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Can't believe the s*** being spouted about Zidane in here :lol:

 

The one who was overrated was always Ronaldinho. Nothing more than a ridiculously good show pony. He'd be nowhere near the top 50 in the world nevermind the top 5.

 

Except at his absolute best he was probably the better than any of these guys mentioned. Something out of this world. Unfortunaely it only lasted 2 years.

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Why on earth is QPR - Man United on at 12? Hideous set of circumstances for the Man United fans coming down from the NW.

 

As always the fans attending the match treated with nothing but contempt.

 

QPR: Cerny, Gabbidon, Bothroyd, Faurlin, Mackie, Traore, Connolly, Barton, Young, Helguson, Wright-Phillips Subs: Kenny, Orr, Hill, Derry, Taarabt, Campbell, Smith.

 

Manchester United: De Gea, Evra, Jones, Ferdinand, Evans, Rooney, Smalling, Carrick, Nani, Welbeck, Valencia. Subs: Berbatov, Giggs, Park, Hernandez, Young, Lindegaard, Fryers

 

Referee: http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Football/Pix/pictures/2011/1/9/1294598017940/Howard-Webb---Twitter-007.jpg

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Why on earth is QPR - Man United on at 12? Hideous set of circumstances for the Man United fans coming down from the NW.

As always the fans attending the match treated with nothing but contempt.

 

QPR: Cerny, Gabbidon, Bothroyd, Faurlin, Mackie, Traore, Connolly, Barton, Young, Helguson, Wright-Phillips Subs: Kenny, Orr, Hill, Derry, Taarabt, Campbell, Smith.

 

Manchester United: De Gea, Evra, Jones, Ferdinand, Evans, Rooney, Smalling, Carrick, Nani, Welbeck, Valencia. Subs: Berbatov, Giggs, Park, Hernandez, Young, Lindegaard, Fryers

 

Referee: http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Football/Pix/pictures/2011/1/9/1294598017940/Howard-Webb---Twitter-007.jpg

 

:yao:

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The Everton Guide to Fucking Up At Home:

 

First 20 minutes: give the impression you're a good team by being "all over" the other team - this can be either actual domination such as vs Norwich, or mere bullshit possession stuff that goes nowhere apart from the odd overhit pass out of play for a throw in/goal kick, such as vs QPR, and indeed most games.

 

Stop! What are you doing? This game needs a twist. The opposition will now score with their first meaningful attack. Remember - the opposition must score first, it gets the players on their toes. This should normally be after 25-35 minutes.

 

Examples:

 

QPR - scoring first after 31 minutes

Sheff Utd - 28 minutes

Wigan - 31 minutes

Man Utd - 19 minutes

Wolves - 37 minutes

Stoke - 15 minutes

Norwich - 28 minutes

 

To recover, give it to Baines and hope he can do something. Failing that, go down with a whimper e.g. vs Stoke, have a plethora of shots that don't trouble the keeper and lose e.g vs Man Utd and QPR. Sometimes, it's best you do win and actually get some points.

 

Tactics: you must play players who work hard. The likes of Drenthe have too much technical quality, DO NOT START. Rodwell? Punish him for sneaking out to play for England by benching him. Players like Heitinga are essential first-teamers; superior defenders such as Distin ought not to get a look in. WARNING: You must play Tim Cahill in any given situation.

 

Follow this and you can't go right. Enjoy!

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I think about it this way: do Barca win all the titles they're winning without Messi? Not a chance. Everything goes through him.

 

Do they win without Iniesta? It's much tougher, but I think they still win most of the titles that they have won.

 

Do they win without Xavi? More than without Iniesta but obviously less than without Messi.

 

Do France win anything without Zizou? No, and the proof is the 2002 WC, and 2006 WC.

 

And that is if you want to compare them in terms of impact on titles and trophies.

 

France needed a few other players to win, they declined when Deschamps and Blanc quit. Juventus won the Champions League the year before Zidane signed and never did in his 5 years there, and they only won the league twice, when they replaced him with Nedved they won two titles in two years.

 

Real Madrid won the league and Champions League in the two years before they signed Zidane and only once in his five years there, and won the league straight after he left for the first time in 4 years. Zidane wasn't close to being as important in those teams as Messi is to Barca. (and neither were near this Barca team for much of the time, Juventus declined and won nothing in his last 3 years and ended up in the intertoto cup, Real declined and won nothing in his last 3 years)

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