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Kills to see how sanitised the atmosphere is at SJP compared to that. I'd love to be able to experience that every other week at SJP.

 

But you might say Ashley is a nasty pasty or stand up so some old, whinging whatever can't see. Can't possibly have that man. How dare you suggest this? Now sit down, shut up and buy some merchandise.

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touchy :lol:

 

Sorry but it just gets under my skin for someone to suggest we aren't as passionate as fans of other clubs because they're XX years old and football only started getting a fair go in places like America 15 - 20 years ago and only 4 years ago in Australia.

 

I appriciate you support  O0...

but I can't imagine me to support club which is franchise. What if this club change name, colours (for sponsors) or change city.

 

Even more annoying because the USA and China will win the World Cup in the next 40 - 50 years and football over in Asia and the US will dwarf Europe.

 

Yes, and one African nation will win World cup before 2000.

 

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touchy :lol:

 

Sorry but it just gets under my skin for someone to suggest we aren't as passionate as fans of other clubs because they're XX years old and football only started getting a fair go in places like America 15 - 20 years ago and only 4 years ago in Australia.

 

I appriciate you support  O0...

but I can't imagine me to support club which is franchise. What if this club change name, colours (for sponsors) or change city.

 

 

The clubs that have moved/ceased to be have done so due to lack of support. The clubs shown in this thread are not likely to suffer the same fate.

 

The 'change colours for sponsors' point (NYRB) is a different matter altogether, and is not something that only US teams have endured.

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touchy :lol:

 

Sorry but it just gets under my skin for someone to suggest we aren't as passionate as fans of other clubs because they're XX years old and football only started getting a fair go in places like America 15 - 20 years ago and only 4 years ago in Australia.

 

I appriciate you support  O0...

but I can't imagine me to support club which is franchise. What if this club change name, colours (for sponsors) or change city.

 

 

The clubs that have moved/ceased to be have done so due to lack of support. The clubs shown in this thread are not likely to suffer the same fate.

 

The 'change colours for sponsors' point (NYRB) is a different matter altogether, and is not something that only US teams have endured.

 

I'm fairly sure that some Austrian club had three names at one point, on account of the sponsor.

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touchy :lol:

 

Sorry but it just gets under my skin for someone to suggest we aren't as passionate as fans of other clubs because they're XX years old and football only started getting a fair go in places like America 15 - 20 years ago and only 4 years ago in Australia.

 

I appriciate you support  O0...

but I can't imagine me to support club which is franchise. What if this club change name, colours (for sponsors) or change city.

 

 

The clubs that have moved/ceased to be have done so due to lack of support. The clubs shown in this thread are not likely to suffer the same fate.

 

The 'change colours for sponsors' point (NYRB) is a different matter altogether, and is not something that only US teams have endured.

 

I'm fairly sure that some Austrian club had three names at one point, on account of the sponsor.

 

Dunno about 3 names but...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FC_Red_Bull_Salzburg

 

NYRB are a disgrace. They have no support in the city, and they have brought it over themselves to be frank.

 

I don't really know their history so much. I did go to a game. It's more of a tourist thing than a football club.

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:lol: That last sentence.

 

Even if US and Asian football dwarf European football fact is China or the US will never win a World Cup in the next 100 years (if I live the day that happens I promise to 'drink my own p*ss and eat my own s***'. Fact is South American football is still the biggest obstacle for anyone to overcome, the best players come from there and also the biggest nation in football. European football have due to our/their economic advantages been able to challenge South American football but talent wise South American football is still above any other thing.

 

I can also promise you that China has a too small tradition for it to in 50years become the greatest footballing nation and US might as well with their economic future looking terrible be a 3rd world country in 50 years time (not really but you should understand where I'm going).

 

It's simple, the US or China will never in my lifetime win a world cup, end of.

 

Keep living in denial. All football needs in China is for them to win one Asian Champions League or one Asian Cup or it could even happen when China hosts a World Cup with the new football set up over there in 2004 and shits going to become ridiculous. Dont believe me: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dar%C3%ADo_Conca

 

The money is there, the player pool is getting there as is the infrastructure and one big tournament win or hosting the World Cup will set China off.

