Monkey Alan Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 (edited) Pet hate here but the people complaining about offsides never offer a workable alternative approach. Offside calls must be reduced to millimetres. There is no other way to do it. You can measure from the chest or foot or you can introduce daylight. You still have to make a decision based on the smallest margin we can hope to measure. Giving forwards 'the advantage' or 'a little bit of leeway' is no solution either, for how much do you propose to give? 30cm? 31cm? You'll still be faced with the matter of comparing this week's 'leeway' to last week's. Unless, of course, you just don't want to see VAR intervention, in which case, prepare yourselves for Man United and Liverpool scoring goals whilst 10 yards offside. Edited June 22 by Monkey Alan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 1 hour ago, Monkey Alan said: Pet hate here but the people complaining about offsides never offer a workable alternative approach. Offside calls must be reduced to millimetres. There is no other way to do it. You can measure from the chest or foot or you can introduce daylight. You still have to make a decision based on the smallest margin we can hope to measure. Giving forwards 'the advantage' or 'a little bit of leeway' is no solution either, for how much do you propose to give? 30cm? 31cm? You'll still be faced with the matter of comparing this week's 'leeway' to last week's. Unless, of course, you just don't want to VAR intervention, in which case, prepare yourselves for Man United and Liverpool scoring goals whilst 10 yards offside. Pretty sure in the dutch league, the lines were drawn much thicker and if they intersected at all, the on field call stood. A much, much better way of doing it, means that we're not changing decisions on the smallest of margins. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Alan Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 (edited) 3 hours ago, Nobody said: Pretty sure in the dutch league, the lines were drawn much thicker and if they intersected at all, the on field call stood. A much, much better way of doing it, means that we're not changing decisions on the smallest of margins. So millimetres between two thick lines instead of two thin lines, two feet or two chests? Whichever way you cut it, you're always going to have to ask your VAR men to make the finest of fine judgements. Edited June 22 by Monkey Alan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgarve Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 2 hours ago, Nobody said: Pretty sure in the dutch league, the lines were drawn much thicker and if they intersected at all, the on field call stood. A much, much better way of doing it, means that we're not changing decisions on the smallest of margins. You realise that’s the same thing right? 😂😂 whether a line is 5cm thick or 1mm thick the point of intersection is still a finite point somewhere Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erikse Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 (edited) 4 hours ago, Monkey Alan said: Pet hate here but the people complaining about offsides never offer a workable alternative approach. Offside calls must be reduced to millimetres. There is no other way to do it. You can measure from the chest or foot or you can introduce daylight. You still have to make a decision based on the smallest margin we can hope to measure. Giving forwards 'the advantage' or 'a little bit of leeway' is no solution either, for how much do you propose to give? 30cm? 31cm? You'll still be faced with the matter of comparing this week's 'leeway' to last week's. Unless, of course, you just don't want to VAR intervention, in which case, prepare yourselves for Man United and Liverpool scoring goals whilst 10 yards offside. It's like that with handball aswell. People will complain nomatter what the rule is. Change it to just "intentional" = subjective and inconsistent refereeing. Edited June 22 by Erikse Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUFCDoog Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 4 hours ago, Monkey Alan said: Pet hate here but the people complaining about offsides never offer a workable alternative approach. Offside calls must be reduced to millimetres. There is no other way to do it. You can measure from the chest or foot or you can introduce daylight. You still have to make a decision based on the smallest margin we can hope to measure. Giving forwards 'the advantage' or 'a little bit of leeway' is no solution either, for how much do you propose to give? 30cm? 31cm? You'll still be faced with the matter of comparing this week's 'leeway' to last week's. Unless, of course, you just don't want to VAR intervention, in which case, prepare yourselves for Man United and Liverpool scoring goals whilst 10 yards offside. The Wenger one makes the most sense surely? If any part of your body is onside then it's not off. Would cut down on it loads as the tight ones are always wheres he's off by a toenail or some other shite when most his body is onside. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 36 minutes ago, tgarve said: You realise that’s the same thing right? 😂😂 whether a line is 5cm thick or 1mm thick the point of intersection is still a finite point somewhere The thicker the line, the more of an advantage it is to the attacker. There'll still be speculation but it would atleast reduce the chance of legitimate goals being chalked off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Alan Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 (edited) 46 minutes ago, NUFCDoog said: The Wenger one makes the most sense surely? If any part of your body is onside then it's not off. Would cut down on it loads as the tight ones are always wheres he's off by a toenail or some other shite when most his body is onside. It wouldn't cut down on tight decisions; it would merely change the point from which the measurement is taken. Toenails aside, I don't like the idea of allowing centre forwards to stand goalside of defenders and be able to play themselves onside by keeping a hand on the defender's wrist. That's just a personal preference though. Edited June 22 by Monkey Alan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erikse Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 (edited) 43 minutes ago, NUFCDoog said: The Wenger one makes the most sense surely? If any part of your body is onside then it's not off. Would cut down on it loads as the tight ones are always wheres he's off by a toenail or some other shite when most his body is onside. And then he's onside because a fraction of his shoe is on, because a fraction of the defenders shoe lines up with it. Edited June 22 by Erikse Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 1 hour ago, tgarve said: You realise that’s the same thing right? 