Papiss Cissé

[Hanshithispantz]

Long and Benteke have better build up play? Fucking pack it in man.

 

Dzecko, Giroud, Lukaku are highly debatable too.

[Cajun]

That header was awful today, can't believe anyone is defending it

 

That was a difficult header to pull off, it wasn't easy at all if he did score it we would all being raving how fantastic a header it was.

 

Fine margins.....

 

A ball was put in, he was completely on his own and he headed it yards wide. It was absolutely shocking

 

Not saying he definitely should have scored it but he definitely should have got it on target at least, he was nowhere near.

 

It was nowhere near as easy as you are making it out to be.

 

To get that on target? Sorry but he was in between the posts, on his own and the ball wasn't exactly Robert'd at him.

 

Very poor miss.

[Interpolic]

I thought it was a harder chance than you're giving it credit for because of the angle it came in at, I've shouted "Cisse, man!" at the telly lots of times in recent months but didn't on this occasion.  It's not always as simple as saying he was unmarked, therefore he should have scored.

 

At the time I actually thought it was a difficult header to the degree he should have tried to jump higher and chest it down, not sure if it would have worked mind.

[Hanshithispantz]

That header was awful today, can't believe anyone is defending it

 

That was a difficult header to pull off, it wasn't easy at all if he did score it we would all being raving how fantastic a header it was.

 

Fine margins.....

 

A ball was put in, he was completely on his own and he headed it yards wide. It was absolutely shocking

 

Not saying he definitely should have scored it but he definitely should have got it on target at least, he was nowhere near.

 

It was nowhere near as easy as you are making it out to be.

 

To get that on target? Sorry but he was in between the posts, on his own and the ball wasn't exactly Robert'd at him.

 

Very poor miss.

I don't understand this at all man, "as long as you test the keeper".

 

He probably could have got it on target if he wanted, it would have been pointless in it wasn't looped over to the back post though which is what he tried and failed to do.

[Ritchie]

He needs competition for his place.

[Hanshithispantz]

I thought it was a harder chance than you're giving it credit for because of the angle it came in at, I've shouted "Cisse, man!" at the telly lots of times in recent months but didn't on this occasion.  It's not always as simple as saying he was unmarked, therefore he should have scored.

 

At the time I actually thought it was a difficult header to the degree he should have tried to jump higher and chest it down, not sure if it would have worked mind.

it was a great ball from Coloccini but it still had a bit too much pace and hight on it for Cisse to fully put his head through it. Most strikers in the league would have struggle to net that.

[Hanshithispantz]

He needs competition for his place.

He does yeah, but I don't think that would make a difference, he had massive competition in Ba earlier in the season for a start, so much so that he actually lost his place

 

 

 

 

[themanupstairs]

I thought he was excellent at holding it up today. His best game doing this bit. Sharpness in front of goal is still lacking though.

[Cajun]

That header was awful today, can't believe anyone is defending it

 

That was a difficult header to pull off, it wasn't easy at all if he did score it we would all being raving how fantastic a header it was.

 

Fine margins.....

 

A ball was put in, he was completely on his own and he headed it yards wide. It was absolutely shocking

 

Not saying he definitely should have scored it but he definitely should have got it on target at least, he was nowhere near.

 

It was nowhere near as easy as you are making it out to be.

 

To get that on target? Sorry but he was in between the posts, on his own and the ball wasn't exactly Robert'd at him.

 

Very poor miss.

I don't understand this at all man, "as long as you test the keeper".

 

He probably could have got it on target if he wanted, it would have been pointless in it wasn't looped over to the back post though which is what he tried and failed to do.

 

Not sure I understand this, so if someone took a penalty and chipped it over the bar (see Jenas) that wouldn't be any different to someone who hit a good penalty low into the corner but the keeper went the right way?

 

A miss is a miss yes but if the player is hitting the target it's surely better than them just completely missing?

[The College Dropout]

Long and Benteke have better build up play? f***ing pack it in man.

 

Dzecko, Giroud, Lukaku are highly debatable too.

 

Ridiculous. Long reminds me of Bellamy plenty, a terror to teams even If he doesn't score.

 

Benteke is a no brainer. He's a target man ffs of course his build play is better than Cisse's. Good in the air, holds it up well, works the channels, comes short. Come on.

 

You can launch the ball long at the other 3 and there's half a chance they could do something. Dzeko build up is nowhere comparable to Cisse man. Giroud too, he's very much a team player. Lukaku I haven't seen loads of.

 

Forgot about Berbatov.

[Hanshithispantz]

I'm saying he could have hit the target by cushioning it towards the centre of the goal instead of trying to loop it to the back post, he wouldn't have scored as Lloris would have easily caught it but he would have been tested. Penalties don't really work in this context as you're 12 yards from goal with a dead ball, if you don't test the keeper you're a bellend.

[Hanshithispantz]

Long and Benteke have better build up play? f***ing pack it in man.

 

Dzecko, Giroud, Lukaku are highly debatable too.

 

Ridiculous. Long reminds me of Bellamy plenty, a terror to teams even If he doesn't score.

