Shak Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 I think Marveaux will be perfect for 4-3-3. One striker with Ben Arfa and Marveaux on either side would be devastating combo IMO. By dropping the second striker, not only do you accommodate an extra midfielder giving the wide players licence, you also have a top striker on the bench to change things up. Not to mention the 3rd striker option becomes less important. Aye, now that we've failed to land another striker we should be going towards a 4-3-3 more often. I'm not sure what Ba's situation is or what Pardew has promised him, but he really needs to be a team player and play out left when asked to. He should still get games centrally when we go 4-4-2, and if he can dislodge Cisse as the starting central striker in a 4-3-3 then more power to him. Tiote Anita Cabaye Ben Arfa Marveaux Cisse Is something I really want to see at some point. Rotate those 6 along with Ba and Jonas and we should really be able to play some good football. Lot of flexibility there with Ba, Jonas and Marveaux being so versatile. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEEJ Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 tbh. He hasn´t shown anything yet that would suggest that he is good enough to help our team to push on if we would miss anyone. And that still even a few of our first teamers isn´t good enough from the start. Wat? Ignore him, he's the most negative chump on the forum these past couple of weeks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 I think Marveaux will be perfect for 4-3-3. One striker with Ben Arfa and Marveaux on either side would be devastating combo IMO. By dropping the second striker, not only do you accommodate an extra midfielder giving the wide players licence, you also have a top striker on the bench to change things up. Not to mention the 3rd striker option becomes less important. Aye, now that we've failed to land another striker we should be going towards a 4-3-3 more often. I'm not sure what Ba's situation is or what Pardew has promised him, but he really needs to be a team player and play out left when asked to. He should still get games centrally when we go 4-4-2, and if he can dislodge Cisse as the starting central striker in a 4-3-3 then more power to him. Tiote Anita Cabaye Ben Arfa Marveaux Cisse Is something I really want to see at some point. Rotate those 6 along with Ba and Jonas and we should really be able to play some good football. Lot of flexibility there with Ba, Jonas and Marveaux being so versatile. Dat team and rotation options. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 tbh. He hasn´t shown anything yet that would suggest that he is good enough to help our team to push on if we would miss anyone. And that still even a few of our first teamers isn´t good enough from the start. Wat? If there was ever a perfect use for the 'wat?' response, this is it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 I think Marveaux will be perfect for 4-3-3. One striker with Ben Arfa and Marveaux on either side would be devastating combo IMO. By dropping the second striker, not only do you accommodate an extra midfielder giving the wide players licence, you also have a top striker on the bench to change things up. Not to mention the 3rd striker option becomes less important. Aye, now that we've failed to land another striker we should be going towards a 4-3-3 more often. I'm not sure what Ba's situation is or what Pardew has promised him, but he really needs to be a team player and play out left when asked to. He should still get games centrally when we go 4-4-2, and if he can dislodge Cisse as the starting central striker in a 4-3-3 then more power to him. Tiote Anita Cabaye Ben Arfa Marveaux Cisse Is something I really want to see at some point. Rotate those 6 along with Ba and Jonas and we should really be able to play some good football. Lot of flexibility there with Ba, Jonas and Marveaux being so versatile. I think the fact that we didn't sign another striker will actually help us here. Perfect excuse to rotate Ba and Cisse with our heavy fixture schedule. Marveaux and Arfa both look like they've got goals in them as well so plenty of firepower even with one striker up top. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shak Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 I think Marveaux will be perfect for 4-3-3. One striker with Ben Arfa and Marveaux on either side would be devastating combo IMO. By dropping the second striker, not only do you accommodate an extra midfielder giving the wide players licence, you also have a top striker on the bench to change things up. Not to mention the 3rd striker option becomes less important. Aye, now that we've failed to land another striker we should be going towards a 4-3-3 more often. I'm not sure what Ba's situation is or what Pardew has promised him, but he really needs to be a team player and play out left when asked to. He should still get games centrally when we go 4-4-2, and if he can dislodge Cisse as the starting central striker in a 4-3-3 then more power to him. Tiote Anita Cabaye Ben Arfa Marveaux Cisse Is something I really want to see at some point. Rotate those 6 along with Ba and Jonas and we should really be able to play some good football. Lot of flexibility there with Ba, Jonas and Marveaux being so versatile. I think the fact that we didn't sign another striker will actually help us here. Perfect excuse to rotate Ba and Cisse with our heavy fixture schedule. Marveaux and Arfa both look like they've got goals in them as well so plenty of firepower even with one striker up top. Aye, I dare say Obertan would benefit from playing a bit more advanced too. Sammy looks a good fit as a wide player in 4-3-3 too. Missed the game against Atromitos btw, what formation did we play? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 I think Marveaux will be perfect for 4-3-3. One striker with Ben Arfa and Marveaux on either side would be devastating combo IMO. By dropping the second striker, not only do you accommodate an extra midfielder giving the wide players licence, you also have a top striker on the bench to change things up. Not to mention the 3rd striker option becomes less important. Aye, now that we've failed to land another striker we should be going towards a 4-3-3 more often. I'm not sure what Ba's situation is or what Pardew has promised him, but he really needs to be a team player and play out left when asked to. He should still get games centrally when we go 4-4-2, and if he can dislodge Cisse as the starting central striker in a 4-3-3 then more power to him. Tiote Anita Cabaye Ben Arfa Marveaux Cisse Is something I really want to see at some point. Rotate those 6 along with Ba and Jonas and we should really be able to play some good football. Lot of flexibility there with Ba, Jonas and Marveaux being so versatile. I think the fact that we didn't sign another striker will actually help us here. Perfect excuse to rotate Ba and Cisse with our heavy fixture schedule. Marveaux and Arfa both look like they've got goals in them as well so plenty of firepower even with one striker up top. Aye, I dare say Obertan would benefit from playing a bit more advanced too. Sammy looks a good fit as a wide player in 4-3-3 too. Missed the game against Atromitos btw, what formation did we play? Kind of 4-2-3-1 but Haris spent most of time up alongside BA. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varadi Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 Missed the game against Atromitos btw, what formation did we play? 4-4-1-1 Gosling then Vuckic off Ba, Obertan stayed wide right but Marveaux wandered quite a bit from the left. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 I think Marveaux will be perfect for 4-3-3. One striker with Ben Arfa and Marveaux on either side would be devastating combo IMO. By dropping the second striker, not only do you accommodate an extra midfielder giving the wide players licence, you also have a top striker on the bench to change things up. Not to mention the 3rd striker option becomes less important. Aye, now that we've failed to land another striker we should be going towards a 4-3-3 more often. I'm not sure what Ba's situation is or what Pardew has promised him, but he really needs to be a team player and play out left when asked to. He should still get games centrally when we go 4-4-2, and if he can dislodge Cisse as the starting central striker in a 4-3-3 then more power to him. Tiote Anita Cabaye Ben Arfa Marveaux Cisse Is something I really want to see at some point. Rotate those 6 along with Ba and Jonas and we should really be able to play some good football. Lot of flexibility there with Ba, Jonas and Marveaux being so versatile. I think the fact that we didn't sign another striker will actually help us here. Perfect excuse to rotate Ba and Cisse with our heavy fixture schedule. Marveaux and Arfa both look like they've got goals in them as well so plenty of firepower even with one striker up top. Aye, I dare say Obertan would benefit from playing a bit more advanced too. Sammy looks a good fit as a wide player in 4-3-3 too. Missed the game against Atromitos btw, what formation did we play? Pretty much 4-3-3 with Obertan and Marveaux being the wide forwards. It worked well with both players giving the Greeks a tough night. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 If we're going 4-4-2 at the weekend, i'd have him on the left ahead of Jonas all day long. Aside from the fact he looks dead classy, he's left-footed - plain and simple. We're so unbalanced in that formation that it borders on the ridiculous. Two right-footers down the left just doesn't work at all - and it's the same on the other side with Ben Arfa. Gah, there really is so many reasons why 4-4-2 doesn't work for us. Fucking irritating. I know he values being compact and hard to break down above all, and I really appreciate it considering how easily teams have broken us down in recent years, but there MUST be a way that we can be solid and achieve some sort of rhythm going forward. We basically rely on Hatem skinning 4 men, Cabaye playing a wonder ball or the strikers feeding off scraps. Last season in a 4-3-3 we were knocking it about really really well and making progress up the pitch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 TRon mate, it was never 4-3-3 in a millions years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 Looked a 4-4-2 to me from Vuckic onwards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 Looked a 4-4-2 to me from Vuckic onwards. I thought it was bit more of a looser system, Bigi was deeper than Gosling in the middle. As Varadi said Marv wandered and Obertan stayed wide. Haris was indeed pushed up very high. Was actually quite nice to see, it wasn't rigid and i think thats why we are seeing so many of us thinking it was different. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 TRon mate, it was never 4-3-3 in a millions years. I was looking at Vukic as more an attacking midfielder than a striker as such which is where the difference seems to lie. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 TRon mate, it was never 4-3-3 in a millions years. I was looking at Vukic as more an attacking midfielder than a striker as such which is where the difference seems to lie. I thought we roamed about a bit, nice to see actually. Haris if fit definitely suits playing off the front like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 TRon mate, it was never 4-3-3 in a millions years. I was looking at Vukic as more an attacking midfielder than a striker as such which is where the difference seems to lie. I thought we roamed about a bit, nice to see actually. Haris if fit definitely suits playing off the front like. Yeah there was some decent movement all over the pitch I thought, none of the big gaps we sometimes see when the first team is playing with Cisse and Ba up front. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 TRon mate, it was never 4-3-3 in a millions years. I was looking at Vukic as more an attacking midfielder than a striker as such which is where the difference seems to lie. I thought we roamed about a bit, nice to see actually. Haris if fit definitely suits playing off the front like. Yeah there was some decent movement all over the pitch I thought, none of the big gaps we sometimes see when the first team is playing with Cisse and Ba up front. Well spotted mate, that was the one of the things i noticed as well, Haris was always around Ba and not isolated like Cisse gets (so far this season anyhoo). Hope its like that tomorrow. Nice to see us rolling the ball out from Krul and not going long with it whenever he has it too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 TRon mate, it was never 4-3-3 in a millions years. I was looking at Vukic as more an attacking midfielder than a striker as such which is where the difference seems to lie. I thought we roamed about a bit, nice to see actually. Haris if fit definitely suits playing off the front like. Yeah there was some decent movement all over the pitch I thought, none of the big gaps we sometimes see when the first team is playing with Cisse and Ba up front. Well spotted mate, that was the one of the things i noticed as well, Haris was always around Ba and not isolated like Cisse gets (so far this season anyhoo). Hope its like that tomorrow. Nice to see us rolling the ball out from Krul and not going long with it whenever he has it too. Aye we definitely were very deliberate in trying to play it out from the back with the way we were set up. I'm not a Gosling fan but even he was trying to do the right things, picking the ball up in midfield and driving it forward and generally moving well. You can put that down to the opposition but despite the fact they had no goal threat they were still a tidy side I thought. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 TRon mate, it was never 4-3-3 in a millions years. I was looking at Vukic as more an attacking midfielder than a striker as such which is where the difference seems to lie. I thought we roamed about a bit, nice to see actually. Haris if fit definitely suits playing off the front like. Yeah there was some decent movement all over the pitch I thought, none of the big gaps we sometimes see when the first team is playing with Cisse and Ba up front. Well spotted mate, that was the one of the things i noticed as well, Haris was always around Ba and not isolated like Cisse gets (so far this season anyhoo). Hope its like that tomorrow. Nice to see us rolling the ball out from Krul and not going long with it whenever he has it too. Aye we definitely were very deliberate in trying to play it out from the back with the way we were set up. I'm not a Gosling fan but even he was trying to do the right things, picking the ball up in midfield and driving it forward and generally moving well. You can put that down to the opposition but despite the fact they had no goal threat they were still a tidy side I thought. They were ok, thing was you could kind of sense if we got a second they could well have folded. Their full backs were very poor and we had lots of joy wide. Quite surprised to see some on here say we played not that well. I thought we played ok myself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 A bit obvious Pards is trying to play out from the back and play through teams. That was evident through out pre season and during this season, the only thing missing at the moment is turning the neat and tidy passing into actual chances and end product. It will come though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ujpest doza Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 If you're Pardew though, do you favour Marveaux's flair and quality on the ball over Jonas' tactical discipline and work rate? Jonas all day long. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 Looking forward to him getting some decent game time tomorrow. Think he could be dynamite against tired Villa legs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 If you're Pardew though, do you favour Marveaux's flair and quality on the ball over Jonas' tactical discipline and work rate? Jonas all day long. If marv hadn't of played Thursday i'd slide with marv with villa not being much of a threat out wide. However away from home Jonas without a doubt but most weaker teams at home i'd go Marv. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 Another Premier League no show for this forum hero. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 Very disappointing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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