BlueStar Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 Yet they were ok to wear virgin money which charges interest etc ? If it was a player in Peta I imagine they might have put up with Tesco even though they sold meat, but might have reservations about being sponsored by Huntington Life Sciences Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueStar Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 Sounds very much like the FA may place restrictions on where they can use the branding from some of these articles like Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sicko2ndbest Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 The hypocrisy of do-gooders is startling Banks have left the country in ruin, what moral high ground do they have to sponsor the league. Gambling and Alcohol, which wreck more lives than any pay day lender, get off scot free Embarassing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueStar Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 20 pages of championing personal responsibility 'If you get into a deal with a company like Wonga it's your own fault, it's your choice, no-one forces you to' and then when it looks like there might be repercussions from us signing up to a four year deal with a company whose business model is seen as immoral and potentially illegal somehow it's not fair. Yeah, hypocrisy is the word. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/why-wonga-has-no-place-on-a-newcastle-united-1369780 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuyP Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/why-wonga-has-no-place-on-a-newcastle-united-1369780 Good article, even if a bit romantic about our stature. That being said, as soon as i saw it was written by Simon Bird, i immediately thought "you're a cunt" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlufPurdi Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 20 pages of championing personal responsibility 'If you get into a deal with a company like Wonga it's your own fault, it's your choice, no-one forces you to' and then when it looks like there might be repercussions from us signing up to a four year deal with a company whose business model is seen as immoral and potentially illegal somehow it's not fair. Yeah, hypocrisy is the word. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliottman Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 This club attracts an awful lot of attention mind doesnt it. Wonder if Wigan or Aston Villa were to be sponsored by Wonga would there be the same amount of interest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 Just read the Sun article about the terrible company and the Muslim Sharia law thing, and there's an advert at the bottom of the page for Quick Quid Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 Newcastle's Muslim stars told: Don't play in new 'Wonga' tops Controversy grows over £24m shirt deal with moneylenders as FA plans talks Newcastle United's £24m shirt sponsorship deal with Wonga was engulfed in fresh controversy last night when the club's Muslim players were warned that wearing the new shirts would infringe Sharia law. The intervention from the Muslim Council of Britain will heap further pressure on the club as it seeks to deflect widespread criticism after unveiling a four-year deal with the short-term loan company. Of the Newcastle team who took the field against Manchester United on Sunday, four are practising Muslims – Demba Ba, Papiss Cissé, Cheick Tioté and Hatem Ben Arfa. ... Whilst it is accepted that Wonga have not behaved improperly it came in for further criticism from the Muslim Council of Britain. Under Sharia law, a Muslim is not allowed to benefit from lending money or receiving money from someone. This means that earning interest is not allowed. To comply, interest is not paid on Islamic savings or current accounts or applied to Islamic mortgages. Shaykh Ibrahim Mogra, assistant secretary general of the MCB, said: "There are two aspects to this. We have the rulings of the religious law and we have the individual's choice and decision on how they want to follow or not follow that rule. "The idea is to protect the vulnerable and the needy from exploitation by the rich and powerful. When they are lending and are charging large amounts of interest, it means the poor will have short-term benefit from the loan but long-term difficulty in paying it back because the rate of interest is not something they can keep up with. The Islamic system is based on a non-interest-based system of transaction." Frédéric Kanouté, the former Spurs striker, refused to wear the 888.com logo of the gambling website when he was with Seville in La Liga because of his religious beliefs. He was allowed to play games for Seville with an unbranded shirt but had to wear the logo on his training equipment. "Freddie was allowed to wear a top without the 888.com and that is a reasonable request to be made by the player," added Mogra. "Assuming all four are on the pitch at the same time, if you have seven out of 11 [who have the advertising on their shirts] you have sufficient coverage. It is not asking too much, I believe." The Football Association entered the debate when its general secretary, Alex Horne, expressed his reservations about Newcastle's deal. "The Football Supporters' Federation of Britain told us in no uncertain terms it's not appropriate, [sunderland non-executive vice-president] David Miliband has told us he does not think it is appropriate," Horne said. "We are talking to the leagues on Friday about it. If you consider it as in the category of things that are inappropriate for children like gambling and alcohol, it feels like it is in that category to me." http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/newcastles-muslim-stars-told-dont-play-in-new-wonga-tops-8204411.html Christ almighty. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 http://www.brushfiresmt.com/index_files/image1158.gif The moral compass is about to BLOW Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Shays Given Tim Flowers Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 This club Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 Payday loan company Wonga has been told by the Office of Fair Trading (OFT) it must improve its debt collection practices, after it emerged it had sent letters to customers accusing them of committing fraud. The OFT said it had seen letters sent out to borrowers who were struggling with repayments suggesting they may be guilty of fraud, and that Wonga would consider contacting the police if the customer did not act as it requested. The regulator said Wonga, which has attracted criticism for the high interest rates it charges on short-term borrowing, had sent the letters without having sufficient evidence that fraud had been committed. The letters were sent to people who had made a payment to Wonga and then contacted their bank to ask it to retract the payment, and to people who had fallen behind on repayments and entered a debt management plan. The OFT said it had also seen a call script used by Wonga which told customers working in the public or financial sectors that their terms of employment said they should not be in debt. A spokesman for the regulator said he was not able to say how many customers had received these communications, but "it was not a one-off letter". Wonga has now been told it must not send such letters again and could face a fine of up to £50,000 for every instance of it breaking the rule. Evidence of the practice first emerged in October 2010, and the OFT proposed a requirement on Wonga in July 2011 not to send the letters again, but the lengthy legal processes involved mean it has only now been able to make public the requirement. David Fisher, OFT Director of Consumer Credit, said: "We have acted to ensure that Wonga does not behave this way again. I would like to make it clear to businesses that they must not adopt aggressive or misleading practices with their customers." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jimmyc84 Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 I wonder if the sponsorship money will cover the lost revenue from the inevitable drop in kit sales. I know I'll never wear a shirt with 'wonga' on it and I'm sure I'm not the only one. I doubt Puma/whoever else mufactures our kit in future will be too happy either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hydeous Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 Every day is exciting on here. What a wongaful world! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 Sharia law, D Miliband and the FA can all fuck off tbh. Very few, if any, sponsors have any kind of moral standing, and play a positive role in society. Even Barcelona under UNICEF. The UN including all of its sub-organizations is the biggest scam in recent times and causes far more death and misery the world over than Wonga. I am by no means defending Wonga, but people truly can fuck off with the double standards. If Al Qaeda wanted to sponsor some football team's shirts, they wouldn't look out of place with some of the other names on show. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilson Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 24 million? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shays Given Tim Flowers Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 Sharia law, D Miliband and the FA can all f*** off tbh. Very few, if any, sponsors have any kind of moral standing, and play a positive role in society. Even Barcelona under UNICEF. The UN including all of its sub-organizations is the biggest scam in recent times and causes far more death and misery the world over than Wonga. I am by no means defending Wonga, but people truly can f*** off with the double standards. If Al Qaeda wanted to sponsor some football team's shirts, they wouldn't look out of place with some of the other names on show. Sharia Law is a really poor choice of words from the Independent. It has extremely powerful and negative connotations. The Old Testament/Torah forbids usury (making loans with excessive interest rates) so if for example we had Orthodox Jews or Christians playing for us there would probably be similar advice coming from the relevant bodies. The fact that our Muslim players take their faith seriously isn't any great problem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 24 million? Over 4 years is pretty crap in all honesty. Defnitely not worth all the aggro and the pr hit the club will take and the fact it will scare off other brands and partners and advertisers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shays Given Tim Flowers Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 Yes but you have to remember Ashley is pumping in £20 million a year too! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 Yes but you have to remember Ashley is pumping in £20 million a year too! Yeah whatever happnned to that little gem? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 Yes but you have to remember Ashley is pumping in £20 million a year too! He's not anymore. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shays Given Tim Flowers Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 Yes but you have to remember Ashley is pumping in £20 million a year too! He's not anymore. I know. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 Newcastle's Muslim stars told: Don't play in new 'Wonga' tops Controversy grows over £24m shirt deal with moneylenders as FA plans talks Newcastle United's £24m shirt sponsorship deal with Wonga was engulfed in fresh controversy last night when the club's Muslim players were warned that wearing the new shirts would infringe Sharia law. The intervention from the Muslim Council of Britain will heap further pressure on the club as it seeks to deflect widespread criticism after unveiling a four-year deal with the short-term loan company. Of the Newcastle team who took the field against Manchester United on Sunday, four are practising Muslims – Demba Ba, Papiss Cissé, Cheick Tioté and Hatem Ben Arfa. ... Whilst it is accepted that Wonga have not behaved improperly it came in for further criticism from the Muslim Council of Britain. Under Sharia law, a Muslim is not allowed to benefit from lending money or receiving money from someone. This means that earning interest is not allowed. To comply, interest is not paid on Islamic savings or current accounts or applied to Islamic mortgages. Shaykh Ibrahim Mogra, assistant secretary general of the MCB, said: "There are two aspects to this. We have the rulings of the religious law and we have the individual's choice and decision on how they want to follow or not follow that rule. "The idea is to protect the vulnerable and the needy from exploitation by the rich and powerful. When they are lending and are charging large amounts of interest, it means the poor will have short-term benefit from the loan but long-term difficulty in paying it back because the rate of interest is not something they can keep up with. The Islamic system is based on a non-interest-based system of transaction." Frédéric Kanouté, the former Spurs striker, refused to wear the 888.com logo of the gambling website when he was with Seville in La Liga because of his religious beliefs. He was allowed to play games for Seville with an unbranded shirt but had to wear the logo on his training equipment. "Freddie was allowed to wear a top without the 888.com and that is a reasonable request to be made by the player," added Mogra. "Assuming all four are on the pitch at the same time, if you have seven out of 11 [who have the advertising on their shirts] you have sufficient coverage. It is not asking too much, I believe." The Football Association entered the debate when its general secretary, Alex Horne, expressed his reservations about Newcastle's deal. "The Football Supporters' Federation of Britain told us in no uncertain terms it's not appropriate, [sunderland non-executive vice-president] David Miliband has told us he does not think it is appropriate," Horne said. "We are talking to the leagues on Friday about it. If you consider it as in the category of things that are inappropriate for children like gambling and alcohol, it feels like it is in that category to me." http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/newcastles-muslim-stars-told-dont-play-in-new-wonga-tops-8204411.html To be honest, if such fuss weren't made out of this I don't think our Muslim players would care that much. (we're still not sure if they do, tbh.) They all play in shorts (which is forbidden!!!!) after all. Islam and long-bearded Muslims piss me off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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