 

As for america. The infrastructure already in place is just too good for them not to win a World Cup (hazarding a guess I would say the USA will win a WC not only before China but also before England win another) and again all that needs to happen is that one thing that will set them over the edge. As soon as athletes start turning down the NFL to pursue a football career in college or the USAFA goes through with the Ajax style accademies they were researching they will be within 2 tournaments of a WC title.

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touchy :lol:

 

Sorry but it just gets under my skin for someone to suggest we aren't as passionate as fans of other clubs because they're XX years old and football only started getting a fair go in places like America 15 - 20 years ago and only 4 years ago in Australia.

 

I appriciate you support  O0...

but I can't imagine me to support club which is franchise. What if this club change name, colours (for sponsors) or change city.

 

 

The clubs that have moved/ceased to be have done so due to lack of support. The clubs shown in this thread are not likely to suffer the same fate.

 

The 'change colours for sponsors' point (NYRB) is a different matter altogether, and is not something that only US teams have endured.

 

I'm fairly sure that some Austrian club had three names at one point, on account of the sponsor.

 

Dunno about 3 names but...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FC_Red_Bull_Salzburg

 

NYRB are a disgrace. They have no support in the city, and they have brought it over themselves to be frank.

 

I don't really know their history so much. I did go to a game. It's more of a tourist thing than a football club.

 

"FC Red Bull Salzburg was founded on 13 September 1933 as SV Austria Salzburg. In 1950, the club was dissolved but later that year re-founded for the first time. In 1978, the official name was changed to SV Casino Salzburg and in 1997, to SV Wüstenrot Salzburg, while the common calling name remained SV Austria Salzburg. The Red Bull company bought the club on 6 April 2005 and rebranded it.

 

After the takeover, Red Bull changed the club's name, management, and staff, declaring "this is a new club with no history." Red Bull initially claimed on the club website that the club was founded in 2005, but was ordered to remove this claim by the Austrian F.A. The new authority removed all trace of violet from the club logo and the team now play in the colours of red and white, to the consternation of much of the club's traditional support."

 

So Ashley putting his company's name on the stand isn't a big deal.

 

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It's funny how none of the fans shown seem to have spontaneously combusted as a result of standing up and going mental at football. Odd that.

 

More than likely going to a Bundesliga game before the year is out n all. Should be interesting to see the differences between there and the Premya Leeeeg.

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touchy :lol:

 

Sorry but it just gets under my skin for someone to suggest we aren't as passionate as fans of other clubs because they're XX years old and football only started getting a fair go in places like America 15 - 20 years ago and only 4 years ago in Australia.

 

I appriciate you support  O0...

but I can't imagine me to support club which is franchise. What if this club change name, colours (for sponsors) or change city.

 

 

The clubs that have moved/ceased to be have done so due to lack of support. The clubs shown in this thread are not likely to suffer the same fate.

 

The 'change colours for sponsors' point (NYRB) is a different matter altogether, and is not something that only US teams have endured.

 

I'm fairly sure that some Austrian club had three names at one point, on account of the sponsor.

 

Dunno about 3 names but...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FC_Red_Bull_Salzburg

 

NYRB are a disgrace. They have no support in the city, and they have brought it over themselves to be frank.

 

I don't really know their history so much. I did go to a game. It's more of a tourist thing than a football club.

 

They draw miserable crowds while in one of biggest towns in the world, a town that has a very large football following. The reason is that they failed to engage the local fans since the club's inception and almost every decision going forward (failure to incorporate the Cosmos legacy, using the Giants stadium, selling the club to RB...) has made things progressively worse, resulting in the several attempts to creative alternative New York clubs. The main problem that has doomed the club since its inception, in my opinion, is the fact that they tried to cater more to the "eurosnobs" (people that watch and follow European football in the US) than the grassroots football fans in town. Eurosnobs will sit and watch the Premier League instead of going to New Jersey to see Juan Pablo Ángel trying to find his legs.

 

Red Bull has tried hard to win people back, the new stadium is a beauty, but having your football club named after an energy drink... people that grew up watching the New York Cosmos will never accept that.

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touchy :lol:

 

Sorry but it just gets under my skin for someone to suggest we aren't as passionate as fans of other clubs because they're XX years old and football only started getting a fair go in places like America 15 - 20 years ago and only 4 years ago in Australia.

