TRon Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 Ashley cares 0% about the club itself, the players and even less about the fans. These signings are simply to protect his investment and fits in his buy to sell for profit policy. At some point in the future if we don't go down we'll be back in this position again after risking with what we have with our bullshit purple players policy. And yet has put more of his own money into it than anyone else in the history of the club. In fact he's probably the only person who has ever put any money into the club's coffers, apart from the few bob that we long suffering souls spend on them. He's a strange f***er. Due Diligence can do that to a bloke eh Ahh yes. The single most important thing when buying a business and the fat c*** didn't bother with it. SJH took him to the cleaners. The Hall and Shepherd clans certainly did very well out of the sale, but before Ashley came along the potential buyers who did do due diligence ran a mile. So maybe it's just as well for us (as well as the Halls and Shepherds) that Ashley didn't bother to have a proper look before he bought. There's no argument that he's f*cked up along the way but at least when he has had to put his hand in his pocket to pay for his f*ck ups he could afford it. Shepherd valued the club probably 1.5x more than what is worth. Absolutely mental. When anything ends up being sold the ultimate call on the value has to be with the person who decides to buy it. and the person who decides to sell it. Well....if no one wants to pay what the seller is asking it simply won't get sold, so ultimately if it does get sold it is because the buyer agreed a price. So it is the buyers call. I have no idea what Ashley could have bought the club for if he wanted to string it out but he agreed to pay £140 million - his decision. But the seller has to put the product up for sale in the first place. So it's initially the seller's call. I'm pretty sure that was the case with Hall and Shepherd who held all the cards at one point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
quayside Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 Ashley cares 0% about the club itself, the players and even less about the fans. These signings are simply to protect his investment and fits in his buy to sell for profit policy. At some point in the future if we don't go down we'll be back in this position again after risking with what we have with our bullshit purple players policy. And yet has put more of his own money into it than anyone else in the history of the club. In fact he's probably the only person who has ever put any money into the club's coffers, apart from the few bob that we long suffering souls spend on them. He's a strange f***er. Due Diligence can do that to a bloke eh Ahh yes. The single most important thing when buying a business and the fat c*** didn't bother with it. SJH took him to the cleaners. The Hall and Shepherd clans certainly did very well out of the sale, but before Ashley came along the potential buyers who did do due diligence ran a mile. So maybe it's just as well for us (as well as the Halls and Shepherds) that Ashley didn't bother to have a proper look before he bought. There's no argument that he's f*cked up along the way but at least when he has had to put his hand in his pocket to pay for his f*ck ups he could afford it. Shepherd valued the club probably 1.5x more than what is worth. Absolutely mental. When anything ends up being sold the ultimate call on the value has to be with the person who decides to buy it. and the person who decides to sell it. Well....if no one wants to pay what the seller is asking it simply won't get sold, so ultimately if it does get sold it is because the buyer agreed a price. So it is the buyers call. I have no idea what Ashley could have bought the club for if he wanted to string it out but he agreed to pay £140 million - his decision. Like the Andy Carroll deal. Exactly. It was Liverpool's decision, for their own reasons, to offer us £35million. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 Ashley cares 0% about the club itself, the players and even less about the fans. These signings are simply to protect his investment and fits in his buy to sell for profit policy. At some point in the future if we don't go down we'll be back in this position again after risking with what we have with our bullshit purple players policy. And yet has put more of his own money into it than anyone else in the history of the club. In fact he's probably the only person who has ever put any money into the club's coffers, apart from the few bob that we long suffering souls spend on them. He's a strange f***er. Due Diligence can do that to a bloke eh Ahh yes. The single most important thing when buying a business and the fat c*** didn't bother with it. SJH took him to the cleaners. The Hall and Shepherd clans certainly did very well out of the sale, but before Ashley came along the potential buyers who did do due diligence ran a mile. So maybe it's just as well for us (as well as the Halls and Shepherds) that Ashley didn't bother to have a proper look before he bought. There's no argument that he's f*cked up along the way but at least when he has had to put his hand in his pocket to pay for his f*ck ups he could afford it. Shepherd valued the club probably 1.5x more than what is worth. Absolutely mental. When anything ends up being sold the ultimate call on the value has to be with the person who decides to buy it. and the person who decides to sell it. Well....if no one wants to pay what the seller is asking it simply won't get sold, so ultimately if it does get sold it is because the buyer agreed a price. So it is the buyers call. I have no idea what Ashley could have bought the club for if he wanted to string it out but he agreed to pay £140 million - his decision. But the seller has to put the product up for sale in the first place. So it's initially the seller's call. I'm pretty sure that was the case with Hall and Shepherd who held all the cards at one point. They only held all the cards if there was a ton of buyers out there willing to pay whatever they asked. Any final price is based entirely on what the buyer is willing to pay. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 Ashley cares 0% about the club itself, the players and even less about the fans. These signings are simply to protect his investment and fits in his buy to sell for profit policy. At some point in the future if we don't go down we'll be back in this position again after risking with what we have with our bullshit purple players policy. And yet has put more of his own money into it than anyone else in the history of the club. In fact he's probably the only person who has ever put any money into the club's coffers, apart from the few bob that we long suffering souls spend on them. He's a strange f***er. Due Diligence can do that to a bloke eh Ahh yes. The single most important thing when buying a business and the fat c*** didn't bother with it. SJH took him to the cleaners. The Hall and Shepherd clans certainly did very well out of the sale, but before Ashley came along the potential buyers who did do due diligence ran a mile. So maybe it's just as well for us (as well as the Halls and Shepherds) that Ashley didn't bother to have a proper look before he bought. There's no argument that he's f*cked up along the way but at least when he has had to put his hand in his pocket to pay for his f*ck ups he could afford it. Shepherd valued the club probably 1.5x more than what is worth. Absolutely mental. When anything ends up being sold the ultimate call on the value has to be with the person who decides to buy it. and the person who decides to sell it. Well....if no one wants to pay what the seller is asking it simply won't get sold, so ultimately if it does get sold it is because the buyer agreed a price. So it is the buyers call. I have no idea what Ashley could have bought the club for if he wanted to string it out but he agreed to pay £140 million - his decision. But the seller has to put the product up for sale in the first place. So it's initially the seller's call. I'm pretty sure that was the case with Hall and Shepherd who held all the cards at one point. They only held all the cards if there was a ton of buyers out there willing to pay whatever they asked. Any final price is based entirely on what the buyer is willing to pay. What if they didn't want to sell? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 Credit where credits due We end January with Debuchy Mbiwa Gouffran Haidara Sissoko Then a "Ashley " would not be out of order Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest malandro Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 Ashley cares 0% about the club itself, the players and even less about the fans. These signings are simply to protect his investment and fits in his buy to sell for profit policy. At some point in the future if we don't go down we'll be back in this position again after risking with what we have with our bullshit purple players policy. And yet has put more of his own money into it than anyone else in the history of the club. In fact he's probably the only person who has ever put any money into the club's coffers, apart from the few bob that we long suffering souls spend on them. He's a strange f***er. Due Diligence can do that to a bloke eh Ahh yes. The single most important thing when buying a business and the fat c*** didn't bother with it. SJH took him to the cleaners. The Hall and Shepherd clans certainly did very well out of the sale, but before Ashley came along the potential buyers who did do due diligence ran a mile. So maybe it's just as well for us (as well as the Halls and Shepherds) that Ashley didn't bother to have a proper look before he bought. There's no argument that he's f*cked up along the way but at least when he has had to put his hand in his pocket to pay for his f*ck ups he could afford it. Shepherd valued the club probably 1.5x more than what is worth. Absolutely mental. When anything ends up being sold the ultimate call on the value has to be with the person who decides to buy it. and the person who decides to sell it. Well....if no one wants to pay what the seller is asking it simply won't get sold, so ultimately if it does get sold it is because the buyer agreed a price. So it is the buyers call. I have no idea what Ashley could have bought the club for if he wanted to string it out but he agreed to pay £140 million - his decision. But the seller has to put the product up for sale in the first place. So it's initially the seller's call. I'm pretty sure that was the case with Hall and Shepherd who held all the cards at one point. Nobody forced MA to buy NUFC. SJH didn't hold a gun to his head and demand £135m. Out of interest, how much would a debt free NUFC have been worth in 2007? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest malandro Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 Credit where credits due We end January with Debuchy Mbiwa Gouffran Haidara Sissoko Then a "Ashley " would not be out of order Six months too late to warrant licking his arse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 Ashley cares 0% about the club itself, the players and even less about the fans. These signings are simply to protect his investment and fits in his buy to sell for profit policy. At some point in the future if we don't go down we'll be back in this position again after risking with what we have with our bullshit purple players policy. And yet has put more of his own money into it than anyone else in the history of the club. In fact he's probably the only person who has ever put any money into the club's coffers, apart from the few bob that we long suffering souls spend on them. He's a strange f***er. Due Diligence can do that to a bloke eh Ahh yes. The single most important thing when buying a business and the fat c*** didn't bother with it. SJH took him to the cleaners. The Hall and Shepherd clans certainly did very well out of the sale, but before Ashley came along the potential buyers who did do due diligence ran a mile. So maybe it's just as well for us (as well as the Halls and Shepherds) that Ashley didn't bother to have a proper look before he bought. There's no argument that he's f*cked up along the way but at least when he has had to put his hand in his pocket to pay for his f*ck ups he could afford it. Shepherd valued the club probably 1.5x more than what is worth. Absolutely mental. When anything ends up being sold the ultimate call on the value has to be with the person who decides to buy it. and the person who decides to sell it. Well....if no one wants to pay what the seller is asking it simply won't get sold, so ultimately if it does get sold it is because the buyer agreed a price. So it is the buyers call. I have no idea what Ashley could have bought the club for if he wanted to string it out but he agreed to pay £140 million - his decision. But the seller has to put the product up for sale in the first place. So it's initially the seller's call. I'm pretty sure that was the case with Hall and Shepherd who held all the cards at one point. They only held all the cards if there was a ton of buyers out there willing to pay whatever they asked. Any final price is based entirely on what the buyer is willing to pay. What if they didn't want to sell? Then we might finally have had the fabled team of Geordies they kept banging on about. /sorry, thought the discussion was about how the sale price was decided... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
quayside Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 Ashley cares 0% about the club itself, the players and even less about the fans. These signings are simply to protect his investment and fits in his buy to sell for profit policy. At some point in the future if we don't go down we'll be back in this position again after risking with what we have with our bullshit purple players policy. And yet has put more of his own money into it than anyone else in the history of the club. In fact he's probably the only person who has ever put any money into the club's coffers, apart from the few bob that we long suffering souls spend on them. He's a strange f***er. Due Diligence can do that to a bloke eh Ahh yes. The single most important thing when buying a business and the fat c*** didn't bother with it. SJH took him to the cleaners. The Hall and Shepherd clans certainly did very well out of the sale, but before Ashley came along the potential buyers who did do due diligence ran a mile. So maybe it's just as well for us (as well as the Halls and Shepherds) that Ashley didn't bother to have a proper look before he bought. There's no argument that he's f*cked up along the way but at least when he has had to put his hand in his pocket to pay for his f*ck ups he could afford it. Shepherd valued the club probably 1.5x more than what is worth. Absolutely mental. When anything ends up being sold the ultimate call on the value has to be with the person who decides to buy it. and the person who decides to sell it. Well....if no one wants to pay what the seller is asking it simply won't get sold, so ultimately if it does get sold it is because the buyer agreed a price. So it is the buyers call. I have no idea what Ashley could have bought the club for if he wanted to string it out but he agreed to pay £140 million - his decision. But the seller has to put the product up for sale in the first place. So it's initially the seller's call. I'm pretty sure that was the case with Hall and Shepherd who held all the cards at one point. But my post said that the ultimate call on the value is with the buyer, not the initial call on the decision to sell. The value is only set in stone when the buyer agrees a price. Anyway going back to Hall and Shepherd, there had been potential interested parties but they had not wanted to pursue it once they looked at the true state of the finances. The situation was not good for Shepherd and Hall. I'm not sure why you think they held all the cards? I'm not sure this debate is worth this much space tbh. I happen to think that Ashley didn't do much work on the club's financial situation, and decided to pay £140 million because he thought it was a decent price and wanted to buy it, simple as. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 FAT MAN Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 Credit where credits due We end January with Debuchy Mbiwa Gouffran Haidara Sissoko Then a "Ashley " would not be out of order Six months too late to warrant licking his arse. Not sure how you've managed it, but you seem to be confusing this - with this - http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr175/disabile/EMOTICONS/asslick.gif Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 Krul - £150k Debuchy - £5.5m Santon - £5.3m Mbiwa - £6.7m Coloccini - £10.3m Tiote - £3.5m Anita - £6.7m Cabaye - £4.5m Ben Arfa - £5.5m Cisse - £9m Gouffran - £1.8m Obviously there's one or two exceptions in there, but a fair bit of money has been spent. Would like to see a comparison of our first-team total costs compared to the likes of Everton and even Spurs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belfast Mags Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 Krul - £150k Debuchy - £5.5m Santon - £5.3m Mbiwa - £6.7m Coloccini - £10.3m Tiote - £3.5m Anita - £6.7m Cabaye - £4.5m Ben Arfa - £5.5m Cisse - £9m Gouffran - £1.8m Obviously there's one or two exceptions in there, but a fair bit of money has been spent. Would like to see a comparison of our first-team total costs compared to the likes of Everton and even Spurs. There's not a single player over priced there IMHO. Cabaye - 4.5m that is epic business by any yardstick. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 Ashley cares 0% about the club itself, the players and even less about the fans. These signings are simply to protect his investment and fits in his buy to sell for profit policy. At some point in the future if we don't go down we'll be back in this position again after risking with what we have with our bullshit purple players policy. And yet has put more of his own money into it than anyone else in the history of the club. In fact he's probably the only person who has ever put any money into the club's coffers, apart from the few bob that we long suffering souls spend on them. He's a strange f***er. Due Diligence can do that to a bloke eh Ahh yes. The single most important thing when buying a business and the fat c*** didn't bother with it. SJH took him to the cleaners. The Hall and Shepherd clans certainly did very well out of the sale, but before Ashley came along the potential buyers who did do due diligence ran a mile. So maybe it's just as well for us (as well as the Halls and Shepherds) that Ashley didn't bother to have a proper look before he bought. There's no argument that he's f*cked up along the way but at least when he has had to put his hand in his pocket to pay for his f*ck ups he could afford it. Shepherd valued the club probably 1.5x more than what is worth. Absolutely mental. When anything ends up being sold the ultimate call on the value has to be with the person who decides to buy it. and the person who decides to sell it. Well....if no one wants to pay what the seller is asking it simply won't get sold, so ultimately if it does get sold it is because the buyer agreed a price. So it is the buyers call. I have no idea what Ashley could have bought the club for if he wanted to string it out but he agreed to pay £140 million - his decision. But the seller has to put the product up for sale in the first place. So it's initially the seller's call. I'm pretty sure that was the case with Hall and Shepherd who held all the cards at one point. But my post said that the ultimate call on the value is with the buyer, not the initial call on the decision to sell. The value is only set in stone when the buyer agrees a price. Anyway going back to Hall and Shepherd, there had been potential interested parties but they had not wanted to pursue it once they looked at the true state of the finances. The situation was not good for Shepherd and Hall. I'm not sure why you think they held all the cards? Because they owned the club, lock, stock and barrel. Why sell shares to anyone unless you intend to? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 Dunno like, think Den Haag shafted us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 Credit where credits due We end January with Debuchy Mbiwa Gouffran Haidara Sissoko Then a "Ashley " would not be out of order You're so fickle, Skirge. All of these players should have been in long before now. If they had been, we might not be in the position we are today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 Lloris - £8m Walker - £0 Vertonghen - £12m Kaboul - £8m Assou-Ekotto - £3.5m Lennon - £1m Dembele - £15m Sandro - £8m Bale - £5m Defoe - £15m Adebayor - £5m Guessing their team like, Dempsey was £6m if he plays. Sigurdsson was £7m if he plays. That's the big difference of course. Their squad is much deeper. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 Fair difference then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 Lloris - £8m Walker - £0 Vertonghen - £12m Kaboul - £8m Assou-Ekotto - £3.5m Lennon - £1m Dembele - £15m Sandro - £8m Bale - £5m Defoe - £15m Adebayor - £5m Guessing their team like, Dempsey was £6m if he plays. Sigurdsson was £7m if he plays. That's the big difference of course. Their squad is much deeper. Tottenham bought Kyle Walker, cost a combined fee with Kyle Naughton, just under £10m for the two i think. Both from Sheff Utd. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 Lloris - £8m Walker - £0 Vertonghen - £12m Kaboul - £8m Assou-Ekotto - £3.5m Lennon - £1m Dembele - £15m Sandro - £8m Bale - £5m Defoe - £15m Adebayor - £5m Guessing their team like, Dempsey was £6m if he plays. Sigurdsson was £7m if he plays. That's the big difference of course. Their squad is much deeper. Fair difference then. Aye, we'd never be stupid enough to pay £15m for Jermaine Defoe Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 Howard - £3m Coleman - £60k Jagielka - £4m Distin - £5m Baines - £6m Neville - £3.5m Osman - £0 Pienaar - £4.5m Mirallas - £6m Fellaini - £15m Jelavic - £5.5m Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 Six months too late is infinitely better than "never", which is what I was expecting. Happy days. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belfast Mags Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 Howard - £3m Coleman - £60k Jagielka - £4m Distin - £5m Baines - £6m Neville - £3.5m Osman - £0 Pienaar - £4.5m Mirallas - £6m Fellaini - £15m Jelavic - £5.5m Some good business there too tbf. Reckon yer man Mirallas could be a beast for them in the long run (if he can stay fit) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miercoles Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 Six months too late is infinitely better than "never", which is what I was expecting. Happy days. My sentiments exactly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 Six months too late is infinitely better than "never", which is what I was expecting. Happy days. My sentiments exactly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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