S.S.R. Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/16652620 Not relating to his fascist beliefs, just a bizarre interview. It could be off The Day Today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 Probably already been quoted but guess which political figure said this: "Di Canio is an exhibitionist. His salute didn't have any significance. He's a good lad." Shaka Hislop? Google wasn't your friend there man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Cajun Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 I don't think us signing Barton or Bowyer is by any means on the same level, but I can't say I was happy about us spending good money on thugs to wear the shirt. Think it's a different issue though. Plus neither were ignored by the media where as some seem to think Di Canio is the first appointment that has ever been questioned like this. Woodgate had to field questions about racism in his first ever press conference ("I'm not racist, I'm black and white" ). It's absolutely no shock that his move to Swindon wasn't picked up all that much but a premiership club appointing him was obviously going to get more attention, here and from the looks of it international press. Fascism is something that isn't tolerated in this country, having an openly fascist manager taking over one of the top 20 teams in the country in one of the most influential leagues? It was always going to get attention. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ItalianMagpie Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/16652620 Not relating to his fascist beliefs, just a bizarre interview. It could be off The Day Today. Dafaq is he talking about? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 I don't think us signing Barton or Bowyer is by any means on the same level, but I can't say I was happy about us spending good money on thugs to wear the shirt. Think it's a different issue though. Plus neither were ignored by the media where as some seem to think Di Canio is the first appointment that has ever been questioned like this. Woodgate had to field questions about racism in his first ever press conference ("I'm not racist, I'm black and white" ). It's absolutely no shock that his move to Swindon wasn't picked up all that much but a premiership club appointing him was obviously going to get more attention, here and from the looks of it international press. Fascism is something that isn't tolerated in this country, having an openly fascist manager taking over one of the top 20 teams in the country in one of the most influential leagues? It was always going to get attention. One thing about Di Canio is that the British press and the public in general held him in great affection when he was a player here. When he went back to Italy and started acting a nutter not so much, and I'd argue that the press thought him a harmless and entertaining sideshow when appointed as manager of a lower league team. And most of the public don't care much about anything below the Premier League. I think we'd have a bit of a fuss about the Fascist stuff no matter which Premier League club he joined, the Miliband stuff has raised the profile of it though. I'd personally be fuming if he was joining our club, but what can you say - when you're in the situation where your club might get relegated then some fans forget principles and what they'd probably point their fingers at other fans for, and go back to backing their club and unfortunately sometimes siding with unsavoury characters. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 just seen the thing about the miners Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 I don't think us signing Barton or Bowyer is by any means on the same level, but I can't say I was happy about us spending good money on thugs to wear the shirt. Think it's a different issue though. Plus neither were ignored by the media where as some seem to think Di Canio is the first appointment that has ever been questioned like this. Woodgate had to field questions about racism in his first ever press conference ("I'm not racist, I'm black and white" ). It's absolutely no shock that his move to Swindon wasn't picked up all that much but a premiership club appointing him was obviously going to get more attention, here and from the looks of it international press. Fascism is something that isn't tolerated in this country, having an openly fascist manager taking over one of the top 20 teams in the country in one of the most influential leagues? It was always going to get attention. One thing about Di Canio is that the British press and the public in general held him in great affection when he was a player here. When he went back to Italy and started acting a nutter not so much, and I'd argue that the press thought him a harmless and entertaining sideshow when appointed as manager of a lower league team. And most of the public don't care much about anything below the Premier League. I think we'd have a bit of a fuss about the Fascist stuff no matter which Premier League club he joined, the Miliband stuff has raised the profile of it though. I'd personally be fuming if he was joining our club, but what can you say - when you're in the situation where your club might get relegated then some fans forget principles and what they'd probably point their fingers at other fans for, and go back to backing their club and unfortunately sometimes siding with unsavoury characters. the thing is I doubt there would be half as much questioning it or bother (at least from the British Press) if it was West Ham who were in this situation and took this leap of faith simply because of what he did for