TRon Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 The only way he's going to get back his confidence is if he has a run of games where he gets a lot of chances. We can't afford to play like that though, I also doubt we've got a coach who can get the system to generate said chances. Gouffran through the middle from now on. Gouffran will offer even less through the middle IMO. I know he's flavour of the month right now, and Cisse is the pantomime villain, but I haven't seen anything to suggest Gouff is going to be an effective CF. All those games Gouffran has played as a centre forward for us. It's got to the point where Cisse is literally doing more harm than good, why the hell wouldn't you want to give a bloke who has shown to be effective centrally for another club a run of games there? It actually makes me angry the pathetic excuses Cisse is getting now I would actually prefer Gouffran to be given a go at CF, if only to bust this myth he'll be any good at it. What he did in the French league isn't likely to count for much in the premier IMO. He looks far worse than Cisse in the air, and doesn't look to have any poacher's instinct either. Does not compute Can you name me one instant where Gouffran's shown any aerial ability? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
quayside Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Got to buy a striker in the January window - someone who leads the line and poses a threat in open play, a Lukaka or Benteke type. Cisse is a poacher and when his mojo is missing he gives us less than nothing. Is Gomis the answer? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Give him time, he'll turn it round. Look at Tiote at the minute. We need a forward thinking Manager instead of this negative ring piece we have at present. Oh and fuck the coaches an all, what are they fucking playing at. It goes without saying that he's been awful for a while now (I thought he was alright tonight tbh, but I've become used to the howls of derision every time he touches the ball) but stuff like just running offside over and over again simply smacks of extraordinarily bad coaching. People will argue that it's up to him to sort that out but it really isn't, that's what coaches are for, you can guarantee that any other club would actually be working on it extremely hard in training and I doubt that sort of thing is terribly difficult to iron out. Maybe they are trying... personally I doubt it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 The only way he's going to get back his confidence is if he has a run of games where he gets a lot of chances. We can't afford to play like that though, I also doubt we've got a coach who can get the system to generate said chances. Gouffran through the middle from now on. Gouffran will offer even less through the middle IMO. I know he's flavour of the month right now, and Cisse is the pantomime villain, but I haven't seen anything to suggest Gouff is going to be an effective CF. All those games Gouffran has played as a centre forward for us. It's got to the point where Cisse is literally doing more harm than good, why the hell wouldn't you want to give a bloke who has shown to be effective centrally for another club a run of games there? It actually makes me angry the pathetic excuses Cisse is getting now I would actually prefer Gouffran to be given a go at CF, if only to bust this myth he'll be any good at it. What he did in the French league isn't likely to count for much in the premier IMO. He looks far worse than Cisse in the air, and doesn't look to have any poacher's instinct either. Does not compute Can you name me one instant where Gouffran's shown any aerial ability? Heh? Look at that bolded phrase and tell me what it has to do with Gouffran? A midget couldn't be far worse than Cisse in the air, seeing as Cisse has next to no arial presence or ability. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemtizz Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Started to look better tonight. Isn't saying much. Yeah, he could actually play a pass more than 3 yards. I was in shock every time he kept the ball and laid it off. I don't mind players like him being offside now and again but he doesn't even look ffs, he just walks and hopes the linesmans a tard. It's so infuriating to watch his 'movement'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 A 28 year old shouldn't need to be coached about looking across the line. Are player's memories wiped every time they move to a new club? Christ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foluwashola Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Give him time, he'll turn it round. Look at Tiote at the minute. We need a forward thinking Manager instead of this negative ring piece we have at present. Oh and fuck the coaches an all, what are they fucking playing at. It goes without saying that he's been awful for a while now (I thought he was alright tonight tbh, but I've become used to the howls of derision every time he touches the ball) but stuff like just running offside over and over again simply smacks of extraordinarily bad coaching. People will argue that it's up to him to sort that out but it really isn't, that's what coaches are for, you can guarantee that any other club would actually be working on it extremely hard in training and I doubt that sort of thing is terribly difficult to iron out. Maybe they are trying... personally I doubt it. Premier League coaches shouldn't really be there to teach a 28 year old #9 the offside rule. No doubt his goalscoring has been effected by the teams general shitness, but no amount of bad coaching excuses how shit he has been of late. Hope he sorts himself out, but it is looking more and more likely that he isn't going to return to the level we saw when he arrived. Edit: Wut Cajun Sed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 A 28 year old shouldn't need to be coached about looking across the line. Are player's memories wiped every time they move to a new club? Christ A 28 year old shouldn't need coached about passing a ball, about finishing a chance, about crossing a ball. But they all get coached nevertheless. Absolutely preposterous statement Jon. They're all extremely well paid to get the best out of the players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 It's only a matter of time before Remy turns to absolute shite/gets signficantly worse at football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PineBarrens Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 A 28 year old shouldn't need to be coached about looking across the line. Are player's memories wiped every time they move to a new club? Christ You forget a certain Alan Shearer needing to be coached by Bobby Robson when he arrived in 1999? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 It's only a matter of time before Remy turns to absolute shite/gets signficantly worse at football. Yep, been saying that for weeks. It's already begun. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnes23 Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Give him time, he'll turn it round. Look at Tiote at the minute. We need a forward thinking Manager instead of this negative ring piece we have at present. Oh and f*** the coaches an all, what are they f***ing playing at. I think Cisse's problems at the moment go beyond tactical questions but I bet he looks better at his next club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 The only way he's going to get back his confidence is if he has a run of games where he gets a lot of chances. We can't afford to play like that though, I also doubt we've got a coach who can get the system to generate said chances. Gouffran through the middle from now on. Gouffran will offer even less through the middle IMO. I know he's flavour of the month right now, and Cisse is the pantomime villain, but I haven't seen anything to suggest Gouff is going to be an effective CF. All those games Gouffran has played as a centre forward for us. It's got to the point where Cisse is literally doing more harm than good, why the hell wouldn't you want to give a bloke who has shown to be effective centrally for another club a run of games there? It actually makes me angry the pathetic excuses Cisse is getting now I would actually prefer Gouffran to be given a go at CF, if only to bust this myth he'll be any good at it. What he did in the French league isn't likely to count for much in the premier IMO. He looks far worse than Cisse in the air, and doesn't look to have any poacher's instinct either. Does not compute Can you name me one instant where Gouffran's shown any aerial ability? Heh? Look at that bolded phrase and tell me what it has to do with Gouffran? A midget couldn't be far worse than Cisse on the air, seeing as Cisse has next to no arial presence or ability. Mate, you are just talking rubbish. Gouffran is far better in some aspects than Cisse, but as a CF isn't one of them. Cisse wins far more headers, and has scored far more goals you would associate with a top striker over his career. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 It's only a matter of time before Remy turns to absolute shite/gets signficantly worse at football. Yep, been saying that for weeks. It's already begun. We'll need to get him a new full international then Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 A 28 year old shouldn't need to be coached about looking across the line. Are player's memories wiped every time they move to a new club? Christ A 28 year old shouldn't need coached about passing a ball, about finishing a chance, about crossing a ball. But they all get coached nevertheless. Absolutely preposterous statement Jon. They're all extremely well paid to get the best out of the players. The excuses are getting worse. If you honestly think his moronic offsides are down to coaching then I really don't know what to say. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 A 28 year old shouldn't need to be coached about looking across the line. Are player's memories wiped every time they move to a new club? Christ A 28 year old shouldn't need coached about passing a ball, about finishing a chance, about crossing a ball. But they all get coached nevertheless. Absolutely preposterous statement Jon. They're all extremely well paid to get the best out of the players. The excuses are getting worse. If you honestly think his moronic offsides are down to coaching then I really don't know what to say. And because of that, you don't think the coaching team should be attempting to do anything about it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foluwashola Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 A 28 year old shouldn't need to be coached about looking across the line. Are player's memories wiped every time they move to a new club? Christ A 28 year old shouldn't need coached about passing a ball, about finishing a chance, about crossing a ball. But they all get coached nevertheless. Absolutely preposterous statement Jon. They're all extremely well paid to get the best out of the players. The excuses are getting worse. If you honestly think his moronic offsides are down to coaching then I really don't know what to say. Aye, Cisse's offsides are caused by him being an incredibly stupid human. Just look at his face. Look into his eyes and you will notice there is absolutely nothing behind them. A good instinct finisher when in form but can't be relied on for a whole season. We knew this was the case but our dear leader hasn't invested and here we are. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foluwashola Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 A 28 year old shouldn't need to be coached about looking across the line. Are player's memories wiped every time they move to a new club? Christ A 28 year old shouldn't need coached about passing a ball, about finishing a chance, about crossing a ball. But they all get coached nevertheless. Absolutely preposterous statement Jon. They're all extremely well paid to get the best out of the players. The excuses are getting worse. If you honestly think his moronic offsides are down to coaching then I really don't know what to say. And because of that, you don't think the coaching team should be attempting to do anything about it? Can Carver perform brain surgery? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Can we blame all our players inabilities on poor coaching? Obertan would probably play like Bale with a run of games and a good set of coaches behind him. I mean he looks as thick as fuck too in his decision making so it must be linked. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 A 28 year old shouldn't need to be coached about looking across the line. Are player's memories wiped every time they move to a new club? Christ A 28 year old shouldn't need coached about passing a ball, about finishing a chance, about crossing a ball. But they all get coached nevertheless. Absolutely preposterous statement Jon. They're all extremely well paid to get the best out of the players. The excuses are getting worse. If you honestly think his moronic offsides are down to coaching then I really don't know what to say. I said this after the Sunderland game, there was a peach of a cross came in from the left in the 55th minute and Cisse and Gouffran ended up attacking the same ball at the near post, and the ball sailed over to the far post harmlessly. Similar today when an offside Gouffran took the ball away from Cisse in a certain goal situation due to lack of understanding. If it's not lack of coaching or training drills, what else would you put this down to? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shays Given Tim Flowers Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 A 28 year old shouldn't need to be coached about looking across the line. Are player's memories wiped every time they move to a new club? Christ A 28 year old shouldn't need coached about passing a ball, about finishing a chance, about crossing a ball. But they all get coached nevertheless. Absolutely preposterous statement Jon. They're all extremely well paid to get the best out of the players. The excuses are getting worse. If you honestly think his moronic offsides are down to coaching then I really don't know what to say. Offsides aren't really the problem here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 The odd rare incident where forwards might both attack the same ball. The same shite was spouted when Ba was here but Cisse became a world beater again when he left, as predicted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 The odd rare incident where forwards might both attack the same ball. The same s**** was spouted when Ba was here but Cisse became a world beater again when he left, as predicted. To be fair to Cisse, he was a world beater until he was shunted on to the wing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BONTEMPI Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Can we blame all our players inabilities on poor coaching? Obertan would probably play like Bale with a run of games and a good set of coaches behind him. I mean he looks as thick as fuck too in his decision making so it must be linked. Our players inabilities are what the coaches are there for, to ultimately work on their weaknesses. As most of our players seem to be going backwards since arriving, do you not think it's because of the shortfalls in the quality of our coaching staff that are to blame as well as Parpoo? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Cisse is just a poor player Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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