 

I appriciate you support  O0...

but I can't imagine me to support club which is franchise. What if this club change name, colours (for sponsors) or change city.

 

 

The clubs that have moved/ceased to be have done so due to lack of support. The clubs shown in this thread are not likely to suffer the same fate.

 

The 'change colours for sponsors' point (NYRB) is a different matter altogether, and is not something that only US teams have endured.

 

I wont lie I am not the biggest fan of franchises either but people (especially Europeans because the sporting landscape is so different) dont understand that the franchises need to happen. The FA's in our country need some form of control over the clubs. Name changes, moving, colour changes are not something taken as lightly as people think. The other thing people seem to miss is that the core group of teams (at least in Australia) formed from the old teams and they respect the history of the past. Sydney FC = Sydney Hakoah, Adelaide United = Adelaide United, Brisbane Roar = Brisbane Lions, Perth Glory = Perth Glory. They are new teams yes but to change the colours, names or move these teams would be suicide. The moving teams has been adopted from AFL the biggest sport in this country (and in terms of crowds only beaten by the NFL in America and the Bundesliga). They learnt that it is better to move a franchise than to let it die. By moving it you can respect its past and still move forwards and though no franchise has moved as such in Australia (one team moved stadiums to a purpose built football stadium rather than an AFL/cricket ground) if the FFA decides it needs to happen to save a team then who are we to argue if we haven't put our money in to a team.

 

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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/51309-the-us-will-win-a-world-cup-before-i-die

 

Here is a good article about what I am trying to explain. Once the US starts keeping there best players in America (its already slowly started look at Landon Donovan) the increased interest in the sport and quality of the league will push them on to a WC victory. Will be the same thing with China. Players not good enough you say:

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shinji_Kagawa

 

Kid was playing in the second division in Japan and he is one of the best players in Germany now.

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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/51309-the-us-will-win-a-world-cup-before-i-die

 

Here is a good article about what I am trying to explain. Once the US starts keeping there best players in America (its already slowly started look at Landon Donovan) the increased interest in the sport and quality of the league will push them on to a WC victory. Will be the same thing with China. Players not good enough you say:

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shinji_Kagawa

 

Kid was playing in the second division in Japan and he is one of the best players in Germany now.

 

Kagawa is on good way to be quality player in one of top 5 european leagues. Since Nakata (who was just few seasons key player for Perugia and Roma) which player Japan produced of this quality?

 

Same question is with Donovan, after him, which 'top player' US produced,? not gk

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Assuming the top 5 are EPL, Serie A, Bundesliga, La Liga and Ligue 1:

 

Steve Cherundolo, Tim Chandler and Clint Dempsey currently. Heaps of young kids are breaking through now in Germany and will soon be starters for club and country. The Americans however are moving beyond the "send them overseas" stage of thinking and are starting to hold on to talent which will be a massive step towards improving the MLS and making a building block for a WC winning team.

 

The Japanese one is a moot point but Asia has produced very few players of high enough quality but with AFC as a whole improving expect a lot of kids to start coming out to Europe in the next 10 years time. Of course we then have to wait another 10 years or so for everyone to catch up with Japan who are the stand out country in the confedoration producing a lot of top quality players who stay in Japan now who could make it in Europe. Kazu has become such a superstar in Japan and players are now coming through but because of the Japanese culture most stay in country. Endo is a great example as he could have easily made it in the worlds biggest leagues. Okazaki, Haraguchi, Yoshida and Sakai are all going to have very solid careers and that is without even including the younger kids who have even beetter technical and physical attributes.

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Asia and USA will never have the power in the sport of football that Europe and South America has, because they have never had, and will never have the footballing culture.

 

Lol. Did you bother to look at any of the videos posted. Your view is naive. Football is new in Asia and the USA. It is only going to get bigger and from then it is a simple numbers game. It wont be that hard for them to find, train and polish 26 players good enough to win a World Cup. Look at the ammount of Japanese being bought into Europe now days because of the technical skills they posses. Funny thing is Japan only has 120 million people. The US has 300 million and China 1.3 billion. So you want to tell me that when the government or public decide it is time to win a World Cup they wont be capable of it.

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