Rich Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 Previous thread locked due to size: http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufcforum/index.php/topic,70504.0.html Here's to another 1,000 pages! Let's hope he starts and does well tonight to get things off on the right foot... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j104/gregsteez/Boner.gif An image synonymous with Hatem, for me at least. Those weeks in the build-up to him signing were halcyon days on here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 Somebody needs to show Pardew that video of the Everton game that's on Daily Motion and show him if he gives him some time on the pitch, then he could quite easily get back to that level. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sugoinufc Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 hopefully he will start to produce. he has not done much yet to claim a starting spot. but i guess he needs a good run of games to get back at his previous level. soon please... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 I don't understand the fear/negativity from Pardew about not playing him wide at all. As has been said, although Obertan gets up and down well and does his share of covering he's hardly Jonas when it comes to that side of the game. Obertan always seems to be the player with the most space to work with too and often gets to go one-on-one with opposition defenders. If Ben Arfa was given even 50% of the ball Obertan sees in those areas I've got little doubt we'd see more end product from that side. Of course that would generally require him to take up those positions and stick wide at times. Maybe it's been the fullback issue more than the winger issue as well, if we had a Jose on one side then there may not be the reluctance to leave either side more exposed. Just an incredibly frustrating scenario at the minute because we're getting little of value from out wide and the two "big men" up top appears to be the combination that suits us best (pun intended, although him and The Big Sho are operating at a similar level currently and are relatively interchangeable.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishmael Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 I say we play a Ben Arfa on each wing now that we have 2 of them Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Stu Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 I don't understand the fear/negativity from Pardew about not playing him wide at all. As has been said, although Obertan gets up and down well and does his share of covering he's hardly Jonas when it comes to that side of the game. Obertan always seems to be the player with the most space to work with too and often gets to go one-on-one with opposition defenders. If Ben Arfa was given even 50% of the ball Obertan sees in those areas I've got little doubt we'd see more end product from that side. Of course that would generally require him to take up those positions and stick wide at times. Maybe it's been the fullback issue more than the winger issue as well, if we had a Jose on one side then there may not be the reluctance to leave either side more exposed. Just an incredibly frustrating scenario at the minute because we're getting little of value from out wide and the two "big men" up top appears to be the combination that suits us best (pun intended, although him and The Big Sho are operating at a similar level currently and are relatively interchangeable.) even if he turns out to be a flop after his injury and he's got the 'fear factor' - at least by finding that out it'll stop the second guessing of Pardew's decisions every time we fail to win 3-0. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ujpest doza Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 Somebody needs to show Pardew that video of the Everton game that's on Daily Motion and show him if he gives him some time on the pitch, then he could quite easily get back to that level. Personally think too much is expected of Ben Arfa due to that one game and that's why Pardew has used him sparingly to protect him particularly after his long lay off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hatem garrincha Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 Personally think too much is expected of Ben Arfa due to that one game Even if he didn't score against City, I thought his game very, very promising, in a different role than he had at Goodison. He just needs the same run of games (and confidence from Pardew) given to Obertan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 Personally think too much is expected of Ben Arfa due to that one game Even if he didn't score against City, I thought his game very, very promising, in a different role than he had at Goodison. He just needs the same run of games (and confidence from Pardew) given to Obertan Agree, we probably do expect to much but he is capable of delivering most of it. He just needs a bit of patience from the management IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pixelphish Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 Personally think too much is expected of Ben Arfa due to that one game Even if he didn't score against City, I thought his game very, very promising, in a different role than he had at Goodison. He just needs the same run of games (and confidence from Pardew) given to Obertan Would agree with this actually, if HBA got the confidence shown in him that Obertan enjoys and got a decent run of games he'd be back to his best that much sooner. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ujpest doza Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 Personally think too much is expected of Ben Arfa due to that one game Even if he didn't score against City, I thought his game very, very promising, in a different role than he had at Goodison. He just needs the same run of games (and confidence from Pardew) given to Obertan Would agree with this actually, if HBA got the confidence shown in him that Obertan enjoys and got a decent run of games he'd be back to his best that much sooner. Obertan hasn't had a year out with a career threatening injury followed by another knock during his comeback keeping him out again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 Aye, obviously all this chat has to be with the caveat that we don't really know how he's doing behind the scenes and how his comeback is being managed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hatem garrincha Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 Aye, obviously all this chat has to be with the caveat that we don't really know how he's doing behind the scenes and how his comeback is being managed. To choose : - Pardew wants to protect him and introduce him gradually - Pardew is more severe with him for his sake (the Mourinho method with Benzema) - Pardew has his gameplan in which Hatem isn't suitable - Pardew is punishing Hatem's bad attitude and non-professionalism Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ujpest doza Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 Aye, obviously all this chat has to be with the caveat that we don't really know how he's doing behind the scenes and how his comeback is being managed. To choose : - Pardew wants to protect him and introduce him gradually - Pardew is more severe with him for his sake (the Mourinho method with Benzema) - Pardew has his gameplan in which Hatem isn't suitable - Pardew is punishing Hatem's bad attitude and non-professionalism NUmber 1 in My John Humble like. He's just taking it easy with him to make sure he's okay after such long lay off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colocho Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 Aye, obviously all this chat has to be with the caveat that we don't really know how he's doing behind the scenes and how his comeback is being managed. To choose : - Pardew wants to protect him and introduce him gradually - Pardew is more severe with him for his sake (the Mourinho method with Benzema) - Pardew has his gameplan in which Hatem isn't suitable - Pardew is punishing Hatem's bad attitude and non-professionalism Like Santon said, Pardew and Mourinho are similar... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 Think there's also the 'Pardew has hit on a winning team and is a bit cautious in changing it' option. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 Think there's also the 'Pardew has hit on a winning team and is a bit cautious in changing it' option. Which was why Santon didn't get a look in and Raylor kept his place. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 Think there's also the 'Pardew has hit on a winning team and is a bit cautious in changing it' option. Which was why Santon didn't get a look in and Raylor kept his place. Yep, totally understandable but eventually the cream has to rise to the top. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hatem garrincha Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 Think there's also the 'Pardew has hit on a winning team and is a bit cautious in changing it' option. That's a part of "his gameplan in which Hatem isn't suitable" (He tried the HBA option but "it didn't work, so back to the basics" etc. ) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 Think there's also the 'Pardew has hit on a winning team and is a bit cautious in changing it' option. That's a part of "his gameplan in which Hatem isn't suitable" (He tried the HBA option but "it didn't work, so back to the basics" etc. ) Well, I don't think it's exactly the same thing. I think Pardew would have played HBA much more if we hadn't been winning so many games. He had a game plan that he came up with when HBA was injured, and it worked incredibly well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hatem garrincha Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 I genuinely think it's just a case of Pardew being cautious with him and making sure that when he does introduce him he is in the best shape / form in training to make an impact. Don't think it's really anything deeper than that. Let's hope so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDT Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 He'll start tonight Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 Bloody better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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