Jordan Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 Yeah, think a top class striker is essential in the summer. I was one of the people who was relieved when Ba went as I thought Cisse was suffering through his selfishness and the rigid 4-4-2 but it seems he's just having a shit season, the amount of chances he's missed this season has been frustrating as fuck. I honestly feel we wouldn't be where we are in the table if Ba was playing in this side instead of Cisse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 IS that it then, we are now giving up on Cisse ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 We need to create more for him, yesterday wasn't good enough on that front and it hasn't been since Chelsea. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 No. We just need another real option. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
durhamunigeordie Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 I still believe. Just needs a bit of composure and a bit of luck. If he goes on a goalscoring run now he can still turn it into a respectable season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 He needs some competition as well for his place that isn't Shola. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 No. We just need another real option. Can you not count? We need to create more opportunities, unless you honestly believe one chance a game is good service? Is another striker going to be more clinical considering how little we create? The average conversion rate for a top striker is 20%. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 There's games where he has had shit loads of chances and fucked up. I'm not turning on him, i fucking love him but we need a striker for when Cisse's out of form who can come in and do the job. Shola is not even slightly good enough. If Cisse get's injured we're stuck with him first choice for the rest of the season which would depress me, i'd probably give up on football Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 He hasn't been good enough this season in fulfilling his main responsibility for the team: scoring goals when presented with chances. He isn't Luiz Suarez or Carlos Tevez, and the creative side of his game isn't even nearly good enough (even at its best) for him to escape deserved criticism for his poor goal-scoring record this season by virtue of having been more concerned with creating chances for others/link-up play. His season has been a 4/10. He's scored just one more league goal than Cabaye ffs, who has been out injured for ages. There ought to be repercussions for this, but at our club, there almost never is with certain individuals (cf. Pardew). He's not finished and no one's given up on him with any finality, but he has been shit this season. Don't see any two ways about that personally. It's not a form issue either IMO, it's been season-long thing (though during parts of the season when he's been played on the wing for example, there have been obvious and genuine mitigating factors) - so it's not something to be dismissed/ignored IMO. If he can't demonstrate the sort of form/prowess which instils confidence in the crowd that if he got a chance, he will bury it, then I'd have serious reservations about him being our main striker next season tbh. Especially since he's pretty much our only striker atm. Right now, I dread the thought of him taking a penalty, let alone him ballooning a regular chance then smiling at the sky with whimsy in his eyes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoveItIfWeBeatU Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 I can only remember him having the one real chance yesterday. We need to create more chances for Cissé as he isn't scoring with every chance this season. Other players need to score more goals too. I think I read we are the only team left in the Premiership with a defender who hasn't scored this season. We do need another decent striker in the Summer too. We can't go with just Cissé and Ameobi (I'm not sure if Gouffran is a striker or a forward player) again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 No. We just need another real option. Can you not count? We need to create more opportunities, unless you honestly believe one chance a game is good service? Is another striker going to be more clinical considering how little we create? The average conversion rate for a top striker is 20%. For 18 months we've had strikers that can score regularly. Now, with a better team, we aren't creating the chances? Cool. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 Has he scored in consecutive games this season? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 He's had a couple of matches where he's missed a few (Reading and Chelsea) but I think overall, he's had less than one chance a game this year, 6 goals is about right considering the abysmal service. We were dreadful in the opening 2 months especially, I can barely think of any opportunities he had and he's not the type to overpower others to finish scraps, like Ba. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 No. We just need another real option. Can you not count? We need to create more opportunities, unless you honestly believe one chance a game is good service? Is another striker going to be more clinical considering how little we create? The average conversion rate for a top striker is 20%. For 18 months we've had strikers that can score regularly. Now, with a better team, we aren't creating the chances? Cool. They are 2 completely different strikers. One finished off scraps, literally only scoring twice from outside the box in his whole time here (one a deflected free kick vs Arsenal), the other isn't like that, he needs service and scores a variety of goals. You play to your striker's strengths as he's the one who wins you games, we don't do that with our current one. Edit: Adding to what I said. You've obviously been duped into thinking we're some kind of creative team, Dropout. I'd say Ba's fantastic ability to get something out of nothing in the box has masked our creative deficiencies, this year in particular. We've leaned on strikers in hot form for too long, we need to be more expansive as a team, apart from a few games last year, we simply haven't played to our potential under Pardew. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 Has he scored in consecutive games this season? Nope. Got 4 in 12 at present, which could easily be 6 in 12 if you consider the Metalist home game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 PE Aubameyang would be a good addition to the team in the close season, but I feel we need someone in the Bony mould as an alternative option to Cisse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 PE Aubameyang would be a good addition to the team in the close season, but I feel we need someone in the Bony mould as an alternative option to Cisse. Tbf Aubameyang could act as an alternative to Cisse and a winger to play alongside him, that is the beauty of it. Either way we need a striker, everyone knows it hopefully the board and Pardew do also. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 "6 goals is about right". Bullshit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 "6 goals is about right". Bullshit. Considering the complete lack of service to him, I'm afraid it is, like I said, over the season I bet he has had less than a chance a game. You don't find many strikers like Ba who can get so much out of so little. You want Cisse to get goals, give him some openings by getting some movement going on around him and give him some service, like the vast majority of strikers out there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 One of those was a Sammy shot fired off his arse btw. Normally there'd be no point quibbling over a goal here or there, but when that's 16.7% of your league goals... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 Alot of creative players were missing for a lot of the season, he was pushed out to the right to accomidate BA and Shola (at times), been supplied with very little to work off. Its been a shit season, we've been shit over all apart from the odd good half of football. He does snatch at things and does get caught offside but tbh who wouldn't be eager to put the ball in the net, especially when you know your having a bad season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 He has two shots per game on average, which is significantly less than most other strikers. Ba's is around 4.5 while Suarez is nearly 6. It's less than both Cabaye and Ben Arfa as well as Gouffran and Sissoko. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 I can only recal the Villa away game, where we actually played him in on goal. Which he scored. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 He has two shots per game on average, which is significantly less than most other strikers. Ba's is around 4.5 while Suarez is nearly 6. It's less than both Cabaye and Ben Arfa as well as Gouffran and Sissoko. Says it all. Those first couple of months I really felt for him, he just didn't get a sniff. Ba's gone but we still expect the same results from a completely different player, we've got to play to his strengths more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 He has two shots per game on average, which is significantly less than most other strikers. Ba's is around 4.5 while Suarez is nearly 6. It's less than both Cabaye and Ben Arfa as well as Gouffran and Sissoko. Bloody hell its worse than i thought, although that isn't just a creativity thing that is also due to poor movement IMO. His movement off the ball is nowhere near at the level it was last season, which i can only put down to confidence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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