TRon Posted October 24, 2013 Share Posted October 24, 2013 Would be nice if our captain watched our matches at the stadium when injured. I doubt Vincent Kompany spends a month in Belgium when injured if it isn't needed. You can't even get John Terry to not wear a kit when he's not even be picked to play. It does indicate poor leadership. It indicates even poorer leadership from the manager then. I'm not privy to what goes on in the dressing room but Pardew sure is. Alex Ferguson used to show players with poor commitment the door, not hand them the captain's armband. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pata Posted October 24, 2013 Share Posted October 24, 2013 It's more pointless defending a captain who couldn't give a f*** about his club or the fans who've stuck by him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segun Oluwaniyi Posted October 24, 2013 Share Posted October 24, 2013 For appearances sake, it would be useful to have him around, but at this point, I am much more concerned with him being in an environment that is conducive to his rehabilitation and eventual return. If there is any indication that Argentina is going to slow the process or is a move to distance himself from NUFC than action should be taken. To me, the actual "club captain" is not so important. We saw Tiote carry the band well on Saturday and even saw the likes of Williamson come and take authority. It is more vital that there is a culture of leadership and professionalism at the club, which is more tied to the manager, imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted October 24, 2013 Share Posted October 24, 2013 For appearances sake, it would be useful to have him around, but at this point, I am much more concerned with him being in an environment that is conducive to his rehabilitation and eventual return. If there is any indication that Argentina is going to slow the process or is a move to distance himself from NUFC than action should be taken. To me, the actual "club captain" is not so important. We saw Tiote carry the band well on Saturday and even saw the likes of Williamson come and take authority. It is more vital that there is a culture of leadership and professionalism at the club, which is more tied to the manager, imo. I would say that's a sensible outlook on dealing with the Coloccini situation. Not as dramatic as the Captain AWOL accusations but while he's here we might as well get the best out of him, injuries notwithstanding. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted October 24, 2013 Share Posted October 24, 2013 Would be nice if our captain watched our matches at the stadium when injured. I doubt Vincent Kompany spends a month in Belgium when injured if it isn't needed. You can't even get John Terry to not wear a kit when he's not even be picked to play. It does indicate poor leadership. It indicates even poorer leadership from the manager then. I'm not privy to what goes on in the dressing room but Pardew sure is. Alex Ferguson used to show players with poor commitment the door, not hand them the captain's armband. True. But Alex Ferguson had full control of the team. Pardew doesn't. Ferguson could sell Stam for 16m and eventually sign his replacement for 30m. If Pardew sold Colo, he doesn't know who if anyone will come in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted October 24, 2013 Share Posted October 24, 2013 Agree with Pardew being forced to be pragmatic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted October 24, 2013 Share Posted October 24, 2013 I'm not questioning the injury. It's just we have a captain not even halfway into his lucrative contract and he'll probably give another 10-15 poor performances then slink off back home for nowt and yet there's still a defence for him on here. It's amazing. Makes sense to reserve judgement till that has happened. It's pretty much a best case scenario. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted October 24, 2013 Share Posted October 24, 2013 Would love to go AWOL on work and just hang out with my family in Tampa. FFS, I deserve that right? For the commitment I give to the company that pays me. They owe me, I mean, I come in to work everyday and work hard. I should absolutely be able to go home when I'm feeling that is what I need. Comparing real life to footballer's life always produces lovely examples and isn't pointless at all. Pata man, you know I respect you for your NFL love...but give me a fucking breaking dude. Its not pointless at all, read it for what it is. Its absolutely absurd that people justify Colo's actions b/c they rate him and he did so well for us in the past. He's been poor this season, he's our captain and he's off to Argentina the week of the derby. I just can't stand for that. Its not an over the top reaction what so ever, you have a duty to your club and fellow teammates when you are the captain of the club. It further proves he's not the one for the role, esp. all the press talk about is how he's the glue that holds everyone together...so if he is, why the hell is he leaving? We don't know what's going on internally, I'll accept that, but public perception is a hell of an influencer, and he's not here for the most important fixture to most supporters of this club. That speaks volumes man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted October 24, 2013 Share Posted October 24, 2013 Would love to go AWOL on work and just hang out with my family in Tampa. FFS, I deserve that right? For the commitment I give to the company that pays me. They owe me, I mean, I come in to work everyday and work hard. I should absolutely be able to go home when I'm feeling that is what I need. Comparing real life to footballer's life always produces lovely examples and isn't pointless