them. Quite frankly I wouldn't be questioning him on his political beliefs myself but on the fact that they've replaced a highly experienced manager and (much as I don't buy into the hype of O'Neill) someone with a good track record and by all accounts was well liked by the sunderland players and whom the crowd had not turned against, in the middle of a relegation fight for someone with 18 months managerial experience at League 1 and 2 level and is a nutjob with a record for falling out with players and getting himself sent off. Stay up or not it will all end in tears Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledGeordie Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 Apart from the whole fascist debate I'd he hangs his players out to dry like he did at Swindon he won't last two seconds Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 I understand some people will be making a big deal out of Di Canio's appointment because they want their 5 minutes in the media, but for others of us this is actually a big deal. Say what you want, but the last thing I want is something to 'cry about' - nor am I a raging lefty. I am going to terminate my season ticket until he leaves, and will return once he leaves I will give the club my money. I understand why for many of you it doesn't matter what his ideology is; and that to you you see football and politics as separate etc. but I just can't. I absolutely believe he has the right to whatever political opinion he wants - but having some political opinions make you unfit for certain jobs. Do you agree with the fact it would be inappropriate for someone who believes in abolishing the age of consent to teach kids? Do you agree with the fact it's right that BNP members can't serve in the police force, as being a national socialist may prevent you from doing your job properly? Personally I believe it's also completely inappropriate that a club which takes a strong anti-racism platform and should be open to all in the community to appoint a fascist as our manager. However it's not even just that he's a fascist - he's chosen to introduce it into his football. He chose to perform nazi salutes - twice - once against Lazio's fiercest rivals with traditionally Jewish support and once against a club with left wing support. That salute was used by those who killed Jews and who killed leftists. Regarding fascism - I think some of you need to research on what it means. The fascism he is talking about re. Mussolini is not somehow a 'light' fascism that's actually about just being nationalistic. It's about the government controlling every aspect of citizens lives - the term totalitarian was invented under fascist Italy. Mussolini himself said their was no such thing as a private sphere. Fundamental to this belief was that certain races, or groups, are better than others. Mussolini killed 10's of thousands in Africa in brutal & oppressive wars that were purely for the conquest of land and Mussolini personally oversaw the movement of thousands of Jews from Italy to Hitler so they could be executed in concentration camps. He took over the country by force and oppressed political dissent. There are many children alive today who have no idea who their parents/ grandparents are and it's because of Mussolini. You can't be an Italian fascist and not be racist in one form or another. You can't have researched Mussolini, chosen to have a tattoo of him on you and not sympathise with some of the genocide he committed- it's simply too much of a defining feature of what he was. Regarding the 'worked with black players' 'they're my friends' all I would say is that many, many racist people associate with people of other races (it baffles me too; but it's true). Simply saying 'I have black mates' doesn't really do it. I would also observe at Swindon he was investigated for racism and while the FA did nothing Swindon felt it necessary to apologise to the player involved. Overall I completely respect those fans who choose to keep going but for me unfortunately it's a very sore point and the reason I'm posting this is because I want to make clear many of us who are upset about this aren't going on the TV or papers and aren't making a fuss for the hell of it we are genuinely very upset about this and feel like there has been a betrayal of some higher principle which is more important than success on the field. Read more: http://www.readytogo.net/smb/showthread.php?t=771017&page=22#ixzz2PFPuWxqc Decency still exists on the SMB. That's a cracking post, has to be the best post ever made on there. Don't agree. People seriously needs to separate football from politics. What is a football club? What is politics? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varadi Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 From the Telegraph: Paolo di Canio is a fascist. Time to boycott Sunderland http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danhodges/100209856/paolo-di-canio-is-a-fascist-time-to-boycott-sunderland/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan_Taylor Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 I like that everyone has gone from not giving a fuck about them, to finding them a disgrace to football Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcjb Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 they can even make it as BREAKING NEWS on Sky News..BREAKING NEWS ffs..that's what they wanted really..attention..really easy now for them to divert their anger and disgust to the bloke once they're relegated and utterly forget the fact that it was Marty who f***ed them upside down and run the club to ruins on the pitch and also their financial accounts.