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Dokko

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Sunderland need a striker. Three observations.

 

1. MON said last week their transfer deals had all stalled.

2. Emile Heskey has failed to agree personal terms with Blackpool.

3. MON thinks Heskey is a striker.

 

Just saying, like.

But we all know that he's really a winger ;)

 

Also a "defensive striker".

 

That RTG panic thread is exactly what our forums were like under MON at this time of year

 

I like it how they think you are relegation candidates and see themselves way above you, that's gonna end well.

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brummie

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Sunderland need a striker. Three observations.

 

1. MON said last week their transfer deals had all stalled.

2. Emile Heskey has failed to agree personal terms with Blackpool.

3. MON thinks Heskey is a striker.

 

Just saying, like.

But we all know that he's really a winger ;)

 

Also a "defensive striker".

 

That RTG panic thread is exactly what our forums were like under MON at this time of year

 

I like it how they think you are relegation candidates and see themselves way above you, that's gonna end well.

 

They're deluded in many ways.

 

When we signed Bent, they were up in arms as we were in the relegation area at that point, and they were 8th or something. I've got a mackem mate who was moaning at me, "how come he's left a team fighting for Europe for one at the arse end of the table". I had to point out that that is the kind of thing Sunderland should be worrying themselves with, how things like that happen.

 

I then had to roll out the killer argument, that at that point, Villa had finished in the top six in half of the seasons since the PL came into being, whereas Sunderland hadn't even *been in it* for half of the seasons.

 

Obv, at that point, I sat back, blew imaginary smoke from the end of the imaginary pistols I was holding, and accepted his surrender.

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Apparently a £12m upfront bid has gone in for Fletcher this morning.  :lol:

 

Don't get me wrong, I think he's a good player, but I also think when Wolves bought him from Burnley they paid a premium and his maximum market value.

 

£7m for Cisse, £12m for Fletcher, and the worst thing is I reckon wolves will take it to £15m with addons and they'll pay it because they haven't been looking anywhere else but him.

 

Pretty sure it was more like £10,560,000.

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Dokko

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Sunderland need a striker. Three observations.

 

1. MON said last week their transfer deals had all stalled.

2. Emile Heskey has failed to agree personal terms with Blackpool.

3. MON thinks Heskey is a striker.

 

Just saying, like.

But we all know that he's really a winger ;)

 

Also a "defensive striker".

 

That RTG panic thread is exactly what our forums were like under MON at this time of year

 

I like it how they think you are relegation candidates and see themselves way above you, that's gonna end well.

 

They're deluded in many ways.

 

When we signed Bent, they were up in arms as we were in the relegation area at that point, and they were 8th or something. I've got a mackem mate who was moaning at me, "how come he's left a team fighting for Europe for one at the arse end of the table". I had to point out that that is the kind of thing Sunderland should be worrying themselves with, how things like that happen.

 

I then had to roll out the killer argument, that at that point, Villa had finished in the top six in half of the seasons since the PL came into being, whereas Sunderland hadn't even *been in it* for half of the seasons.

 

Obv, at that point, I sat back, blew imaginary smoke from the end of the imaginary pistols I was holding, and accepted his surrender.

 

:lol:

 

Just looking at rtg there, the threads dominating are 'life without sess' the Fletcher thread and everyone crying in it and the Heskey fails to agree terms with Blackpool which has got everyone shitting themselves.

 

Everything is going to plan it seems.

 

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brummie

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I can honestly say that, although we did well under MON, summer transfer windows were exactly like this for us - utter torture.

 

The problem is O'Neill himself. Doesn't use scouts, doesn't worry about huge wages and transfer fees, leaves it till very late etc etc. He was exactly the same at Celtic too, apparently.

 

This is why I have been banging on about how predictable he is. He gets results, yes, but if you're not happy to put up with the flipside of having him as your manager, you're not going to enjoy it.

 

RTG posters view this as "bitterness" or "jealousy", but it isn't any of those. It is fact

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Sunderland need a striker. Three observations.

 

1. MON said last week their transfer deals had all stalled.

2. Emile Heskey has failed to agree personal terms with Blackpool.

3. MON thinks Heskey is a striker.

 

Just saying, like.

But we all know that he's really a winger ;)

 

Also a "defensive striker".

 

That RTG panic thread is exactly what our forums were like under MON at this time of year

 

I like it how they think you are relegation candidates and see themselves way above you, that's gonna end well.

 

They're deluded in many ways.

 

When we signed Bent, they were up in arms as we were in the relegation area at that point, and they were 8th or something. I've got a mackem mate who was moaning at me, "how come he's left a team fighting for Europe for one at the arse end of the table". I had to point out that that is the kind of thing Sunderland should be worrying themselves with, how things like that happen.

 

I then had to roll out the killer argument, that at that point, Villa had finished in the top six in half of the seasons since the PL came into being, whereas Sunderland hadn't even *been in it* for half of the seasons.

 

Obv, at that point, I sat back, blew imaginary smoke from the end of the imaginary pistols I was holding, and accepted his surrender.

 

:lol:

 

Just looking at rtg there, the threads dominating are 'life without sess' the Fletcher thread and everyone crying in it and the Heskey fails to agree terms with Blackpool which has got everyone shitting themselves.