😂😂 whether a line is 5cm thick or 1mm thick the point of intersection is still a finite point somewhere It's not. If the lines are 3m thick, it has to be a massive fuck up by the linesman for the on field decision to not stand. It’s a way of making it 'clear and obvious' for offsides as well Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Alan Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 10 minutes ago, Nobody said: It's not. If the lines are 3m thick, it has to be a massive fuck up by the linesman for the on field decision to not stand. It’s a way of making it 'clear and obvious' for offsides as well If the thick lines overlap by 1 millimetre, it's offside. And if they are set apart by a gap of 1 millimetre, it's onside. I can't see how we're not still working with the tiniest of margins. You might have to draw a diagram for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 1 minute ago, Monkey Alan said: If the thick lines overlap by 1 millimetre, it's offside. And if they are set apart by a gap of 1 millimetre, it's onside. I can't see how we're not still working with the tiniest of margins. You might have to draw a diagram for me. It's about what the linesman calls then. If he has called offside and there's intersection, then it's offside. A player would have to be miles offside and the linesman misses it for VAR to intervene in that case. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 On 22/06/2024 at 05:52, Monkey Alan said: Pet hate here but the people complaining about offsides never offer a workable alternative approach. Offside calls must be reduced to millimetres. There is no other way to do it. You can measure from the chest or foot or you can introduce daylight. You still have to make a decision based on the smallest margin we can hope to measure. Giving forwards 'the advantage' or 'a little bit of leeway' is no solution either, for how much do you propose to give? 30cm? 31cm? You'll still be faced with the matter of comparing this week's 'leeway' to last week's. Unless, of course, you just don't want to see VAR intervention, in which case, prepare yourselves for Man United and Liverpool scoring goals whilst 10 yards offside. It’s always going to be measured in fractions but visually the difference will be half a yard so it’s more palatable if giving off when 99/100ths of the body is ahead of play rather 1/100th. Never understand why this is so hard to comprehend. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Alan Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 1 hour ago, LFEE said: It’s always going to be measured in fractions but visually the difference will be half a yard so it’s more palatable if giving off when 99/100ths of the body is ahead of play rather 1/100th. Never understand why this is so hard to comprehend. Visually more palatable? As I said a few posts ago, that's a matter of preference. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 4 minutes ago, Monkey Alan said: Visually more palatable? As I said a few posts ago, that's a matter of preference. Not just visually. If a “wrong” call is made when only 1/100th of the player was actually onside you’d except it. The problem now is 99/100th is onside and it’s always offside. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 On 22/06/2024 at 11:17, Erikse said: And then he's onside because a fraction of his shoe is on, because a fraction of the defenders shoe lines up with it. And that's how it should be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 3 hours ago, 54 said: Wow, what a fantastic addition to the game this is. 👏 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big River Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 13 minutes ago, Yorkie said: Wow, what a fantastic addition to the game this is. 👏 nearly hoyed up watching that. thinks he's John Anderson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfcastle Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 Was expecting a "however the belt can only change hands by pinfall or submission....." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 Feels like sports are under attack these days. The entertainment is the sport, not the fucking nonsense around it. Stop turning every avenue into some cheap gimmicky entertainment Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nowhere Man Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 Bit X factor/ Strictly result show init.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 It's utter fucking bilge and, on top of that, completely unnecessary. 99% of situations are fathomable to any spectator who's witnessed more than a couple matches in their lives, and even in such peculiar and rare occasions where something may not be obvious - so fuck. I don't get this assertion that the crowd has earned an explanation immediately. Clearly there's an infringement of some sort, just check your phone at half 5 to find out the specifics. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Prontonise Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 1 hour ago, Big River said: nearly hoyed up watching that. thinks he's John Anderson This. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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