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 I understand some people will be making a big deal out of Di Canio's appointment because they want their 5 minutes in the media, but for others of us this is actually a big deal. Say what you want, but the last thing I want is something to 'cry about' - nor am I a raging lefty. I am going to terminate my season ticket until he leaves, and will return once he leaves I will give the club my money. I understand why for many of you it doesn't matter what his ideology is; and that to you you see football and politics as separate etc. but I just can't. I absolutely believe he has the right to whatever political opinion he wants - but having some political opinions make you unfit for certain jobs. Do you agree with the fact it would be inappropriate for someone who believes in abolishing the age of consent to teach kids? Do you agree with the fact it's right that BNP members can't serve in the police force, as being a national socialist may prevent you from doing your job properly? Personally I believe it's also completely inappropriate that a club which takes a strong anti-racism platform and should be open to all in the community to appoint a fascist as our manager. However it's not even just that he's a fascist - he's chosen to introduce it into his football. He chose to perform nazi salutes - twice - once against Lazio's fiercest rivals with traditionally Jewish support and once against a club with left wing support. That salute was used by those who killed Jews and who killed leftists. Regarding fascism - I think some of you need to research on what it means. The fascism he is talking about re. Mussolini is not somehow a 'light' fascism that's actually about just being nationalistic. It's about the government controlling every aspect of citizens lives - the term totalitarian was invented under fascist Italy. Mussolini himself said their was no such thing as a private sphere. Fundamental to this belief was that certain races, or groups, are better than others. Mussolini killed 10's of thousands in Africa in brutal & oppressive wars that were purely for the conquest of land and Mussolini personally oversaw the movement of thousands of Jews from Italy to Hitler so they could be executed in concentration camps. He took over the country by force and oppressed political dissent. There are many children alive today who have no idea who their parents/ grandparents are and it's because of Mussolini. You can't be an Italian fascist and not be racist in one form or another. You can't have researched Mussolini, chosen to have a tattoo of him on you and not sympathise with some of the genocide he committed- it's simply too much of a defining feature of what he was. Regarding the 'worked with black players' 'they're my friends' all I would say is that many, many racist people associate with people of other races (it baffles me too; but it's true). Simply saying 'I have black mates' doesn't really do it. I would also observe at Swindon he was investigated for racism and while the FA did nothing Swindon felt it necessary to apologise to the player involved. Overall I completely respect those fans who choose to keep going but for me unfortunately it's a very sore point and the reason I'm posting this is because I want to make clear many of us who are upset about this aren't going on the TV or papers and aren't making a fuss for the hell of it we are genuinely very upset about this and feel like there has been a betrayal of some higher principle which is more important than success on the field. Read more: http://www.readytogo.net/smb/showthread.php?t=771017&page=22#ixzz2PFPuWxqc Decency still exists on the SMB. That's a cracking post, has to be the best post ever made on there. Don't agree. People seriously needs to separate football from politics. What is a football club? What is politics? I've explained the reasoning behind this. A football club is driven like it's a company and not a political party. No one cares, if you are black, white, olive, pale, socialist, conservative, communist when it comes down to football. It's not the 50's or 60's anymore. I'm aware that there is politics in terms of company politics or what you want to call it, but that isn't the same typ of politics being discussed here. What is being discussed here is that a man who has a political view that hasn't interefered with his job is being considered as a disgrace to football. I think it's rather more a disgrace that they have signed a league one manager who clearly has had tons of problems at past clubs. But has he let his fascist view get in the way of his job as a football manager? I can't find any evidence of that. I'm not defending Di Canio, he should know more as an human being. But claiming he's a disgrace while we as a club have signed some thugs in the past and gotten away with it. Come sunday and they beat Chelsea no one is going to care if he's a fascist or not. Football is as fickle of a game as politics and it's pathetic at times. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Icke - Son of God Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 I understand some people will be making a big deal out of Di Canio's appointment because they want their 5 minutes in the media, but for others of us this is actually a big deal. Say what you want, but the last thing I want is something to 'cry about' - nor am I a raging lefty. I am going to terminate my season ticket until he leaves, and will return once he leaves I will give the club my money. I understand why for many of you it doesn't matter what his ideology is; and that to you you see football and politics as separate etc. but I just can't. I absolutely believe he has the right to whatever political opinion he wants - but having some political opinions make you unfit for certain jobs. Do you agree with the fact it would be inappropriate for someone who believes in abolishing the age of consent to teach kids? Do you agree with the fact it's right that BNP members can't serve in the police force, as being a national socialist may prevent you from doing your job properly? Personally I believe it's also completely inappropriate that a club which takes a strong anti-racism platform and should be open to all in the community to appoint a fascist as our manager. However it's not even just that he's a fascist - he's chosen to introduce it into his football. He chose to perform nazi salutes - twice - once against Lazio's fiercest rivals with traditionally Jewish support and once against a club with left wing support. That salute was used by those who killed Jews and who killed leftists. Regarding fascism - I think some of you need to research on what it means. The fascism he is talking about re. Mussolini is not somehow a 'light' fascism that's actually about just being nationalistic. It's about the government controlling every aspect of citizens lives - the term totalitarian was invented under fascist Italy. Mussolini himself said their was no such thing as a private sphere. Fundamental to this belief was that certain races, or groups, are better than others. Mussolini killed 10's of thousands in Africa in brutal & oppressive wars that were purely for the conquest of land and Mussolini personally oversaw the movement of thousands of Jews from Italy to Hitler so they could be executed in concentration camps. He took over the country by force and oppressed political dissent. There are many children alive today who have no idea who their parents/ grandparents are and it's because of Mussolini. You can't be an Italian fascist and not be racist in one form or another. You can't have researched Mussolini, chosen to have a tattoo of him on you and not sympathise with some of the genocide he committed- it's simply too much of a defining feature of what he was. Regarding the 'worked with black players' 'they're my friends' all I would say is that many, many racist people associate with people of other races (it baffles me too; but it's true). Simply saying 'I have black mates' doesn't really do it. I would also observe at Swindon he was investigated for racism and while the FA did nothing Swindon felt it necessary to apologise to the player involved. Overall I completely respect those fans who choose to keep going but for me unfortunately it's a very sore point and the reason I'm posting this is because I want to make clear many of us who are upset about this aren't going on the TV or papers and aren't making a fuss for the hell of it we are genuinely very upset about this and feel like there has been a betrayal of some higher principle which is more important than success on the field. Read more: http://www.readytogo.net/smb/showthread.php?t=771017&page=22#ixzz2PFPuWxqc Decency still exists on the SMB. That's a cracking post, has to be the best post ever made on there. Don't agree. People seriously needs to separate football from politics. What is a football club? What is politics? I've explained the reasoning behind this. A football club is driven like it's a company and not a political party. No one cares, if you are black, white, olive, pale, socialist, conservative, communist when it comes down to football. It's not the 50's or 60's anymore. I'm aware that there is politics in terms of company politics or what you want to call it, but that isn't the same typ of politics being discussed here. What is being discussed here is that a man who has a political view that hasn't interefered with his job is being considered as a disgrace to football. I think it's rather more a disgrace that they have signed a league one manager who clearly has had tons of problems at past clubs. But has he let his fascist view get in the way of his job as a football manager? I can't find any evidence of that. I'm not defending Di Canio, he should know more as an human being. But claiming he's a disgrace while we as a club have signed some thugs in the past and gotten away with it. Come sunday and they beat Chelsea no one is going to care if he's a fascist or not. Football is as fickle of a game as politics and it's pathetic at times. But it has interfered with his job... http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/files/2013/04/dicanio.jpg You're talking about whitewashing the history of the game because you find the political side unpalatable. Politics and football are linked. End of story. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 Politics and football are linked. End of story. can you expand on that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 Politics and football are linked. End of story. can you expand on that? Ask West Ham about their new stadium. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Icke - Son of God Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 Politics and football are linked. End of story. can you expand on that? I already have earlier in the thread. Football clubs represent people and places. They inevitably take on the political identity of those places. Just because the game is a global money making machine does not change that. Barca-Real isn't the biggest game in world football because they're two very good teams. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samag Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/apr/01/sunderlands-own-goal-paolo-di-canio not sure if this has been posted before, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JB Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 I understand some people will be making a big deal out of Di Canio's appointment because they want their 5 minutes in the media, but for others of us this is actually a big deal. Say what you want, but the last thing I want is something to 'cry about' - nor am I a raging lefty. I am going to terminate my season ticket until he leaves, and will return once he leaves I will give the club my money. I understand why for many of you it doesn't matter what his ideology is; and that to you you see football and politics as separate etc. but I just can't. I absolutely believe he has the right to whatever political opinion he wants - but having some political opinions make you unfit for certain jobs. Do you agree with the fact it would be inappropriate for someone who believes in abolishing the age of consent to teach kids? Do you agree with the fact it's right that BNP members can't serve in the police force, as being a national socialist may prevent you from doing your job properly? Personally I believe it's also completely inappropriate that a club which takes a strong anti-racism platform and should be open to all in the community to appoint a fascist as our manager. However it's not even just that he's a fascist - he's chosen to introduce it into his football. He chose to perform nazi salutes - twice - once against Lazio's fiercest rivals with traditionally Jewish support and once against a club with left wing support. That salute was used by those who killed Jews and who killed leftists. Regarding fascism - I think some of you need to research on what it means. The fascism he is talking about re. Mussolini is not somehow a 'light' fascism that's actually about just being nationalistic. It's about the government controlling every aspect of citizens lives - the term totalitarian was invented under fascist Italy. Mussolini himself said their was no such thing as a private sphere. Fundamental to this belief was that certain races, or groups, are better than others. Mussolini killed 10's of thousands in Africa in brutal & oppressive wars that were purely for the conquest of land and Mussolini personally oversaw the movement of thousands of Jews from Italy to Hitler so they could be executed in concentration camps. He took over the country by force and oppressed political dissent. There are many children alive today who have no idea who their parents/ grandparents are and it's because of Mussolini. You can't be an Italian fascist and not be racist in one form or another. You can't have researched Mussolini, chosen to have a tattoo of him on you and not sympathise with some of the genocide he committed- it's simply too much of a defining feature of what he was. Regarding the 'worked with black players' 'they're my friends' all I would say is that many, many racist people associate with people of other races (it baffles me too; but it's true). Simply saying 'I have black mates' doesn't really do it. I would also observe at Swindon he was investigated for racism and while the FA did nothing Swindon felt it necessary to apologise to the player involved. Overall I completely respect those fans who choose to keep going but for me unfortunately it's a very sore point and the reason I'm posting this is because I want to make clear many of us who are upset about this aren't going on the TV or papers and aren't making a fuss for the hell of it we are genuinely very upset about this and feel like there has been a betrayal of some higher principle which is more important than success on the field. Read more: http://www.readytogo.net/smb/showthread.php?t=771017&page=22#ixzz2PFPuWxqc Decency still exists on the SMB. That's a cracking post, has to be the best post ever made on there. Don't agree. People seriously needs to separate football from politics. What is a football club? What is politics? I've explained the reasoning behind this. A football club is driven like it's a company and not a political party. No one cares, if you are black, white, olive, pale, socialist, conservative, communist when it comes down to football. It's not the 50's or 60's anymore. What about Rangers and Celtic, their whole rivalry is based on Protestantism/Loyalism v Catholicism/Republicanism? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 Politics and football are linked. End of story. can you expand on that? I already have earlier in the thread. Football clubs represent people and places. They inevitably take on the political identity of those places. Just because the game is a global money making machine does not change that. Barca-Real isn't the biggest game in world football because they're two very good teams. they do if the places have a political identity to speak of, what's NUFC's political identity out of interest? i'd suggest there are a few exceptions in the game where politics and teams are inextricably linked and mixed, but it's very far from the norm especially in the UK Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrisjraby Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 Can't wait to see him at the derby, cannot see it ending well for his (in)sanity! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/apr/01/sunderlands-own-goal-paolo-di-canio not sure if this has been posted before, I like the end to that article: "While in modern-day Greece they ban you for injuring the human character of football, in Sunderland it can get you made manager." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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