Wullie Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 The entire team was atrocious in that first half and we didn't even have the ball enough to be criticizing what one of our flair players was doing. I missed the first ten mins but if you'd told me at half time that Guthrie had gone off after five, I wouldn't have questioned it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudil Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 The entire team was atrocious in that first half and we didn't even have the ball enough to be criticizing what one of our flair players was doing. I missed the first ten mins but if you'd told me at half time that Guthrie had gone off after five, I wouldn't have questioned it. Spot on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memphis Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 (Obviously he sometimes holds onto the ball "too long", but that's just the minor downside to how he plays. Other players give the ball away a lot more, just in more acceptable ways). This x1000 Because Pardew can't see him as a winger in an orthodox 4-4-2, he's often used as the makeweight sub or makeweight non-starter in the XI. It highlights his mistakes more than others. Simpson has made mistake after mistake but since he's the only trusted RB, he simply has to play. Raylor, too, but because he's "versatile" and can cross, his shocking games get overlooked by Pards. Pardew's yet to believe in HBA to that degree. Hopefully he will see the value when there is genuine mobility upfront. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 The entire team was atrocious in that first half and we didn't even have the ball enough to be criticizing what one of our flair players was doing. I missed the first ten mins but if you'd told me at half time that Guthrie had gone off after five, I wouldn't have questioned it. You saying he played last night? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
High Five o Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 The entire team was atrocious in that first half and we didn't even have the ball enough to be criticizing what one of our flair players was doing. I missed the first ten mins but if you'd told me at half time that Guthrie had gone off after five, I wouldn't have questioned it. You saying he played last night? He was one of our best players, so yes. Covered shitloads of ground yesterday. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shak Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Some part of me thinks it's encouraging to see Pardew changing the system to accomodate Ben Arfa, even though i think that without Ba, Tiote and Cisse we haven't a hope of currently fielding an effective 4-5-1. Another part of me can't come to terms with the idea that he has such a lack of trust in Ben Arfa to play wide in a 4-4-2 that he'd force the rest of the team into an unsuitable formation to try and protect him. It's not like Obertan is a fucking defensive colossus or something. Sounds like he was shite yesterday though, will be benched for Sunday I imagine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlacknWhiteArmy Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 There really is huge expectation when he picks up the ball, even from the players around him. He always was inconsistent in his decision making but in the long run if he's allowed to play and with players that are not Ameobi and Best up top he'll do much more good than bad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Big question... Arfa or Sess Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest palnese Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Based on this season? Sessegnon. Still think Ben Arfa will be better with a bit of quality in front of him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie Ahmed Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Depends on the manager, Sessegnon also loses the ball a fair bit so Pardew would probably treat him like he does Ben Arfa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlacknWhiteArmy Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Sessegnon at the moment is a bit more refined and quicker over distance. I think Ben Arfa is a lot better at his best. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxfree Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Ben Arfa is better in his prime. Not really fair to Ben Arfa to compare them now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie Ahmed Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Ben Arfa was average yesterday BUT he was not the worst player, that honour belongs to Shola Also I did not see a great deal of improvement with us after Perch came on, I thought we were still crap. It was only in the last few minutes when they were leaving gaps that we went forward with intent, aside from that it was not much different from the 1st half Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Sess has been given time and patience, neither of which Ben Arfa has been given. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Hard to argue against Sessegnon this season. He's been very good (albeit in fits and starts), the last 5 games he's looked excellent. He's got the benefit of a system being completely revolved around him mind, a manager that can see the benefits of his creative talent and has rightly put his faith in it. Hatem's not quite had that yet, which is a shame. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 He could do worse than watch Modric in action. He's not the greatest defensively, but he doesn't hang on to the ball too long, he reads situations very quickly, he works hard and consistently, and he uses his skill just as much to open opportunities for team-mates as to create something for himself. Ben Arfa still plays like an 18 year old who has just broken into the first team, trying to do too much on his own. I can see your point but Spurs have a lot more movement around Modric which makes it a lot easier for Modric to release the ball earlier. Until we see Ben Arfa with better players around him it's hard to draw any real conclusions how much of it is his fault and how much down to too many substandard footballers in the first 11. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ujpest doza Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 The entire team was atrocious in that first half and we didn't even have the ball enough to be criticizing what one of our flair players was doing. I missed the first ten mins but if you'd told me at half time that Guthrie had gone off after five, I wouldn't have questioned it. You saying he played last night? man of the Match in todays Daily Mirror. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 The entire team was atrocious in that first half and we didn't even have the ball enough to be criticizing what one of our flair players was doing. I missed the first ten mins but if you'd told me at half time that Guthrie had gone off after five, I wouldn't have questioned it. You saying he played last night? man of the Match in todays Daily Mirror. Doesn't suprise me, Newspapers rarely get the ratings correct unless the game is televised, laughable half of the time. The Sun give Colocinni a 5 out of 10...same rating as Shola. Thought Guthrie worked hard but didn't offer enough of a threat to blackburn in keeping possesion and dictating the pace of the game, missed Cabaye. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Ben Arfa is better in his prime. Not really fair to Ben Arfa to compare them now. Sessegnon has certainly been better this season. Think I'm right in saying he is nowhere near as highly rated in France though? HBA is more talented IMO. Oh, did Sess have ayear out through a leg break and ankle ligament injury as well? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
matta Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Sessegnon is on fire at the moment. Hope HBA gets the chance to prove himself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenham Mag Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Sessegnon could easily go off the boil as quick as he has came into some form. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mimifrench Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Are you really comparing Ben arfa and Sessegnon?? Please... I thought you had a better knowledge of football than the Sunderland fans... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BONTEMPI Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Are you really comparing Ben arfa and Sessegnon?? Please... I thought you had a better knowledge of football than the Sunderland fans... Over the last few games Sess has produced more I'm sure that will change for Benny when he has something decent in front of him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mimifrench Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Are you really comparing Ben arfa and Sessegnon?? Please... I thought you had a better knowledge of football than the Sunderland fans... Over the last few games Sess has produced more I'm sure that will change for Benny when he has something decent in front of him. Ok, but when Sessegnon joined Sunderland? Did he have a broken leg? Then missed the pre-season? Fortunately for him he's producing something now! Trust me, I've seen him play a lot (with PSG), he's nowhere near as good as Ben arfa. It's even quite an insult for Ben arfa to be compared to that player... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Sessegnon has none of the pace Ben arfa has but he's a fine player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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