Dr.Spaceman Posted December 9 Share Posted December 9 (edited) Apologies, I was referring specifically to what you thought. I've got my reasons as to why I'm so anti- drugs that I really can't be arsed to go into as it genuinely upsets me to think about it too much. May be best that I just leave the thread. Edited December 9 by Dr.Spaceman Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaqen Posted December 9 Share Posted December 9 I'd hazard a guess that's there's precisely zero kids taken up coke because of David Coote, like Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted December 9 Share Posted December 9 24 minutes ago, Dr.Spaceman said: I'm not calling people scum of the earth because they have a different opinion to me (check my post history if you like, you will see that I am an advocate for people voicing different opinions), I'm calling people scum of the earth for normalising the use of class A's, particularly when linked to a high profile individual in something very popular amongst kids. And yet absolutely nobody in this thread was doing that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted December 9 Share Posted December 9 (edited) 41 minutes ago, Dr.Spaceman said: Apologies, I was referring specifically to what you thought. I've got my reasons as to why I'm so anti- drugs that I really can't be arsed to go into as it genuinely upsets me to think about it too much. May be best that I just leave the thread. No, I know, I got that. Not that it's just specifically what I think like. Whatever opinions and reasons for them is obviously fair enough like. I'm sure there are a lot of tragic stories to tell on here (myself included) where drugs are concerned, but ye nah, scum of the earth? Probably a pretty natural reaction to someone getting that hoyed at them. Edited December 9 by Kid Icarus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Izakaya Posted December 9 Share Posted December 9 Scum. Of. The. Earth...🙄 This isn't about David Coote is it mate. Are you OK? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted December 9 Share Posted December 9 1 hour ago, Shearergol said: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hudson Posted December 9 Share Posted December 9 Fuck me dead, VAR this evening has been shocking. Stood on his foot, VAR say not enough contact to warrant the reaction. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted December 9 Share Posted December 9 VAR are the scum of the earth Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimpy474 Posted December 9 Share Posted December 9 Should be sacking refs in VAR for shite like that, as well as for sniffing cocaine. The ref in the VAR must have been whizzing off his nut not to give that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hudson Posted December 9 Share Posted December 9 The whole thing feels very Italian football levels of corruption running through the league now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe1984 Posted December 9 Share Posted December 9 13 minutes ago, midds said: VAR are the scum of the earth Made the same joke in the other games thread... 😄 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hudson Posted December 9 Share Posted December 9 Just now, Joe1984 said: Made the same joke in the other games thread... 😄 (iykyn) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe1984 Posted December 9 Share Posted December 9 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Hudson said: (iykyn) Dr.Spaceman sure does... 😄 Edited December 9 by Joe1984 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pablo123 Posted December 9 Share Posted December 9 3 hours ago, Jaqen said: I'd hazard a guess that's there's precisely zero kids taken up coke because of David Coote, like I wouldn't be so sure. My mates kid got himself in a proper ket hole when Dermot Gallagher retired, so you might be underestimating the influence these refs can have. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted December 9 Share Posted December 9 4 hours ago, Jaqen said: I'd hazard a guess that's there's precisely zero kids taken up coke because of David Coote, like Some have probably given it up after seeing him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted December 9 Share Posted December 9 1 hour ago, midds said: VAR are the scum of the earth Ruining football - just a tool to manipulate results. No consistency in decisions as those in the control room can spin a decision which ever way they like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted December 10 Share Posted December 10 What bothers me is that sacking Coote for doing coke and being caught isn't helping anyone, it only makes matters worse. The obvious correct move in situations like these would be for the employer to offer "help" to the person caught using drugs, essentially having them choose between mandatory rehab/educational seminars or losing their job. in this instance, the FA Ref's Association publicly stating they'd intend to "help" Coote with his "problem", you're hammering home a point to the public that someone doing drugs need help because they have a problem. In my opinion, that sends a message that could actually positively affect people as nobody wants to need being helped or feel they themselves have a problem and aren't "cool" fuckers breaking the law, fuck the police and all that jazz! Instead, what this reaction will do is just continue hammering home that the only actual reason why drugs are bad is because they're illegal and people shouldn't be breaking the law by doing them. Might not have gotten my point across perfectly here, but hopefully at least in an understandable enough manner Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teslact Posted December 10 Share Posted December 10 (edited) 41 minutes ago, Kaizero said: The obvious correct move in situations like these would be for the employer to offer "help" to the person caught using drugs, essentially having them choose between mandatory rehab/educational seminars or losing their job. He should file a complaint that they didn't protect him from abuse in the workplace by Klopp et al and it drove him to despair. Serious, not serious, I'm not sure of my feelings here Edited December 10 by Teslact Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McDog Posted December 10 Share Posted December 10 I'm thinking the drugs only should not be a grounds for sacking. Showing bias + that might very well be in my opinion. The entire confidence of the public is based on referees being neutral. Yes, I know, stop laughing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe1984 Posted December 10 Share Posted December 10 2 hours ago, McDog said: I'm thinking the drugs only should not be a grounds for sacking. Showing bias + that might very well be in my opinion. The entire confidence of the public is based on referees being neutral. Yes, I know, stop laughing. What if he was high in the VAR room, or on the pitch? Standards exist for a reason. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McDog Posted December 10 Share Posted December 10 Just now, Joe1984 said: What if he was high in the VAR room, or on the pitch? Standards exist for a reason. Umm, he showed bias and also was doing drugs so what are you insinuating? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe1984 Posted December 10 Share Posted December 10 57 minutes ago, McDog said: Umm, he showed bias and also was doing drugs so what are you insinuating? You said drugs only shouldn't be a grounds for sacking? IF he was high on the job that definitely IS grounds for sacking, no? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cf Posted December 10 Share Posted December 10 Did he show bias? He said he thought Klopp was a cunt. Is there evidence of that affecting his refereeing? Unless we expect all managers to be truly devoid of emotions and totally neutral I would expect all referees to have thoughts about the teams/managers they're officiating. (Obviously don't get caught on camera saying this) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cf Posted December 10 Share Posted December 10 They say they care about his welfare. If that was the case they would: Some sort of rehab/training to do with the drugs use. Actually back him up against Klopp. Point out the abuse received by referees is not acceptable (there's a reason they're starting to try and clamp down on it) and that Klopp has been one of the worst offenders. Whilst they appreciate his language is disrespectful and embarrassing to come into the public domain it's a highly stressful job. Some sort of public statement/apology from Cootes to allow him a route back. Instead they've basically thrown him under the bus and diminished themselves as a body, handing power back to abusive managers/players. I've not seen many "Did Coote Maybe Have A Point?" stories exploring the abuse managers constantly throw at refs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima Posted December 10 Share Posted December 10 (edited) They're not interested in rehabilitating poor behaviour around a possible addiction. We've already seen that with how they handle betting irregularities. Far better to just suspend on one hand while on the other allowing clubs to take millions from betting companies instead. Someone has lost their around 100K a year job for pushing back against abuse received on the pitch while Andy Robertson (probably on north of £150K a week) who was dishing out the abuse, gets to crack on as normal. Edited December 10 by Sima Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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