Guest bimpy474 Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 What an awful comparison. Oh no it's not. A better comparison would be our players refusing to play on Sundays because it's their day of rest. Now how is that better than murdering children for disrespect ? , Nut, you gone too far with this Sunday nonsense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Makes me laugh so many people saying "he's picking and choosing what he wants from Islam" Err so? That's what religion is. The Christians on our team don't murder children that disrespect their parents (as far as I know) so they're picking and choosing what they want from the Bible too. I just hope it gets sorted out so that Cisse is happy to play for us. Any other result is unsatisfactory. I'll always back him ahead of our loyalty to a bunch of scumbags like Wonga. it would be if they made a point of protesting about the sponsorship by a child kiilling company while not being bothered about another one because they killed fewer children directly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 The other worrying thing about this is the knock-on effects it may have on the other players. Cisse seems like quite a happy-go-lucky, friendly guy to me and those who've met him say the same. Generally he plays the game with a smile on his face. I can't imagine him being precluded from a pre-season training and team-building trip with the rest of the entire playing squad is something that they feel too cracking about, particularly considering he's our number one striker. I wouldn't assume that Cisse has the support of the other players. The other Muslim players aren't raising the same objection, and I would imagine a large part of the squad feel that Cisse is being hypocritical, for the same reasons as several on here. Is that scenario any better? Well if most of the squad are generally understanding of the Club's stance, morale and unity won't be affected as much. Obviously the players know Cisse better than any of us on here. I just think you're making an assumption about their attitudes to the overall situation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 What an awful comparison. Oh no it's not. A better comparison would be our players refusing to play on Sundays because it's their day of rest. Not really. It's all in there and the book makes no distinction between what is more necessary under God's Law than anything else. "I've done everything the Bible says Lord, even the stuff that contradicts the other stuff" - Ned Flanders Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superior Acuña Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Makes me laugh so many people saying "he's picking and choosing what he wants from Islam" Err so? That's what religion is. The Christians on our team don't murder children that disrespect their parents (as far as I know) so they're picking and choosing what they want from the Bible too. I just hope it gets sorted out so that Cisse is happy to play for us. Any other result is unsatisfactory. I'll always back him ahead of our loyalty to a bunch of scumbags like Wonga. Indeed, that's what most religious people do, but Cisse's being so blatantly inconsistent that I'm sceptical. Sponsor changes from company that charges interest to company that charges more interest seems a strange time to stage a boycott. I'd back Cisse over Wonga but I'm sceptical it really is Cisse v Wonga. I also don't think religion should be grounds for special treatment. If they allow others to not wear it cos they consider them exploitative, then great. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ujpest doza Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Have to say, it's really weird that people are jumping to the conclusion that he has any other agenda than just not wanting to wear the shirt. just seems a lame thing to take a stand on given he's been ok with it in the past. I think we need to realise that Wonga are a lot worse than Virgin Money. I'm sorry but they are not and I agree with Madras that Barclays are even worse. he 's just using this as an excuse to engineer a move. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Going to Fulham? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Have to say, it's really weird that people are jumping to the conclusion that he has any other agenda than just not wanting to wear the shirt. just seems a lame thing to take a stand on given he's been ok with it in the past. I think we need to realise that Wonga are a lot worse than Virgin Money. I'm sorry but they are not and I agree with Madras that Barclays are even worse. he 's just using this as an excuse to engineer a move. Or he disagrees with your assessment of who is worse. Maybe he is trying to engineer a move but i don't think it's all that mad to suggest he thinks normal banks and personally gambling is one thing and payday loan companies are more extreme Of course this is football and silly to trust things at first glance, maybe he is trying to engineer a move, seems a strange way to go about it, and the club's reaction has been poor imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 All the club can do is perhaps agree a deal with Wonga whereby Cisse can play without the sponsor on his kits. Wonga will be loving this the amount of free publicity they've had. I am sure in the end that is what will happen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 wonga are our new sponsors, paying £8 million a year to do so, there is no way on earth they will allow a player not to wear there logo. It is a kick in the teeth for their company Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Probably wouldn't bother the sponsors so much if he wasn't the only player allowed to score a goal or enter the opposition penalty area. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 The other worrying thing about this is the knock-on effects it may have on the other players. Cisse seems like quite a happy-go-lucky, friendly guy to me and those who've met him say the same. Generally he plays the game with a smile on his face. I can't imagine him being precluded from a pre-season training and team-building trip with the rest of the entire playing squad is something that they feel too cracking about, particularly considering he's our number one striker. I wouldn't assume that Cisse has the support of the other players. The other Muslim players aren't raising the same objection, and I would imagine a large part of the squad feel that Cisse is being hypocritical, for the same reasons as several on here. Is that scenario any better? Well if most of the squad are generally understanding of the Club's stance, morale and unity won't be affected as much. Obviously the players know Cisse better than any of us on here. I just think you're making an assumption about their attitudes to the overall situation. I'm not making any assumptions, I'm saying it worries me that there may be disgruntled players or as you suggest splits in the camp. Either way, we don't need this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Probably wouldn't bother the sponsors so much if he wasn't the only player allowed to score a goal or enter the opposition penalty area. allowed ? after ba left it seemed we didn't have anyone bar cisse who had it in their game, see why sissoko was pushed forward. it's not ben arfa's game to get in the box, nor cabaye's or jonas, gouffran always got ther late but, if you think the they were told "don't go in the box" then thats up to you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Surprised they're allowed on the pitch tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toon Hoser Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 The last shirt I bought with a name was Cissé, OF COURSE. Next time, it's Ameobi. I swear. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Makes me laugh so many people saying "he's picking and choosing what he wants from Islam" Err so? That's what religion is. The Christians on our team don't murder children that disrespect their parents (as far as I know) so they're picking and choosing what they want from the Bible too. I just hope it gets sorted out so that Cisse is happy to play for us. Any other result is unsatisfactory. I'll always back him ahead of our loyalty to a bunch of scumbags like Wonga. Makes me laugh how people are able to pick and choose what elements of religion they like but they still hold the high groung in your eyes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummie Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Makes me laugh so many people saying "he's picking and choosing what he wants from Islam" Err so? That's what religion is. The Christians on our team don't murder children that disrespect their parents (as far as I know) so they're picking and choosing what they want from the Bible too. I just hope it gets sorted out so that Cisse is happy to play for us. Any other result is unsatisfactory. I'll always back him ahead of our loyalty to a bunch of scumbags like Wonga. Makes me laugh how people are able to pick and choose what elements of religion they like but they still hold the high groung in your eyes. Isn't being religious, almost by definition, in a society likes ours today a matter of picking and choosing, though? That's largely how, if you take away the influence of insane fundamentalists - of every religion - religions survive? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Makes me laugh so many people saying "he's picking and choosing what he wants from Islam" Err so? That's what religion is. The Christians on our team don't murder children that disrespect their parents (as far as I know) so they're picking and choosing what they want from the Bible too. I just hope it gets sorted out so that Cisse is happy to play for us. Any other result is unsatisfactory. I'll always back him ahead of our loyalty to a bunch of scumbags like Wonga. Makes me laugh how people are able to pick and choose what elements of religion they like but they still hold the high groung in your eyes. Isn't being religious, almost by definition, in a society likes ours today a matter of picking and choosing, though? That's largely how, if you take away the influence of insane fundamentalists - of every religion - religions survive? to a point, the problem being if you pick and choose you have to be consistent with what you choose. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummie Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Makes me laugh so many people saying "he's picking and choosing what he wants from Islam" Err so? That's what religion is. The Christians on our team don't murder children that disrespect their parents (as far as I know) so they're picking and choosing what they want from the Bible too. I just hope it gets sorted out so that Cisse is happy to play for us. Any other result is unsatisfactory. I'll always back him ahead of our loyalty to a bunch of scumbags like Wonga. Makes me laugh how people are able to pick and choose what elements of religion they like but they still hold the high groung in your eyes. Isn't being religious, almost by definition, in a society likes ours today a matter of picking and choosing, though? That's largely how, if you take away the influence of insane fundamentalists - of every religion - religions survive? to a point, the problem being if you pick and choose you have to be consistent with what you choose. Quite right. I chose to ignore all of it. *drinks booze, gambles, lends money, eats pork, beef, draws cartoon of Allah* Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Wonga are scum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Wonga are scum. barclays are scum also, he's objecting to only one, why ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belfast Mags Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Wonga are scum. "Wants Dennis Wise back" (just noticed that) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Makes me laugh so many people saying "he's picking and choosing what he wants from Islam" Err so? That's what religion is. The Christians on our team don't murder children that disrespect their parents (as far as I know) so they're picking and choosing what they want from the Bible too. I just hope it gets sorted out so that Cisse is happy to play for us. Any other result is unsatisfactory. I'll always back him ahead of our loyalty to a bunch of scumbags like Wonga. Makes me laugh how people are able to pick and choose what elements of religion they like but they still hold the high groung in your eyes. Isn't being religious, almost by definition, in a society likes ours today a matter of picking and choosing, though? That's largely how, if you take away the influence of insane fundamentalists - of every religion - religions survive? to a point, the problem being if you pick and choose you have to be consistent with what you choose. Quite right. I chose to ignore all of it. *drinks booze, gambles, lends money, eats pork, beef, draws cartoon of Allah* Oooh I'd like to see that. (madras in get rid of non-nufcers off the board attempt) (only kidding brummie ) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Wonga are scum. barclays are scum also, he's objecting to only one, why ? I guess cause he doesn't have to wear it on his chest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Wonga are scum. "Wants Dennis Wise back" (just noticed that) I've written to the ECHR about that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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