCKING game no matter who we're playing over the course of a season dunno, just me like Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 What is 'the potential' of our squad. Does it exceed a fifth placed finish? Would you expect a better manager to be able to achieve that on a regular basis, based on our players alone? Or, is it more of a romantic, purist desire, not based around finishing positions? how about some basics inochi, such as the potential to string 2 passes together on the ground with team of full internationals, or coach the team to attack and defend effectively as a unit? maybe the potential not to struggle through EVERY FUCKING game no matter who we're playing over the course of a season dunno, just me like I'm not getting into it, because it's not really what I was getting at, but all of that happened in Hitler's first full season. Possibly not to the extent you desire, but it was alright. DISCLAIMER: No, we didn't progress from there or appear to have some form of cohesive plan or ethos. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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