ponsaelius Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 It would be the wrong message to send tbh to acquiese to his demands, making him the highest paid player after kicking up a fuss when tbh he's been great at times but he doesn't deserve to be paid more than Colo. Obviously. It's not that obvious. A player being rewarded with a much better contract after scoring 26 in 49 starts is perfectly realistic. Other contracts should have no bearing at all. Theo Walcott is kicking up much more of a fuss than Ba and he's praised for it. Is he? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 It would be the wrong message to send tbh to acquiese to his demands, making him the highest paid player after kicking up a fuss when tbh he's been great at times but he doesn't deserve to be paid more than Colo. Obviously. It's not that obvious. A player being rewarded with a much better contract after scoring 26 in 49 starts is perfectly realistic. Other contracts should have no bearing at all. Theo Walcott is kicking up much more of a fuss than Ba and he's praised for it. Is he? The media are firmly on his side. Especially about the playing as a striker and not a winger "demand" which is ironic... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Historically this is an old debate...There is a long line of pacey black wide forwards who always really wanted to acutally play as a striker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxfree Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 It would be the wrong message to send tbh to acquiese to his demands, making him the highest paid player after kicking up a fuss when tbh he's been great at times but he doesn't deserve to be paid more than Colo. Obviously. It's not that obvious. A player being rewarded with a much better contract after scoring 26 in 49 starts is perfectly realistic. Other contracts should have no bearing at all. Theo Walcott is kicking up much more of a fuss than Ba and he's praised for it. I don't know what he's demanding, but if the reported figures are right, it's not realistic at all. Never mind just the actual salary. A whinging(/through advisors) player with injury worries should not be on the same money as our brilliant, in all aspects, captain. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
henke Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Sick of hearing about this fucking clause. His stock was higher last summer and nae cunt bought him! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Now is possibly different because I can see Ba wanting to jump ship Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 His stock was lower in the summer, IMO, after his barren run. By doing what he's done this season it shows he's not a one-off and that he pretty much guarantees goals when used in his favoured position. He hasn't played to the all-round level he did in the early part of last season (once he found his feet), but he's still finding the net. If we're going to lose him it'll be in January, but I do think he'll end up staying. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 It would be the wrong message to send tbh to acquiese to his demands, making him the highest paid player after kicking up a fuss when tbh he's been great at times but he doesn't deserve to be paid more than Colo. Obviously. It's not that obvious. A player being rewarded with a much better contract after scoring 26 in 49 starts is perfectly realistic. Other contracts should have no bearing at all. Theo Walcott is kicking up much more of a fuss than Ba and he's praised for it. I don't know what he's demanding, but if the reported figures are right, it's not realistic at all. Never mind just the actual salary. A whinging(/through advisors) player with injury worries should not be on the same money as our brilliant, in all aspects, captain. 80k a week for a proven 1 in 2 striker is definitely realistic. How many of those are there and what would they be getting paid? The cost of replacing Ba would far outweigh the cost of keeping him. I don't think he has missed a game through injury once since he joined while Colo is missing more and more btw. Plus his "attitude" isn't bad at all compared to some players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Spurs didn't give in to Adebayor afaik. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxfree Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 It would be the wrong message to send tbh to acquiese to his demands, making him the highest paid player after kicking up a fuss when tbh he's been great at times but he doesn't deserve to be paid more than Colo. Obviously. It's not that obvious. A player being rewarded with a much better contract after scoring 26 in 49 starts is perfectly realistic. Other contracts should have no bearing at all. Theo Walcott is kicking up much more of a fuss than Ba and he's praised for it. I don't know what he's demanding, but if the reported figures are right, it's not realistic at all. Never mind just the actual salary. A whinging(/through advisors) player with injury worries should not be on the same money as our brilliant, in all aspects, captain. 80k a week for a proven 1 in 2 striker is definitely realistic. How many of those are there and what would they be getting paid? The cost of replacing Ba would far outweigh the cost of keeping him. I don't think he has missed a game through injury once since he joined while Colo is missing more and more btw. Plus his "attitude" isn't bad at all compared to some players. I don't think it is. Not at this club atm. Others would demand the same/significantly higher wages. So would new players coming in. There's definitely players out there who has potential. And they'd probably also demand less, and have a bigger sell-on value. Aubameyang springs to mind. We also have Cissé on our books who has shown he can do the same job, and there's always the argument that we'd get more goals/points in total if we'd not play to Ba's wish. Won't get in to the injury thing any more. It's pretty well documented that it's a huge risk with him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Agree once we break the wage cap once every player will feel entitled to demand to, and players coming in will want it. No player can hold club to ransom Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 I would much rather we stuck to our guns on this. If players want silly money they can go elsewhere. Bye. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenham Mag Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Is he 100% playing on monday? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LesPaul Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 We'd be fucked without him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 We'd be f***ed without him. Saying that is like saying without RVP ManYoo would be f*cked because he scores all the goals..... same people that said Man Yoo would be f*cked when Ronaldo left for Madrid.... when Arsenal lost Henry, Vieira etc etc.... Someone always steps up no matter who it is, let's not get over dramatic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 We'd be f***ed without him. Saying that is like saying without RVP ManYoo would be f*cked because he scores all the goals..... same people that said Man Yoo would be f*cked when Ronaldo left for Madrid.... when Arsenal lost Henry, Vieira etc etc.... Someone always steps up no matter who it is, let's not get over dramatic. When Arsenal lost Van Persie... Arsenal in general are a bad example of this. A very good manager is keeping them afloat despite selling their best players. Keeping your best players is very important, especially if they're leaving for far less than they're worth. Just assuming we'd replace a 1 in 2 striker is mental considering there's very few of them and we're owned by Mike Ashley. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Being able adapt and move on is also incredibly important. We have a wage cap so we operate in a financially sustainable manner, we can't just break it now and then, if we break it once it's meaningless. We can't be reliant on Ba and I don't think we'd be fucked without him, he's not actually been in that brilliant form this season, he started well and dropped off, we need a new striker even if we don't lose him tbh though and if we do lose him we'd need 2. The issue is not that we should be willing to cough up for ba, it;s that we're in a situation where we may need to as we didn't strengthen the team sufficiently Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 We need 2 strikers now and we'd need 3 if he went. We wont get 3 new capable strikers for £3.5million (inc. total wages, signing on fees etc). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 If he wants £80k per week its not greed really, I get the wage cap idea but is a cap of eighty grand to high for an EPL club ? Not in my opinion its not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxfree Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 We need 2 strikers now and we'd need 3 if he went. We wont get 3 new capable strikers for £3.5million (inc. total wages, signing on fees etc). We don't, though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagten Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 We need 2 strikers now and we'd need 3 if he went. We wont get 3 new capable strikers for £3.5million (inc. total wages, signing on fees etc). Really? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.S.R. Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 We got him for nothing. His goals return deserves the going rate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Shola, Ranger and Xisco are our backup. 2 players we actively don't want and one who hasn't scored in the league since March and is adequate at very, very best. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 If he wants £80k per week its not greed really, I get the wage cap idea but is a cap of eighty grand to high for an EPL club ? Not in my opinion its not. Only Bale is on 80k at Spurs apparently and he's world class. I can't believe anybody at Arsenal is on 80k. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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