at all. Pata man, you know I respect you for your NFL love...but give me a fucking breaking dude. Its not pointless at all, read it for what it is. Its absolutely absurd that people justify Colo's actions b/c they rate him and he did so well for us in the past. He's been poor this season, he's our captain and he's off to Argentina the week of the derby. I just can't stand for that. Its not an over the top reaction what so ever, you have a duty to your club and fellow teammates when you are the captain of the club. It further proves he's not the one for the role, esp. all the press talk about is how he's the glue that holds everyone together...so if he is, why the hell is he leaving? We don't know what's going on internally, I'll accept that, but public perception is a hell of an influencer, and he's not here for the most important fixture to most supporters of this club. That speaks volumes man. He's injured, mate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackyboy Posted October 24, 2013 Share Posted October 24, 2013 Bring Dunnett in, it could be the making of a superstar Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted October 24, 2013 Share Posted October 24, 2013 Bring Dunnett in, it could be the making of a superstar Who Dunnett? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted October 24, 2013 Share Posted October 24, 2013 Would love to go AWOL on work and just hang out with my family in Tampa. FFS, I deserve that right? For the commitment I give to the company that pays me. They owe me, I mean, I come in to work everyday and work hard. I should absolutely be able to go home when I'm feeling that is what I need. Comparing real life to footballer's life always produces lovely examples and isn't pointless at all. Pata man, you know I respect you for your NFL love...but give me a fucking breaking dude. Its not pointless at all, read it for what it is. Its absolutely absurd that people justify Colo's actions b/c they rate him and he did so well for us in the past. He's been poor this season, he's our captain and he's off to Argentina the week of the derby. I just can't stand for that. Its not an over the top reaction what so ever, you have a duty to your club and fellow teammates when you are the captain of the club. It further proves he's not the one for the role, esp. all the press talk about is how he's the glue that holds everyone together...so if he is, why the hell is he leaving? We don't know what's going on internally, I'll accept that, but public perception is a hell of an influencer, and he's not here for the most important fixture to most supporters of this club. That speaks volumes man. Well said mate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted October 24, 2013 Share Posted October 24, 2013 Bring Dunnett in, it could be the making of a superstar Who Dunnett? Paul Dunnett. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted October 24, 2013 Share Posted October 24, 2013 The criticism of Coloccini is way over the top. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted October 24, 2013 Share Posted October 24, 2013 The criticism of Coloccini is way over the top. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pata Posted October 24, 2013 Share Posted October 24, 2013 Would love to go AWOL on work and just hang out with my family in Tampa. FFS, I deserve that right? For the commitment I give to the company that pays me. They owe me, I mean, I come in to work everyday and work hard. I should absolutely be able to go home when I'm feeling that is what I need. Comparing real life to footballer's life always produces lovely examples and isn't pointless at all. Pata man, you know I respect you for your NFL love...but give me a f***ing breaking dude. Its not pointless at all, read it for what it is. Its absolutely absurd that people justify Colo's actions b/c they rate him and he did so well for us in the past. He's been poor this season, he's our captain and he's off to Argentina the week of the derby. I just can't stand for that. Its not an over the top reaction what so ever, you have a duty to your club and fellow teammates when you are the captain of the club. It further proves he's not the one for the role, esp. all the press talk about is how he's the glue that holds everyone together...so if he is, why the hell is he leaving? We don't know what's going on internally, I'll accept that, but public perception is a hell of an influencer, and he's not here for the most important fixture to most supporters of this club. That speaks volumes man. I like you Kanji () and felt a bit bad after writing my post. Still I thought your post was totally unnecessary. He didn't go AWOL, he got injured and his family is living on the other side of the planet. Also I hope you don't have to go to work if you are unable to do your job. Anyway, there are clearly two camps on this issue who are miles apart and I'm trying to stay away from this thread for a while. Hope we win on Sunday even without Colo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted October 24, 2013 Share Posted October 24, 2013 Kanji probably does his job, that's the different. Colo's fulfils very few aspects of being a captain. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted October 24, 2013 Share Posted October 24, 2013 The criticism of Coloccini is way over the top. Imagine what you had to say if Pardew decided he couldn't be bothered to turn up for the most important fixture of the season. Mind, you'd probably be ecstatic and think we'd be better off with the players managing themselves.