Disco Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 Has a point. We're restricting our best attacker by making him defend every time the opposition attacks so that when we have the ball he's deep into our half. So we're to just let Sterling & Enrique have free reign to run at Simpson? It's alright man, we can just blame Simpson. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudil Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 Has a point. We're restricting our best attacker by making him defend every time the opposition attacks so that when we have the ball he's deep into our half. So we're to just let Sterling & Enrique have free reign to run at Simpson? Ah your right, the only way to protect your fullbacks is to play wingers directly in front of them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 Hope he loves us as much as we do him. Soon enough he'll figure out he's far too f***ing good for us. Amazing attacking player playing as a f***ing wing back. yeh ok a great player in the making, but he's been shit lately and to praise now after todays performance is baffling. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 He's been shit lately because he's fucking defending for a full 90 mins so that when he finally gets the ball he's in our own half and shattered Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 He is basically being asked to be a second full-back, or a defensive winger. it is the equiverlent of playing Ameobi as winger.... oh wait! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dyeyzzon Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 Much better as a winger than in the centre, just simply crowded out when he drifted to the middle a number of times today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 He's been s*** lately because he's f***ing defending for a full 90 mins so that when he finally gets the ball he's in our own half and shattered He is basically being asked to be a second full-back, or a defensive winger. it is the equiverlent of playing Ameobi as winger.... oh wait! wtf do you want HBA to do, when your team is defending and under the cosh from the opposition, just let HBA run around trying to look busy making no attempt and having no desire to win the ball back? all because " im suppose to be an attacking player" what kind of excuse is that? so players that get played outwide aerent suppose to help out and track back? when the team is under pressure? and dont forget, when he did have the ball today he did jack s*** with it apart losing it from hogging the ball to long, he had team mates beside him waiting, begging for him to make that simple pass to them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sifu Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 The Liverpool players certainly trebled up on him today. Didn't really have the space to work his magic. Still though, great play for our goal - made Enrique look like a fool there Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 He's been s*** lately because he's f***ing defending for a full 90 mins so that when he finally gets the ball he's in our own half and shattered He is basically being asked to be a second full-back, or a defensive winger. it is the equiverlent of playing Ameobi as winger.... oh wait! wtf do you want HBA to do, when your team is defending and under the cosh from the opposition, just let HBA run around trying to look busy making no attempt and having no desire to win the ball back? all because " im suppose to be an attacking player" what kind of excuse is that? so players that get played outwide aerent suppose to help out and track back? when the team is under pressure? and dont forget, when he did have the ball today he did jack s*** with it apart losing it from hogging the ball to long, he had team mates beside him waiting, begging for him to make that simple pass to them. What did Laurent Robert do "when your team is defending and under the cosh from the opposition"... Fuck all. Even Bobby Robson said it was a bit annoying but what he gave us going forward more than made up for it. Now I'm not for a second suggesting that Ben Arfa should be as lax defending as Robert was, but surely Pardew can find a happy medium in there somewhere? At the moment he is being completely wasted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Spiria Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 I don't understand what Pardew expects from him. Defend his heart off and sets up two goal each match ? He does the defending, but he will never be a master at it. Really feel he was tired today.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 Goes back to what I said last week: you can't compare this lot with Bobby's side. They defended from the front and attacked from the midfield. We do neither. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 I'd be interested to see a diagram of all the positions Ben Arfa was in on the field each time he received the ball. I bet most of them were on the edge of his own box, and this is playing as a wide forward. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATB Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 I'd be interested to see a diagram of all the positions Ben Arfa was in on the field each time he received the ball. I bet most of them were on the edge of his own box, and this is playing as a wide forward. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 He's been s*** lately because he's f***ing defending for a full 90 mins so that when he finally gets the ball he's in our own half and shattered He is basically being asked to be a second full-back, or a defensive winger. it is the equiverlent of playing Ameobi as winger.... oh wait! wtf do you want HBA to do, when your team is defending and under the cosh from the opposition, just let HBA run around trying to look busy making no attempt and having no desire to win the ball back? all because " im suppose to be an attacking player" what kind of excuse is that? so players that get played outwide aerent suppose to help out and track back? when the team is under pressure? and dont forget, when he did have the ball today he did jack s*** with it apart losing it from hogging the ball to long, he had team mates beside him waiting, begging for him to make that simple pass to them. What did Laurent Robert do "when your team is defending and under the cosh from the opposition"... f*** all. Even Bobby Robson said it was a bit annoying but what he gave us going forward more than made up for it. Now I'm not for a second suggesting that Ben Arfa should be as lax defending as Robert was, but surely Pardew can find a happy medium in there somewhere? At the moment he is being completely wasted. laurent Robert you use him as an example? Happy medium how? ok you're Alan Pardew, and Danny Simpson is getting smashed, pillaged, over-run by 2 lfc players their winger and left leftback. "Hey dont worry Hatem you just let your 9 outfield teamates run their socks off and get their shorts dirty. but you boy you just stay up there and wait for the ball to come to you because you're so special, like Laurent Robert under Sir bobby" do me a favour. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 He's been s*** lately because he's f***ing defending for a full 90 mins so that when he finally gets the ball he's in our own half and shattered He is basically being asked to be a second full-back, or a defensive winger. it is the equiverlent of playing Ameobi as winger.... oh wait! wtf do you want HBA to do, when your team is defending and under the cosh from the opposition, just let HBA run around trying to look busy making no attempt and having no desire to win the ball back? all because " im suppose to be an attacking player" what kind of excuse is that? so players that get played outwide aerent suppose to help out and track back? when the team is under pressure? and dont forget, when he did have the ball today he did jack s*** with it apart losing it from hogging the ball to long, he had team mates beside him waiting, begging for him to make that simple pass to them. What did Laurent Robert do "when your team is defending and under the cosh from the opposition"... f*** all. Even Bobby Robson said it was a bit annoying but what he gave us going forward more than made up for it. Now I'm not for a second suggesting that Ben Arfa should be as lax defending as Robert was, but surely Pardew can find a happy medium in there somewhere? At the moment he is being completely wasted. laurent Robert you use him as an example? Happy medium how? ok you're Alan Pardew, and Danny Simpson is getting smashed, pillaged, over-run by 2 lfc players their left wing leftback. "Hey dont worry Hatem you just let your 9 outfield teamates run their socks off and get their shorts dirty. but you boy you just stay up there and wait for the ball to come to you because you're so special, like Laurent Robert under Sir bobby" do me a favour. Wasn't he meant to be playing as a wide forward? He shouldn't have to be doing any defending at all from that position. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATB Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 The main problem is that we shouldn´t be playing so deep. Of course Ben Arfa should defend. But then when we get the ball. Keep it! Attack! We just hoof it and everything starts all over again. People doesn´t sees any problems with that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 He's been s*** lately because he's f***ing defending for a full 90 mins so that when he finally gets the ball he's in our own half and shattered He is basically being asked to be a second full-back, or a defensive winger. it is the equiverlent of playing Ameobi as winger.... oh wait! wtf do you want HBA to do, when your team is defending and under the cosh from the opposition, just let HBA run around trying to look busy making no attempt and having no desire to win the ball back? all because " im suppose to be an attacking player" what kind of excuse is that? so players that get played outwide aerent suppose to help out and track back? when the team is under pressure? and dont forget, when he did have the ball today he did jack s*** with it apart losing it from hogging the ball to long, he had team mates beside him waiting, begging for him to make that simple pass to them. What did Laurent Robert do "when your team is defending and under the cosh from the opposition"... f*** all. Even Bobby Robson said it was a bit annoying but what he gave us going forward more than made up for it. Now I'm not for a second suggesting that Ben Arfa should be as lax defending as Robert was, but surely Pardew can find a happy medium in there somewhere? At the moment he is being completely wasted. laurent Robert you use him as an example? Happy medium how? ok you're Alan Pardew, and Danny Simpson is getting smashed, pillaged, over-run by 2 lfc players their left wing leftback. "Hey dont worry Hatem you just let your 9 outfield teamates run their socks off and get their shorts dirty. but you boy you just stay up there and wait for the ball to come to you because you're so special, like Laurent Robert under Sir bobby" do me a favour. We "smash and pillage" their full backs in return. Raheem Sterling has the exact same drawbacks as Ben Arfa does (with a lack of experience to boot). It would help if we pressed from the start and could hold onto the ball for more than 2 passes, like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 He's been s*** lately because he's f***ing defending for a full 90 mins so that when he finally gets the ball he's in our own half and shattered He is basically being asked to be a second full-back, or a defensive winger. it is the equiverlent of playing Ameobi as winger.... oh wait! wtf do you want HBA to do, when your team is defending and under the cosh from the opposition, just let HBA run around trying to look busy making no attempt and having no desire to win the ball back? all because " im suppose to be an attacking player" what kind of excuse is that? so players that get played outwide aerent suppose to help out and track back? when the team is under pressure? and dont forget, when he did have the ball today he did jack s*** with it apart losing it from hogging the ball to long, he had team mates beside him waiting, begging for him to make that simple pass to them. What did Laurent Robert do "when your team is defending and under the cosh from the opposition"... f*** all. Even Bobby Robson said it was a bit annoying but what he gave us going forward more than made up for it. Now I'm not for a second suggesting that Ben Arfa should be as lax defending as Robert was, but surely Pardew can find a happy medium in there somewhere? At the moment he is being completely wasted. laurent Robert you use him as an example? Happy medium how? ok you're Alan Pardew, and Danny Simpson is getting smashed, pillaged, over-run by 2 lfc players their left wing leftback. "Hey dont worry Hatem you just let your 9 outfield teamates run their socks off and get their shorts dirty. but you boy you just stay up there and wait for the ball to come to you because you're so special, like Laurent Robert under Sir bobby" do me a favour. Wasn't he meant to be playing as a wide forward? He shouldn't have to be doing any defending at all from that position. thats so ridiculous, wide forward are not allowed to fall back and defend? that is exactly what they should do when their own team is under the gun. 4-3-3 automatically becomes 4-5-1 when your team need to defend as wide fowards of the front 3 joins the midfield. this is not something pardew invented, trust me. another example, how many times did Demba Ba came back to defend our corners, freekicks etc? he was in our own box and he successfully cut out more balls than our fullbacks. so because he's a striker he shouldn't be near our own penalty box, football is a team game, when you defend you defend as a team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 He's been s*** lately because he's f***ing defending for a full 90 mins so that when he finally gets the ball he's in our own half and shattered He is basically being asked to be a second full-back, or a defensive winger. it is the equiverlent of playing Ameobi as winger.... oh wait! wtf do you want HBA to do, when your team is defending and under the cosh from the opposition, just let HBA run around trying to look busy making no attempt and having no desire to win the ball back? all because " im suppose to be an attacking player" what kind of excuse is that? so players that get played outwide aerent suppose to help out and track back? when the team is under pressure? and dont forget, when he did have the ball today he did jack s*** with it apart losing it from hogging the ball to long, he had team mates beside him waiting, begging for him to make that simple pass to them. What did Laurent Robert do "when your team is defending and under the cosh from the opposition"... f*** all. Even Bobby Robson said it was a bit annoying but what he gave us going forward more than made up for it. Now I'm not for a second suggesting that Ben Arfa should be as lax defending as Robert was, but surely Pardew can find a happy medium in there somewhere? At the moment he is being completely wasted. laurent Robert you use him as an example? Happy medium how? ok you're Alan Pardew, and Danny Simpson is getting smashed, pillaged, over-run by 2 lfc players their left wing leftback. "Hey dont worry Hatem you just let your 9 outfield teamates run their socks off and get their shorts dirty. but you boy you just stay up there and wait for the ball to come to you because you're so special, like Laurent Robert under Sir bobby" do me a favour. Wasn't he meant to be playing as a wide forward? He shouldn't have to be doing any defending at all from that position. A 4-3-3 should turn into a 4-5-1 when defending. So yes - he should be defending. No winger should let the opposition full back and winger double up on your own full back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 There's a difference between helping out and been stuck in a rigid defensive system that only serves to invite pressure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 He's been s*** lately because he's f***ing defending for a full 90 mins so that when he finally gets the ball he's in our own half and shattered He is basically being asked to be a second full-back, or a defensive winger. it is the equiverlent of playing Ameobi as winger.... oh wait! wtf do you want HBA to do, when your team is defending and under the cosh from the opposition, just let HBA run around trying to look busy making no attempt and having no desire to win the ball back? all because " im suppose to be an attacking player" what kind of excuse is that? so players that get played outwide aerent suppose to help out and track back? when the team is under pressure? and dont forget, when he did have the ball today he did jack s*** with it apart losing it from hogging the ball to long, he had team mates beside him waiting, begging for him to make that simple pass to them. What did Laurent Robert do "when your team is defending and under the cosh from the opposition"... f*** all. Even Bobby Robson said it was a bit annoying but what he gave us going forward more than made up for it. Now I'm not for a second suggesting that Ben Arfa should be as lax defending as Robert was, but surely Pardew can find a happy medium in there somewhere? At the moment he is being completely wasted. laurent Robert you use him as an example? Happy medium how? ok you're Alan Pardew, and Danny Simpson is getting smashed, pillaged, over-run by 2 lfc players their left wing leftback. "Hey dont worry Hatem you just let your 9 outfield teamates run their socks off and get their shorts dirty. but you boy you just stay up there and wait for the ball to come to you because you're so special, like Laurent Robert under Sir bobby" do me a favour. Wasn't he meant to be playing as a wide forward? He shouldn't have to be doing any defending at all from that position. A 4-3-3 should turn into a 4-5-1 when defending. So yes - he should be defending. No winger should let the opposition full back and winger double up on your own full back. He was not playing as a winger, that's what I just said. I can't say I've noticed