jdckelly Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 its all moot anyway, theres no buyers and no hint of a buyer and nothing we can do will force one to appear from thin air. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Green Balls Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 its all moot anyway, theres no buyers and no hint of a buyer and nothing we can do will force one to appear from thin air. Sadly, this. We can all make banners, or have meetings, but in truth we are pretty helpless on this one. One power I do have is making football and NUFC less of a priority in my life. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 Unless you're a fan of finances, specifically who we owe money to (quite a bit more bothered about football myself) then I can't see how we're any better off. We're far less ambitious, far less prestigious, no more stable and suffer almost constant embarrassment including the ultimate shame of relegation. We were something, now we're nothing. 100% this. Our average league position in Ashley's tenure is lower than in the period before he took over. To suggest it isn't debatable if we have made progress is quite frankly laughable. Unfortunately our resident balance sheet fan has given up on trying to explain with arguments his opinions presented as fact. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
binnsy Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 we are apparently the 8th biggest spenders this calender year!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
binnsy Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 When he put the £30m loan in after relegation, which went to help us keep the likes of Colo he has since took back £12m of that and left in £18m. That came from Lee at tonights Fansunited meeting when he was answering the questions that were in tonights chronicle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Consortium of one Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 you can do well with Ashley's philosophy if you run the club intelligently. However, signing Pards to an 8 year contract, bringing back JFK and allowing Carr to get so angry he wants to leave can't be classified as "intelligent". The smart move, after finishing 5th, was to strengthen the club last summer and see if Pardew can handle the rigors of euro football before offering him an extension. Bringing back Kinnear is perhaps the daftest move Ashley could have possibly made and I really believe it's Mike's way of giving us all the finger. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
quayside Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 Unless you're a fan of finances, specifically who we owe money to (quite a bit more bothered about football myself) then I can't see how we're any better off. We're far less ambitious, far less prestigious, no more stable and suffer almost constant embarrassment including the ultimate shame of relegation. We were something, now we're nothing. 100% this. Our average league position in Ashley's tenure is lower than in the period before he took over. To suggest it isn't debatable if we have made progress is quite frankly laughable. Unfortunately our resident balance sheet fan has given up on trying to explain with arguments his opinions presented as fact. Am interested in who you are referring to and why you say that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 When he put the £30m loan in after relegation, which went to help us keep the likes of Colo he has since took back £12m of that and left in £18m. That came from Lee at tonights Fansunited meeting when he was answering the questions that were in tonights chronicle makes sense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoppaz Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 NAR - post removed by a sensitive Administrator Maybe AYE Mr Rich Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Green Balls Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 Defending the good Ashley has done is the football equivalent of praising Mussolini for his public works programs. It beggars belief. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 Unless you're a fan of finances, specifically who we owe money to (quite a bit more bothered about football myself) then I can't see how we're any better off. We're far less ambitious, far less prestigious, no more stable and suffer almost constant embarrassment including the ultimate shame of relegation. We were something, now we're nothing. 100% this. Our average league position in Ashley's tenure is lower than in the period before he took over. To suggest it isn't debatable if we have made progress is quite frankly laughable. Unfortunately our resident balance sheet fan has given up on trying to explain with arguments his opinions presented as fact. Am interested in who you are referring to and why you say that. Are you for real? I hardly ever see you post about anything other than finances. I like you as a poster, and I certainly value your contribution on those finance topics, as you are obviously knowledgeable about accounting/finance, but passing off some very subjective statements about Ashley as facts that cannot be debated has got my back up a bit. I apologise if an opinion that doesn't tally with your "objective" view of the world offends you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
