Dogawful Officiating

[geordie_b]

Posting this in here as no responses in match thread

 

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Was anything made in the comms about the blatant pen for handball in 2nd half?

 

Their defender drops in to take a goal kick as keeper was time wasting. He takes it to another defender short of penalty spot who picks it up respots it and takes kick again.

 

Very similar to Arsenal in CL last year which was widely accepted as being an infringement 

 

[Erikse]

23 minutes ago, geordie_b said:

Posting this in here as no responses in match thread

 

 

 

Can the recieving defender even be inside the box when the kick is taken? I thought players (apart from taker + gk if he's not taking it) had to be outside the box.

 

 

Edited October 19, 2024 by Erikse

[ennyoueffsea]

1 hour ago, Erikse said:

 

Can the recieving defender even be inside the box when the kick is taken? I thought players (apart from taker + gk if he's not taking it) had to be outside the box.

 

 

 

Used to always be the case that the ball was not in play until it's left the penalty area.

 

Seems to have been done away with in recent seasons.

[Tsunami]

Might be petty but the free kick that created the goal was taken 10 yards from the foul. 
 

Ref generally gave them a free kick for every tumble with the one against Gordon being a complete shocker. Must have given 4 free kicks where a Brighton player was throwing themself down before any minimal contact.

[Kid Icarus]

He was fucking awful like. The threshold for giving them a foul when we were pressing them was pathetic, the wind blowing one of them over was seemingly enough to blow up for a foul. Meanwhile our own free kick buyer Bruno had to be hacked down for it to meet the threshold. 

[geordiesteve710]

11 hours ago, ennyoueffsea said:

Used to always be the case that the ball was not in play until it's left the penalty area.

 

Seems to have been done away with in recent seasons.

That rule was changed a few years ago. I'm guessing to encourage the "play through the press" footall which has been the rage for the last 5 years.

[geordiesteve710]

1 hour ago, Tsunami said:

Might be petty but the free kick that created the goal was taken 10 yards from the foul. 
 

Ref generally gave them a free kick for every tumble with the one against Gordon being a complete shocker. Must have given 4 free kicks where a Brighton player was throwing themself down before any minimal contact.

From the other end of the stadium it looked like he threw himself backwards into Gordon and hit the deck.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

1 hour ago, geordiesteve710 said:

From the other end of the stadium it looked like he threw himself backwards into Gordon and hit the deck.

He did, it wasn’t a freekick. 
 

Worst refereeing performance I’ve seen for many years. I make a conscious effort not to notice referees so it really has to be bad for me to say this. 
 

It was obviously a penalty as well. The guy is clearly looking straight at the ball and then rolls over onto it to keep it away from Gordon. Beggars belief. 

[Yorkie]

Guess it wasn't enough of a howler or whatever made up shit they're applying at this point. Clear pen for me; the moment the ball strikes his arm is more clumsy than it is deliberate - but he's clambered awkwardly on all fours to get himself into a position to clumsily handle it. He gets himself into trouble then gets out of jail by the ball striking his hand. That's not fair and should be considered an infringement. 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

There’s no doubt at all it’s a pen. Really inexplicable decision. 
 

Reminded me of the classic Steven Taylor handballs. 

[Rod]

3 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

There’s no doubt at all it’s a pen. Really inexplicable decision. 
 

Reminded me of the classic Steven Taylor handballs. 

I was staggered that a penalty was not given but thought it was only me.  Match of the Day didn't even give it a mention.  I thought it was blatant.

[geordiesteve710]

31 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

There’s no doubt at all it’s a pen. Really inexplicable decision. 
 

Reminded me of the classic Steven Taylor handballs. 

What annoys me about that is that the ref has clearly signalled at the time that the ball had hit the defenders chest. Of course half the Gallowgate saw that it didn't, but if that's the reason it wasn't given and var can see there is contact with the hand then should they not be asking if he wants to have another look.

 

Of course, another part of me thinks if we have to have VAR then it needs to be used sparingly and only for outrageous howlers so fair enough.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

VAR should just be constantly on IMO. If the video shows the ref had missed something then they should shout out. 
 

Either way, if there’s a blatant handball in the box then I don’t see any reason not to intervene. I don’t know what part of the guidelines justifies it but it’s mental. 

[Rod]

9 hours ago, geordiesteve710 said:

What annoys me about that is that the ref has clearly signalled at the time that the ball had hit the defenders chest. Of course half the Gallowgate saw that it didn't, but if that's the reason it wasn't given and var can see there is contact with the hand then should they not be asking if he wants to have another look.

 

Of course, another part of me thinks if we have to have VAR then it needs to be used sparingly and only for outrageous howlers so fair enough.

But it was a howler.  The defender literally falls over the ball and guides the ball into his midriff with his ARM.  Is that not handball?  I will go a little further and suggest could it have been a red card?  I'm furious and dumbfounded at the same time.

[Erikse]

 

Not sure about the decision itself, but he has some very good points. I saw the situation that he's talking about, and it's really similar in my eyes.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

11 hours ago, Rod said:

But it was a howler.  The defender literally falls over the ball and guides the ball into his midriff with his ARM.  Is that not handball?  I will go a little further and suggest could it have been a red card?  I'm furious and dumbfounded at the same time.

I can’t think of a clearer case for changing a decision TBH. 
 

Football has a real problem with penalties anyway TBH. In a low-scoring sport getting a free goal is way too important. Games are being decided by a decision to give or not give a penalty, and the players are obviously trying their best to deceive the officials all the time. 

[pinkeye]

If that had been a keeper outside of the area I think we know what the result would be......

[Pilko]

O'Neil speaks really well there & I agree with what he's saying. They do seem to find a logic or a justification for one decision that then is disregarded or not applied for the next one.

[Erikse]

13 hours ago, Rod said:

But it was a howler.  The defender literally falls over the ball and guides the ball into his midriff with his ARM.  Is that not handball?  I will go a little further and suggest could it have been a red card?  I'm furious and dumbfounded at the same time.

 

The defender had an easy job of avoiding to put an arm to it. Falling or not, it's not like anyone shot the ball into his arm from close range. It was just rolling on the ground. It's his responsibility to not intercept the ball with his arm in that situation, you'd think..

 

 

Edited October 21, 2024 by Erikse

[AyeDubbleYoo]

He kind of looks back and rolls over to catch up to the ball as well. 

[geordiesteve710]

14 hours ago, Rod said:

But it was a howler.  The defender literally falls over the ball and guides the ball into his midriff with his ARM.  Is that not handball?  I will go a little further and suggest could it have been a red card?  I'm furious and dumbfounded at the same time.

I know what you're saying and tbh I was sat near the incident with a clear view and was convinced it was a nailed-on penalty at the time.

 

I'm just anti-VAR in general and by "howler" I mean things like mistaken identity for a red card or giving a goal when the ball has gone wide of the posts. In this case, I can see why the ref's view might have been obscured and if it was, is it his fault he didn't see it properly.

 

Also, we all know it would have been given if it was Man Utd or Liverpool but that's another story.

[Decky]

Some really bad refereeing over the weekend there but just seen this again on Reddit.  How on Earth has the referee given a free here.

 

https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/1g848o1/darwin_nunez_and_arne_slot_after_liverpool_were/

 

 

 

 

Edited October 21, 2024 by Decky

[Lush Vlad]

4 hours ago, Decky said:

Some really bad refereeing over the weekend there but just seen this again on Reddit.  How on Earth has the referee given a free here.

 

https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/1g848o1/darwin_nunez_and_arne_slot_after_liverpool_were/

 

 

 

 

 

The one where Jota is about to be clean through and they give a foul for Reece James’ delayed dive was nearly as bad as anything I saw in our game. 
 

 

[Likelylad]

Our refs are poor across most games. Obviously the big errors get the headlines but the overall general performances are woeful for what is a billion pound product. 
 

 

[Lush Vlad]

1 minute ago, Likelylad said:

Our refs are poor across most games. Obviously the big errors get the headlines but the overall general performances are woeful for what is a billion pound product. 
 

 

Could more money be invested in it? Pay them more? Better training? 
 

Not sure what the answer is. As it is a really tough job and think they get undeserved shit a lot of the time. But VAR hasn’t helped. 
 

I feel like they’re being undermined for grey area decisions. Plus they also seem to be reluctant to give certain decisions and then can’t wait to go overboard for others. It’s like the fact they have VAR there as a backup plays on their mind subconsciously. 
 

Can’t go back now. But I wish we could. I think we’d all accept these fag paper offsides, handball and borderline penalty/red card decisions a lot easier. I know I would.