Skirge Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 Robbed blind of a goal, was onside poor fker Was he? Haven't actually seen the game back yet. Just assumed with it being Cisse, the linesman was obviously right Yeah he was on, harsh for the lad to be so low and fins the target to have it ruled out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DebuchyAndTheBeast Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 I'm still confused about the offside law. Does his whole body have to be level or just his "scoring parts" ( ) ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanSkÃrare Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 The thing I don't understand is his hold up and link up play. When he first joined, I don't remember thinking this part of his game was poor at all. If he was still doing these things well, then it would be fine to keep him in the first team till he found his goal scoring touch again. However, this part of his game has been so diabolically bad it's untrue. Therefore, we can't afford to carry him. This is what ultimately annoys me the most, as there is no reason this part of his game should be suffering, as he is capable of doing it so much better, like he was when he first joined. Very annoying. He supposedly did hold up the ball quite well when he was at Freiburg, was on his own up front a lot. Really weird as he most often looks unable to control the ball, hold off defenders or win headers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 I'm still confused about the offside law. Does his whole body have to be level or just his "scoring parts" ( ) ? Think it's actually any part of the body, but might be wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 His all-round game was fine (albeit nothing special) when he first joined us and seemed to get better and better the more goals he scored. I think that's the issue here, that he's one of the biggest examples of a confidence player we've ever seen at the club - he's either scoring belters or his whole game turns to absolute shit with no decent hold-up play, misplaced passes and multiple offsides. If he turns around his goalscoring form then you'd hope his all-round play would also improve, but it really should be the other way around for a striker in bad form trying to turn things around, i.e. playing the right way and seeing the goals follow. I can't help feeling like he's finished at NUFC tbh, aside from a few important goals he's been poor for the best part of 18 months. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 IFAB Decision 1: Consideration should be given to any part of the head, body or feet of the attacker in relation to the second last defender, the ball or the halfway line . For the purposes of this decision, the arms are not considered to be part of the body. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 FWIW I haven't seen the incident. Any gifs/stills floating about? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 His all-round game was fine (albeit nothing special) when he first joined us and seemed to get better and better the more goals he scored. I think that's the issue here, that he's one of the biggest examples of a confidence player we've ever seen at the club - he's either scoring belters or his whole game turns to absolute s*** with no decent hold-up play, misplaced passes and multiple offsides. If he turns around his goalscoring form then you'd hope his all-round play would also improve, but it really should be the other way around for a striker in bad form trying to turn things around, i.e. playing the right way and seeing the goals follow. I can't help feeling like he's finished at NUFC tbh, aside from a few important goals he's been poor for the best part of 18 months. I'm 100% with you 'Polic. And personally, I wish he'd get back to his smiley scoring best for the better of the team, himself, and of course us. I just hate to see him completely fall apart after starting to epically for us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 Yeah I don't see him being a 1 in 2 striker anymore. I don't even think he's the type where a goal will set him off, we've had that for the last year and a bit (Man U in the League Cup, when it went in off his arse, the Leeds goal...) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 The Wonga thing surely didn't help, whatever the real reasons behind it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 The Wonga thing surely didn't help, whatever the real reasons behind it. As a player who needs to be sharp to be effective, himself/the club robbing him of the best chance to start the season that way was typically farcical. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 I've realised that the reason Cisse is offside so much, other than his apparent indifference / a lack of awareness(!), is that he doesn't have the confidence in himself to outpace or outmuscle an opposing defender, so he'll almost always go too early. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRD Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 I'm still confused about the offside law. Does his whole body have to be level or just his "scoring parts" ( ) ? Think it's actually any part of the body, but might be wrong. Any playable part of the body which is basically everything except the arms. I had only one look at the replay and from what I see he was already on his run with his torso arched forward in an 'offside' position, in front of the last defender. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 I'm still confused about the offside law. Does his whole body have to be level or just his "scoring parts" ( ) ? Any part of the body which can be scored with.... so anything apart from the hands basically. Edit: Beaten. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 I'm still confused about the offside law. Does his whole body have to be level or just his "scoring parts" ( ) ? Think it's actually any part of the body, but might be wrong. Any playable part of the body which is basically everything except the arms. I had only one look at the replay and from what I see he was already on his run with his torso arched forward in an 'offside' position, in front of the last defender. Linesman wasn't level with play (so he shouldn't have guessed), so from his perspective Cisse would have looked more offside than on, if you look at the cut on the pitch he's level at worst as the ball is played. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRD Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 His feet was level with the defender's but his torso was already leaning forward and it's an offside by the rules. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
healthyaddiction Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 His feet was level with the defender's but his torso was already leaning forward and it's an offside by the rules. From what I remember the Norwich defenders leg was way back behind himself which plays Cisse well on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRD Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 I'm basing it on the one look I have of the replay. Shame there ain't any gifs floating around which allows a second look. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 It's definitely a 'the decision could have gone either way' one, imo. In slow motion and stopped I think he's just about onside, but it's really fine and in real-time I thought he was off, I must admit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 I'm basing it on the one look I have of the replay. Shame there ain't any gifs floating around which allows a second look. Shocking quality but Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 Still feel the way i felt when i saw it live.... its onside, the only thing that is past the defender is his hands and that doesn't count anyway. Oh well in the end it doesn't matter as we won the game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 It's all missing the point. He had so much space there was absolutely no need for him to even make it a close decision. Past examples show he has a very poor understanding of the offside rule. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 It's all missing the point. He had so much space there was absolutely no need for him to even make it a close decision. Past examples show he has a very poor understanding of the offside rule. Well to a point, but he was actually onside so you could argue he made the move at exactly the right time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 Agree with alexf, absolutely no need for Cisse to give the linesman something to think about. He could have been a yard onside and still left their defender with no chance of getting back in time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 I'm basing it on the one look I have of the replay. Shame there ain't any gifs floating around which allows a second look. Shocking quality but And at the wrong angle. May as well have just drawn a picture on Paint. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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