 

Everything is going to plan it seems.

 

 

:tobey:

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I can honestly say that, although we did well under MON, summer transfer windows were exactly like this for us - utter torture.

 

The problem is O'Neill himself. Doesn't use scouts, doesn't worry about huge wages and transfer fees, leaves it till very late etc etc. He was exactly the same at Celtic too, apparently.

 

This is why I have been banging on about how predictable he is. He gets results, yes, but if you're not happy to put up with the flipside of having him as your manager, you're not going to enjoy it.

 

RTG posters view this as "bitterness" or "jealousy", but it isn't any of those. It is fact

do you think he'll get results under the possibly stricter financial regime ?
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I can honestly say that, although we did well under MON, summer transfer windows were exactly like this for us - utter torture.

 

The problem is O'Neill himself. Doesn't use scouts, doesn't worry about huge wages and transfer fees, leaves it till very late etc etc. He was exactly the same at Celtic too, apparently.

 

This is why I have been banging on about how predictable he is. He gets results, yes, but if you're not happy to put up with the flipside of having him as your manager, you're not going to enjoy it.

 

RTG posters view this as "bitterness" or "jealousy", but it isn't any of those. It is fact

do you think he'll get results under the possibly stricter financial regime ?

 

I know this sounds insane, but I was most impressed with MON in our first season, when we finished 11th. That's because he was forced to make do with what he had, as he came in just before the transfer window shut, and only added Petrov.

 

So, we saw a front three of Agbonlahor and Luke Moore either side of Angel, and it worked. He also had Laursen (injured at that time, mind), Mellberg, Sorensen and Barry available, so it wasn't exactly a squad of duffers, but he was forced to work with what he had.

 

Then, next season, he got a decent amount of money and lifted us to sixth. That is where the problems started.

 

Tactically, he's very limited, he really is. He just doesn't "do" tactics. To lift us beyond sixth, all he knew to do was to throw money at it. Unfortunately, he did so by throwing it at players who weren't good enough to take us beyond sixth. He'd then not play some of them, and just play the same team, week in, week out.

 

That's why we always faded under him towards teh end of the season. That's why we went to Wembley twice and got nothing out of it. That's also why we've had to spend a lot less recently to get the mad wage bill under control.

 

So, in answer to your question, he'll do ok with a limited budget, I think. It's just that as a manager, I think getting us to sixth represents the peak of his abilities (and bear in mind, O'Leary got us to sixth with next to no money to spend).

 

To do the same with Sunderland, given the way the league has changed in the last few years, would be way, way more difficult.

 

It'd take some exceptional transfer business, and some canny tactical nous, and these are the two things he lacks most, and it his deficiency in those areas which meant our glass ceiling was sixth at the time. Sunderland's now, under him, will be 9th or 10th

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brummie

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That'll be on RTG within the hour and the 'bitter' taunts will come out. Surely deep down - deep, deep, deep down - they know this is exactly whats happening.

 

 

That's the thing, mate. That's exactly what is happening. When it happened with us, we had the same hysteria.

 

I remember when we got MON, I was talking to a Celtic fan at work, and he said "you need to get used to the fact that, although he's a good manager and he'll improve you, maybe significantly - he has these faults,and he will never, ever change. If you can put up with them, you'll be fine. If you can't, you'll hate him.

 

So, so correct.

 

If any of the RTG people are reading this - it's nothing to do with bitterness. We had some good times under MON, he is a good manager. He's also not a long ball manager as he often gets called, that's just not true. At certain aspects of the job, he's one of the best.

 

I'm just saying exactly what he was like, and what happened before he joined us, and looking at how things have gone since, he's not changed at all.

 

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They both make good points. Football is always going to be the most popular sport because of how accessible it is to watch and play. I can only see it becoming more popular around the world. If other sports (olympic marginalised sports) were as competitive and gained as much coverage throughout the year, I would no doubt watch them more but they'd not overtake football.

 

In spite of all that, I have more respect for most of the athletes at the olympics than the footballers and it shows how much competing and pushing yourself means to these people. When the money bubble eventually bursts in footballer's wages, football will not only be even more popular than it already is, but will be so much more likeable. I can't wait

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They both make good points. Football is always going to be the most popular sport because of how accessible it is to watch and play. I can only see it becoming more popular around the world. If other sports (olympic marginalised sports) were as competitive and gained as much coverage throughout the year, I would no doubt watch them more but they'd not overtake football.

 

In spite of all that, I have more respect for most of the athletes at the olympics than the footballers and it shows how much competing and pushing yourself means to these people. When the money bubble eventually bursts in footballer's wages, football will not only be even more popular than it already is, but will be so much more likeable. I can't wait

 

Will the cycle not then just continue and as it gets more popular and likeable, the money continues to flow in and gets distributed unfairly again? Or are you expecting a major overhaul with wage caps etc to come into play as soon said bubble bursts?

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I mean worldwide the sport will become more popular, so in countries which don't love it at the moment. In terms of the money bubble bursting, I expect that to happen and think it is happening to some degree because of the fact that most clubs are in debt and the world is in a financial crisis.

 

I don't know about wage caps but I would welcome them or any other financial constraints in football

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