 

Benteke is a no brainer. He's a target man ffs of course his build play is better than Cisse's. Good in the air, holds it up well, works the channels, comes short. Come on.

 

You can launch the ball long at the other 3 and there's half a chance they could do something. Dzeko build up is nowhere comparable to Cisse man. Giroud too, he's very much a team player. Lukaku I haven't seen loads of.

 

Forgot about Berbatov.

Long reminds me more of someone like Andy Johnson like, but whatever, liken him to Bellamy if it makes the argument sound better. Being a target man doesn't exactly mean "mint build up play" either like, what about if the play starts on the half way line as opposed to the oppositions box? Or infact if the football is just on the floor?

 

You seem to have it in you're mind that Cisse is some kind of poacher and you're completely wrong, he played out on the wing for a large portion of the season and although he clearly isn't a winger he was more than capable linking up play.

[The College Dropout]

Andy Johnson is also a selfless runner, works the channels well.

 

Are you trying to tell me, Cisse is better outside the box, on the halfway line, whatever than Dzeko? Lukaku? And Giroud? Seriously? We aren't Barcelona man. We NEED a striker that can be an out-ball, either holding it up, linking others, or running it.

 

Howay man he was shit offensively on the wing.

[The College Dropout]

Even Andy fucking Johnson. I didn't want to bring up players not in Cisse's league but he's definitely better in the build-up. Gouffran too while we at it. So much more involved in the game than Cisse EVER has.

[Pilko]

He needs to get his act together, he was piss poor today. Alright, all strikers go on a bit of a dry run but his touch, positioning, movement were all lacking to certain degrees and we literally have nobody else worthy of starting upfront (until we sign a proper right-forward to free up Gouffran). It's just not good enough at the moment.

[The College Dropout]

He needs to get his act together, he was p*ss poor today. Alright, all strikers go on a bit of a dry run but his touch, positioning, movement were all lacking to certain degrees and we literally have nobody else worthy of starting upfront (until we sign a proper right-forward to free up Gouffran). It's just not good enough at the moment.

 

Howay man, his build up play is only bettered by a select few in the division according to some.

[Pilko]

He needs to get his act together, he was p*ss poor today. Alright, all strikers go on a bit of a dry run but his touch, positioning, movement were all lacking to certain degrees and we literally have nobody else worthy of starting upfront (until we sign a proper right-forward to free up Gouffran). It's just not good enough at the moment.

 

Howay man, his build up play is only bettered by a select few in the division according to some.

 

They must have had about five times the amount of pints that I've had then, because that's just completely false. His first touch is erratic at best.

[Hanshithispantz]

No one has said he was good today so yous can stop taliking shit if yous don't mind.

[duo]

I think we can only really judge him this season once Ba left. Up until that point he played many games out wide in a position he was unfamiliar with and clearly uncomfortable with.  The lack of goals as a result is clearly on his mind as he seems to be snapping at his chances.  But he is still creating chances and I am convinced the goals with start flying in before the season is out.

[merlin]

All strikers have a dry spell - even Shearer was coming under the spotlight before the 1996 Euros and he finished top scorer. He also had a poor spell just before SBR arrived, but Bobby put that right...

 

Read the last 4 words...Bobby told Shearer that he was not getting into the positions he needed to in order to score and what happened? 5 goals for him in the next game v Sheff Weds...

 

The problem with Cisse is not as simple - he IS having to do more donkey work outside the box, but so did Shearer. SBR helped Shearer by signing Gallacher(stop gap) and then Bellamy and all was well.

With the current style of play, Cisse is basically isolated - he is having to come back too deep in order to get the ball and whilst his hold-up play was better yesterday, that is not his prime purpose.

Once Gouffran went off, the problem was worse and we basically lost the game from that time.

 

Our forward m/f players are too static when our defenders win the ball - they should be making runs a la' Gouffran in order to create options for passing to a man in space...this has been a problem ALL season until Sissoko did it against Chelsea last week. Guttierez is one of the culprits because he is spending too much time propping defenders up.

 

I am beginning to think that Cisse is something of an enigma - something midway between the player of last season and this. He is not getting many chances in the box and is beginning to snatch at the ones he does get because he knows there won't be many.

He lacks real pace so will never threaten defenders on the break unless put in by someone else's cross or shot and he isn't great at winning the ball in the air with his back to goal....that is not to say he wouldn't score goals in another team...or under a different manager.

We have to remember that he will be 28 next birthday - the time when a striker should be at his peak and he won't improve after that.

 

Time will tell....

[Eddy Chibas]

All strikers have a dry spell - even Shearer was coming under the spotlight before the 1996 Euros and he finished top scorer. He also had a poor spell just before SBR arrived, but Bobby put that right...

 

Read the last 4 words...Bobby told Shearer that he was not getting into the positions he needed to in order to score and what happened? 5 goals for him in the next game v Sheff Weds...

 

The problem with Cisse is not as simple - he IS having to do more donkey work outside the box, but so did Shearer. SBR helped Shearer by signing Gallacher(stop gap) and then Bellamy and all was well.