Hazard, Podolski, Gervinho, Silva, Tevez, Oscar, Walcott or any of the other wide forwards in the Premier League spending most of the game on the edge of their own box doubling up on another team's wide forward, you've obviously been paying more attention than me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 He's been s*** lately because he's f***ing defending for a full 90 mins so that when he finally gets the ball he's in our own half and shattered He is basically being asked to be a second full-back, or a defensive winger. it is the equiverlent of playing Ameobi as winger.... oh wait! wtf do you want HBA to do, when your team is defending and under the cosh from the opposition, just let HBA run around trying to look busy making no attempt and having no desire to win the ball back? all because " im suppose to be an attacking player" what kind of excuse is that? so players that get played outwide aerent suppose to help out and track back? when the team is under pressure? and dont forget, when he did have the ball today he did jack s*** with it apart losing it from hogging the ball to long, he had team mates beside him waiting, begging for him to make that simple pass to them. What did Laurent Robert do "when your team is defending and under the cosh from the opposition"... f*** all. Even Bobby Robson said it was a bit annoying but what he gave us going forward more than made up for it. Now I'm not for a second suggesting that Ben Arfa should be as lax defending as Robert was, but surely Pardew can find a happy medium in there somewhere? At the moment he is being completely wasted. laurent Robert you use him as an example? Happy medium how? ok you're Alan Pardew, and Danny Simpson is getting smashed, pillaged, over-run by 2 lfc players their left wing leftback. "Hey dont worry Hatem you just let your 9 outfield teamates run their socks off and get their shorts dirty. but you boy you just stay up there and wait for the ball to come to you because you're so special, like Laurent Robert under Sir bobby" do me a favour. Wasn't he meant to be playing as a wide forward? He shouldn't have to be doing any defending at all from that position. A 4-3-3 should turn into a 4-5-1 when defending. So yes - he should be defending. No winger should let the opposition full back and winger double up on your own full back. He was not playing as a winger, that's what I just said. I can't say I've noticed Hazard, Podolski, Gervinho, Silva, Tevez, Oscar, Walcott or any of the other wide forwards in the Premier League spending most of the game on the edge of their own box doubling up on another team's wide forward, you've obviously been paying more attention than me. He looked like he was playing as a winger to me? We weren't playing a system that had 3 forwards and allowed them to do no defending. I can't think of many teams that do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 Liverpool did it today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 He's been s*** lately because he's f***ing defending for a full 90 mins so that when he finally gets the ball he's in our own half and shattered He is basically being asked to be a second full-back, or a defensive winger. it is the equiverlent of playing Ameobi as winger.... oh wait! wtf do you want HBA to do, when your team is defending and under the cosh from the opposition, just let HBA run around trying to look busy making no attempt and having no desire to win the ball back? all because " im suppose to be an attacking player" what kind of excuse is that? so players that get played outwide aerent suppose to help out and track back? when the team is under pressure? and dont forget, when he did have the ball today he did jack s*** with it apart losing it from hogging the ball to long, he had team mates beside him waiting, begging for him to make that simple pass to them. What did Laurent Robert do "when your team is defending and under the cosh from the opposition"... f*** all. Even Bobby Robson said it was a bit annoying but what he gave us going forward more than made up for it. Now I'm not for a second suggesting that Ben Arfa should be as lax defending as Robert was, but surely Pardew can find a happy medium in there somewhere? At the moment he is being completely wasted. laurent Robert you use him as an example? Happy medium how? ok you're Alan Pardew, and Danny Simpson is getting smashed, pillaged, over-run by 2 lfc players their left wing leftback. "Hey dont worry Hatem you just let your 9 outfield teamates run their socks off and get their shorts dirty. but you boy you just stay up there and wait for the ball to come to you because you're so special, like Laurent Robert under Sir bobby" do me a favour. Wasn't he meant to be playing as a wide forward? He shouldn't have to be doing any defending at all from that position. A 4-3-3 should turn into a 4-5-1 when defending. So yes - he should be defending. No winger should let the opposition full back and winger double up on your own full back. He was not playing as a winger, that's what I just said. I can't say I've noticed Hazard, Podolski, Gervinho, Silva, Tevez, Oscar, Walcott or any of the other wide forwards in the Premier League spending most of the game on the edge of their own box doubling up on another team's wide forward, you've obviously been paying more attention than me. those players you mentioned dont always play out wide, silva, tevez, podolski hazard has had their fair share of games through the centre , as for the others thats on your exclusive list, are players playing in teams that can keep the ball all day long. we cannot keep the ball. the arsenal widemen you mentioned arent exactly great examples considering their modest season they are having so far. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 Had the odd good moment, less so than earlier in the season though. Not in his top form atm, think he couldve done better with that counter when he decided to cut inside two players rather than pass to Cisse/shoot first time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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