quayside Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 Defending the good Ashley has done is the football equivalent of praising Mussolini for his public works programs. It beggars belief. Ashley is a fat cockney c*nt who is milking money out of this club and we were far better off under Shepherd. Feel better? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Green Balls Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 At this point, I don't care how financially stable he has made the club. This motherfucker has essentially brought in the fifth column to undermine the club and the supporters. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 Defending the good Ashley has done is the football equivalent of praising Mussolini for his public works programs. It beggars belief. Ashley is a fat cockney c*nt who is milking money out of this club and we were far better off under Shepherd. Feel better? Debatable Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 At this point, I don't care how financially stable he has made the club. This motherfucker has essentially brought in the fifth column to undermine the club and the supporters. The financial stability argument itself is quite flawed as well tbh. To be honest, I find it hard to imagine any new owner taking over from Shepherd could have done much worse in the 7 year period since Ashley took over. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Green Balls Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 Did I ever claim we were far better off? You're the one trembling about somebody worse possibly coming in to replace this cunt. Fair enough, I suppose, but in my 20 years as a supporter, I have never seen so many people so apathetic toward NUFC. The passion in this club is gone, gone, gone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
quayside Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 Unless you're a fan of finances, specifically who we owe money to (quite a bit more bothered about football myself) then I can't see how we're any better off. We're far less ambitious, far less prestigious, no more stable and suffer almost constant embarrassment including the ultimate shame of relegation. We were something, now we're nothing. 100% this. Our average league position in Ashley's tenure is lower than in the period before he took over. To suggest it isn't debatable if we have made progress is quite frankly laughable. Unfortunately our resident balance sheet fan has given up on trying to explain with arguments his opinions presented as fact. Am interested in who you are referring to and why you say that. Are you for real? I hardly ever see you post about anything other than finances. I like you as a poster, and I certainly value your contribution on those finance topics, as you are obviously knowledgeable about accounting/finance, but passing off some very subjective statements about Ashley as facts that cannot be debated has got my back up a bit. I apologise if an opinion that doesn't tally with your "objective" view of the world offends you. Am for real. Thanks for the stuff about my financial posts, but I am at the end of the day a NUFC football fan believe it or not. This is a forum for opinions and I freely admit I have punted one or two out there tonight. But no one has really knocked back anything I have said. There have been worse Premiership owners than Ashley, our previous regime had reached a point where the 2006 intake of players can hardly be described as ambitious etc. Not offended btw. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosenrot Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 The passion in this club is gone, gone, gone. That is the face of it all really. Mike Ashley has turned NUFC into something that is no longer something to be proud of. It is a toxic brand. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoppaz Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 Wow people seem upset. Myself I hate Ashley but I balance it with with a range of facts. We are 3 quality players away from being a good side on paper aside from the manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 Unless you're a fan of finances, specifically who we owe money to (quite a bit more bothered about football myself) then I can't see how we're any better off. We're far less ambitious, far less prestigious, no more stable and suffer almost constant embarrassment including the ultimate shame of relegation. We were something, now we're nothing. 100% this. Our average league position in Ashley's tenure is lower than in the period before he took over. To suggest it isn't debatable if we have made progress is quite frankly laughable. Unfortunately our resident balance sheet fan has given up on trying to explain with arguments his opinions presented as fact. Am interested in who you are referring to and why you say that. Are you for real? I hardly ever see you post about anything other than finances. I like you as a poster, and I certainly value your contribution on those finance topics, as you are obviously knowledgeable about accounting/finance, but passing off some very subjective statements about Ashley as facts that cannot be debated has got my back up a bit. I apologise if an opinion that doesn't tally with your "objective" view of the world offends you. Am for real. Thanks for the stuff about my financial posts, but I am at the end of the day a NUFC football fan believe it or not. This is a forum for opinions and I freely admit I have punted one or two out there tonight. But no one has really knocked back anything I have said. There have been worse Premiership owners than Ashley, our previous regime had reached a point where the 2006 intake of players can hardly be described as ambitious etc. Not offended btw. I think you will find not many people agree with you on those statements, especially the second one. Look, the one thing that Ashley seems to gave sorted is not wasting huge sums of money on players without resale value, and even then, from a footballing perspective financial frugality only benefits us as supporters directly if these savings are invested more wisely in the playing squad, which they currently aren't. Other than that, I struggle to see how we are far better off than before he took over (your words) by any measure. We are worse off in terms of (average) league position, club reputation, non-TV revenue (in absolute terms, but certainly relative to our competitors) and to top it off we have a management structure and personnel that would make many a Championship club blush with shame. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest elbee909 Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 Wow people seem upset. Myself I hate Ashley but I balance it with with a range of facts. We are 3 quality players away from being a good side on paper aside from the manager. 16 years ago this month, we beat Barcelona 3-2. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 Wow people seem upset. Myself I hate Ashley but I balance it with with a range of facts. We are 3 quality players away from being a good side on paper aside from the manager. We are a few injuries away from being relegation candidates as well. A good first team (on paper no less) does not a good squad make. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucaAltieri Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 I don't necessarily like Ashley's way of handling some things. Hiring Kinnear as a fall guy. Deliberately being deceptive with the fans, etc. But in general, broad terms, I like that we're trying to sign young, hungry players. I like that we're stocking our youth ranks, I like that we're making sure we squeeze every penny out of transfer deals, I like that we're hanging on to our best players unless we receive silly money, and I like the appointment of Pardew - what he lacks in football terms he more than makes up for with harmonizing the club from players to board. My one, massive, objection is the way we're handling our youth team. We might be buying in promising young'uns but how many of them look like they're going to be anywhere near good enough? I want to see talent that we've developed make its way into the first team. Sammy looks like he's doing that. Carroll managed it. But aside from those exceptions we're not really seeing it. We've had too many promising young players come in then disappear or end up being sold to lower league teams. We need to change our approach to getting these players to kick on or the whole model is rather pointless. Whatever we're doing now isn't working. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosenrot Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 Wow people seem upset. Myself I hate Ashley but I balance it with with a range of facts. We are 3 quality players away from being a good side on paper aside from the manager. 16 years ago this month, we beat Barcelona 3-2. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
quayside Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 Unless you're a fan of finances, specifically who we owe money to (quite a bit more bothered about football myself) then I can't see how we're any better off. We're far less ambitious, far less prestigious, no more stable and suffer almost constant embarrassment including the ultimate shame of relegation. We were something, now we're nothing. 100% this. Our average league position in Ashley's tenure is lower than in the period before he took over. To suggest it isn't debatable if we have made progress is quite frankly laughable. Unfortunately our resident balance sheet fan has given up on trying to explain with arguments his opinions presented as fact. Am interested in who you are referring to and why you say that. Are you for real? I hardly ever see you post about anything other than finances. I like you as a poster, and I certainly value your contribution on those finance topics, as you are obviously knowledgeable about accounting/finance, but passing off some very subjective statements about Ashley as facts that cannot be debated has got my back up a bit. I apologise if an opinion that doesn't tally with your "objective" view of the world offends you. Am for real. Thanks for the stuff about my financial posts, but I am at the end of the day a NUFC football fan believe it or not. This is a forum for opinions and I freely admit I have punted one or two out there tonight. But no one has really knocked back anything I have said. There have been worse Premiership owners than Ashley, our previous regime had reached a point where the 2006 intake of players can hardly be described as ambitious etc. Not offended btw. I think you will find not many people agree with you on those statements, especially the second one. Look, the one thing that Ashley seems to gave sorted is not wasting huge sums of money on players without resale value, and even then, from a footballing perspective financial frugality only benefits us as supporters directly if these savings are invested more wisely in the playing squad, which they currently aren't. Other than that, I struggle to see how we are far better off than before he took over (your words) by any measure. We are worse off in terms of (average) league position, club reputation, non-TV revenue (in absolute terms, but certainly relative to our competitors) and to top it off we have a management structure and personnel that would make many Championship club blush with shame. Without doubt our current management structure is embarrassing, probably worse than that tbh. Your point about the average league position is statistically accurate. But imo we were f*cked in the summer of 2007, I have explained why elsewhere on this forum. And I have (I hope) explained my frustrations with what Ashley is doing and especially the utter rubbish that was the last transfer window. The trouble is if anyone puts anything up on here that doesn't conform to the "Ashley is Satan and anyone who doesn't agree is beyond belief " view you get trashed unfortunately. He is Satan but there are other factors. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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