Guest Haris Vuckic Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 It was a horrible piece of play. I like Marveaux and have seen what he can do.... yesterday... yeah... he had some moments I guess. I think he's got the ability but he doesn't look like he could give two shits. Remember that picture of him in the dingi? That's his footballing philosophy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 No Manchester United player is allowed to shirk physical confrontations. From 1 to 11 they won't do it. They simply won't be out worked 90% of the time. Out of all their wingers Nani is the least receptive to 50/50's and he memorably got sent off for competing decently for one. With Valencia, Young, Welbeck, RVP and Rooney in advanced areas you can't pretend only Stoke players should be able to do anything off the ball. He's not a Man U calibre player, if he was he would be playing for a CL club. He's got a lot of ability but he is never going to be a player who gets stuck in, it's just not in his make up. Our version of a hard working winger would be Jonas. **sigh** you don't have to be a workhorse to contend a 50/50. He just plays like he's scared to get injured or something Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
biggs Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 Was never going to look good in a game like last night, especially with us set up the way we were. So you must have a low estimation of him if he is going to struggle at that level of opposition ,a good footballer or team unless they are having an off day should not be made to look shit off Morecambe .Tbh i do not rate him that highly and his injury record has followed him from France . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnes23 Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 Was never going to look good in a game like last night, especially with us set up the way we were. So you must have a low estimation of him if he is going to struggle at that level of opposition ,a good footballer or team unless they are having an off day should not be made to look s*** off Morecambe .Tbh i do not rate him that highly and his injury record has followed him from France . Morecambe wanted a physical,direct game and they got what they wanted (despite Pardew's pre-match comments). His passing ability and technical qualities are never likely to come to the fore in such a situation. Marveaux is up there with our best players in terms of natural ability imo, but we might not see the best of him here (under Pardew)- I think people would be surprised at just how good he would look in a Swansea/Liverpool style team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
biggs Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 Was never going to look good in a game like last night, especially with us set up the way we were. So you must have a low estimation of him if he is going to struggle at that level of opposition ,a good footballer or team unless they are having an off day should not be made to look s*** off Morecambe .Tbh i do not rate him that highly and his injury record has followed him from France . Morecambe wanted a physical,direct game and they got what they wanted (despite Pardew's pre-match comments). His passing ability and technical qualities are never likely to come to the fore in such a situation. Marveaux is up there with our best players in terms of natural ability imo, but we might not see the best of him here (under Pardew)- I think people would be surprised at just how good he would look in a Swansea/Liverpool style team. We can and do make good players turn shit overnight Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 some talent yes, effort no. You'd think his far superior technical ability would shine through against a league 2 side regardless of whether he likes playing on the wing or not. Fact is I've yet to see anything on any sort of consistent basis that show's why he's worth all the praise he gets on here. Flashe's here and there aren't enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 I think he's perhaps the best example of the failing French experiment. Technically superior, easily worth his place in the squad and often the Xl due to shoddy competition, but ultimately completely without some of the imperative ingredients needed to perform well in the PL. Before anyone tags a needless stature stereotype to this post I'd urge you to compare him to the smaller Spanish players I see who are often frankly excellent off the ball. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 Should 'never wear the shirt again' according to The Mag. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewJerseyMag Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 The Mags view is a little extreme but lets face it he just isn't good enough. "Good enough" includes a desire to succeed: sadly lacking. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 He needs to do better no doubt but I know there's a class player there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 He'll be fine. Just not an out an out winger and likely not going to start all the time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 He'll be fine. Just not an out an out winger and likely not going to start all the time. This, I think he's an excellent wildcard for us to play. I'd play him tomorrow in the hole with 2 of Anita, Cabaye and Sissoko behind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 The dilemma for us is that the good players don't tackle hard enough, but the hard tacklers aren't good enough. You get what you pay for in the end I suppose. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 I think ability on the ball and off the ball would be a fairer way to present that statement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 In a decent, balanced, committed squad he'd be sidelined due to his weaknesses. Unfortunately we don't have one of them so because he can pick a pass & make a chance he should be a starter because he's the only one we've got. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 Marveaux is always too deep and played out of position, well positions he's not best suited to. Get him where Haris was the other night and it would be interesting to see. Not going to happen mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 I think ability on the ball and off the ball would be a fairer way to present that statement. What statement? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nordstrom Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 Can't say I was overly impressed with his performance. While he held up the ball fairly well, his movement off the ball was static and he didn't try to get into spaces to pick up the ball. I noticed he improved in the first half but I'm reconsidering whether he's worth having in our starting eleven. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 I like him but he is not worth a place at the moment really. He isn't effective wide and we now have more complimentary options central. Good player to have to bring on though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
healthyaddiction Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 Just not a winger. I think he is a useful squad player and if we want a creative player in the hole he's our best option but out wide we really need to sign someone if we're playing 4-4-2 or possibly even give Sammy a chance if we don't sign anyone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newcastle Fan Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 Say what you want about him but i'd have him over Jonas any day of the week. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 He played well and is one of the reasons that we played a good passing game and won. He's not a winger but he's better than Jonas who he's replacing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tachikoma Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 Still think there's a place for him if we decided to play any formation that utilised a player just behind the strikers/forwards. What bimpy said. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 Not sure about him. Technically he's sound, but he never really looks like he wants to step up and influence the game. If he played with more energy he could be a great player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDT Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 He's better in the middle or cutting in on his left, he's not an out and out winger. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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