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segun Oluwaniyi Posted October 24, 2013 Share Posted October 24, 2013 The criticism of Coloccini is way over the top. Imagine what you had to say if Pardew decided he couldn't be bothered to turn up for the most important fixture of the season. Mind, you'd probably be ecstatic and think we'd be better off with the players managing themselves.. The correct comparison would be if Pardew had suffered some sort of temporary serious brain injury and was unable to impart any of his tactical and motivational knowledge upon the players. There would be no requirement for him to turn up in this case. Coloccini is paid to football. Right now, he cannot football. Even most of this nonsense about him fulfilling some captain role is strange to me. There is not one tangible increased responsibility that comes with the armband. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted October 24, 2013 Share Posted October 24, 2013 The criticism of Coloccini is way over the top. Imagine what you had to say if Pardew decided he couldn't be bothered to turn up for the most important fixture of the season. Mind, you'd probably be ecstatic and think we'd be better off with the players managing themselves.. The correct comparison would be if Pardew had suffered some sort of temporary serious brain injury and was unable to impart any of his tactical and motivational knowledge upon the players. There would be no requirement for him to turn up in this case. Coloccini is paid to football. Right now, he cannot football. Even most of this nonsense about him fulfilling some captain role is strange to me. There is not one tangible increased responsibility that comes with the armband. Well, it appears we couldn't disagree more. The correct comparison would be if Pardew had refused to do what he was paid to do before, and left the squad of players he is supposed to manage to their own devices for no other reason than personal interest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted October 24, 2013 Share Posted October 24, 2013 More cracking insight from the poster who thinks players have the right to dive. No increased responsibility ffs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted October 24, 2013 Share Posted October 24, 2013 By "personal interest" I'm guessing you mean Pardew's family randomly moving to Argentina? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pata Posted October 24, 2013 Share Posted October 24, 2013 The criticism of Coloccini is way over the top. Imagine what you had to say if Pardew decided he couldn't be bothered to turn up for the most important fixture of the season. Mind, you'd probably be ecstatic and think we'd be better off with the players managing themselves.. The correct comparison would be if Pardew had suffered some sort of temporary serious brain injury and was unable to impart any of his tactical and motivational knowledge upon the players. There would be no requirement for him to turn up in this case. Coloccini is paid to football. Right now, he cannot football. Even most of this nonsense about him fulfilling some captain role is strange to me. There is not one tangible increased responsibility that comes with the armband. Well, it appears we couldn't disagree more. The correct comparison would be if Pardew had refused to do what he was paid to do before, and left the squad of players he is supposed to manage to their own devices for no other reason than personal interest. That isn't the correct comparison. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted October 24, 2013 Share Posted October 24, 2013 By "personal interest" I'm guessing you mean Pardew's family randomly moving to Argentina? I don't know the full circumstances of his family life, and I don't think they're particularly relevant. He gets paid to be a player at NUFC. If he can't play because he's injured, he works with the medicall staff to get fit as soon as possible. Only exception I can see where I would let a player temporarily leave the club is for surgery or treatment that can be better done elsewhere, or for grave personal grievances, such as a death in the family. I don't think either of those scenarios apply to this specific case, but if they do, I'm more than wiling to concede that I understand his and the club's decision. From what we know it appears however he is injured and still wants away from the club and the city as soon as the opportunity presents itself, rather than offering advice and support to his team mates. I think that is very poor form for a club captain. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted October 24, 2013 Share Posted October 24, 2013 The criticism of Coloccini is way over the top. Imagine what you had to say if Pardew decided he couldn't be bothered to turn up for the most important fixture of the season. Mind, you'd probably be ecstatic and think we'd be better off with the players managing themselves.. The correct comparison would be if Pardew had suffered some sort of temporary serious brain injury and was unable to impart any of his tactical and motivational knowledge upon the players. There would be no requirement for him to turn up in this case. Coloccini is paid to football. Right now, he cannot football. Even most of this nonsense about him fulfilling some captain role is strange to me. There is not one tangible increased responsibility that comes with the armband. Well, it appears we couldn't disagree more. The correct comparison would be if Pardew had refused to do what he was paid to do before, and left the squad of players he is supposed to manage to their own devices for no other reason than personal interest. You mean like Cabaye at the start of the season? Yet I'll wager you'll be happy enough for him to be starting against Sunderland this weekend despite refusing to play while perfectly fit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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