With the current style of play, Cisse is basically isolated - he is having to come back too deep in order to get the ball and whilst his hold-up play was better yesterday, that is not his prime purpose.

Once Gouffran went off, the problem was worse and we basically lost the game from that time.

 

Our forward m/f players are too static when our defenders win the ball - they should be making runs a la' Gouffran in order to create options for passing to a man in space...this has been a problem ALL season until Sissoko did it against Chelsea last week. Guttierez is one of the culprits because he is spending too much time propping defenders up.

 

I am beginning to think that Cisse is something of an enigma - something midway between the player of last season and this. He is not getting many chances in the box and is beginning to snatch at the ones he does get because he knows there won't be many.

He lacks real pace so will never threaten defenders on the break unless put in by someone else's cross or shot and he isn't great at winning the ball in the air with his back to goal....that is not to say he wouldn't score goals in another team...or under a different manager.

We have to remember that he will be 28 next birthday - the time when a striker should be at his peak and he won't improve after that.

 

Time will tell....

 

His shooting efficiency at the tail-end last year was an anomoly. The truth sits somewhere inbetween, and in Germany he was usually near the top of the said shooting efficiency charts.

 

The greatest indicator of an in-form striker isn't necessarily physical one. Cisse's movement off-the-ball still looks pretty sharp. The snapping at chances is a signal of a striker who has lost his awareness of space around him (how close defenders actually are). This internal compass is off centre, and when this compass is onsong they're acutely aware of that little bit of extra time they have to pull the trigger. It might just be a few frames, in real time and it's a fine line, however it's the difference between snapping at chance & actually taking a touch (to get balanced), or getting his centre of gravity/body positioning/weight transferance just right when hitting a first-time shot.

 

Cisse has spent too much time this season isolated, back-to-goal, often forced into physical contests (for 50/50 balls, at best) with big athletic PL centrehalves. The consequence of this: his strikers' internal compass (awareness of space) is way off centre atm. I know he's found his way on to the scoresheets recently, but he still has the look of a striker who is hearing footsteps, and looks rushed in front of goal as a result.

[The College Dropout]

Half the time Ba was here he played upfront.

[STM]

His shooting boots just aren't there at the moment but that will change.

 

My concern is that he offers nothing when he's not scoring.

[Guest firetotheworks]

I can't agree with that. Since Ba has gone I think his link up play has been very good for the most part.

[Beren]

All strikers have a dry spell - even Shearer was coming under the spotlight before the 1996 Euros and he finished top scorer. He also had a poor spell just before SBR arrived, but Bobby put that right...

 

Read the last 4 words...Bobby told Shearer that he was not getting into the positions he needed to in order to score and what happened? 5 goals for him in the next game v Sheff Weds...

 

The problem with Cisse is not as simple - he IS having to do more donkey work outside the box, but so did Shearer. SBR helped Shearer by signing Gallacher(stop gap) and then Bellamy and all was well.

With the current style of play, Cisse is basically isolated - he is having to come back too deep in order to get the ball and whilst his hold-up play was better yesterday, that is not his prime purpose.

Once Gouffran went off, the problem was worse and we basically lost the game from that time.

 

Our forward m/f players are too static when our defenders win the ball - they should be making runs a la' Gouffran in order to create options for passing to a man in space...this has been a problem ALL season until Sissoko did it against Chelsea last week. Guttierez is one of the culprits because he is spending too much time propping defenders up.

 

I am beginning to think that Cisse is something of an enigma - something midway between the player of last season and this. He is not getting many chances in the box and is beginning to snatch at the ones he does get because he knows there won't be many.

He lacks real pace so will never threaten defenders on the break unless put in by someone else's cross or shot and he isn't great at winning the ball in the air with his back to goal....that is not to say he wouldn't score goals in another team...or under a different manager.

We have to remember that he will be 28 next birthday - the time when a striker should be at his peak and he won't improve after that.

 

Time will tell....

 

His shooting efficiency at the tail-end last year was an anomoly. The truth sits somewhere inbetween, and in Germany he was usually near the top of the said shooting efficiency charts.

 

The greatest indicator of an in-form striker isn't necessarily physical one. Cisse's movement off-the-ball still looks pretty sharp. The snapping at chances is a signal of a striker who has lost his awareness of space around him (how close defenders actually are). This internal compass is off centre, and when this compass is onsong they're acutely aware of that little bit of extra time they have to pull the trigger. It might just be a few frames, in real time and it's a fine line, however it's the difference between snapping at chance & actually taking a touch (to get balanced), or getting his centre of gravity/body positioning/weight transferance just right when hitting a first-time shot.

 

Cisse has spent too much time this season isolated, back-to-goal, often forced into physical contests (for 50/50 balls, at best) with big athletic PL centrehalves. The consequence of this: his strikers' internal compass (awareness of space) is way off centre atm. I know he's found his way on to the scoresheets recently, but he still has the look of a striker who is hearing footsteps, and looks rushed in front of goal as a result.

 

Cracking post Chibas :thup: