Guest neesy111 Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 Miliband didn't help Di Canio or sunderland at all with his face saving publicity stunt. It'd have nowhere near the amount of attention without that happening. To be fair to Miliband he could kiss what remained of his political career goodbye if he didn't resign. There's no way he could've spoken with any authority as an ex-Labour MP if he sat quietly while the club he was vice chairman of appointed a self-confessed fascist. He had no where else to go. I agree. Just looks like he dropped them right in it for self serving reasons when he could have done it privately and with little fuss. How private does he need to be? He's got to make a statement to clarify his position. He was well within his rights IMO and while I don't like the bloke to suggest he's been self serving is a bit stupid. Surely it would've been a lot more self serving if he remained in his role, fucked his principles and collected his £125k? He needed to clarify his position or questions would had came about immediately as he is a high profile figure especially after the bomb shell he made this week by moving to the USA. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 What has been the official club response to Milliband's resignation btw? I think I've missed it if there has been any forthcoming. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 What amazes me about some of the reactions is how casual some people are about fascism, as if it's a thing of the past that is deserving of mockery at the most, something that is completely harmless in today's society. It isn't, far from it, and the current economic crisis is the perfect breeding ground for movements like fascism to come to the fore again. What the flying f*** were SAFC thinking opening this can of worms, and that's before you even get to his football management credentials, experience with relegation fights and at the highest level and lack of connection to their club? You make it sound like people are defending a party leader ready to enter an election, come on man. Like I said, let's not forget us signing Bowyer or Barton. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 Football is about people, history, politics, everything. Newcastle United reflect the city and the North East. The mackems whole inferiority complex is economic. Newcastle has done far better than S'land has as an area. It's more of a forward thinking cosmopolitan city and it's reflected in the football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 Football is about people, history, politics, everything. Newcastle United reflect the city and the North East. The mackems whole inferiority complex is economic. Newcastle has done far better than S'land has as an area. It's more of a forward thinking cosmopolitan city and it's reflected in the football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Interpolic Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 I don't think us signing Barton or Bowyer is by any means on the same level, but I can't say I was happy about us spending good money on thugs to wear the shirt. Think it's a different issue though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 Football is about people, history, politics, everything. Newcastle United reflect the city and the North East. The mackems whole inferiority complex is economic. Newcastle has done far better than S'land has as an area. It's more of a forward thinking cosmopolitan city and it's reflected in the football. Your avatar man Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
summerof69 Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 What amazes me about some of the reactions is how casual some people are about fascism, as if it's a thing of the past that is deserving of mockery at the most, something that is completely harmless in today's society. It isn't, far from it, and the current economic crisis is the perfect breeding ground for movements like fascism to come to the fore again. What the flying f*** were SAFC thinking opening this can of worms, and that's before you even get to his football management credentials, experience with relegation fights and at the highest level and lack of connection to their club? You make it sound like people are defending a party leader ready to enter an election, come on man. Like I said, let's not forget us signing Bowyer or Barton. Both were atleast sorry for their actions Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 Right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashley17 Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 Probably already been quoted but guess which political figure said this: "Di Canio is an exhibitionist. His salute didn't have any significance. He's a good lad." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 Probably already been quoted but guess which political figure said this: "Di Canio is an exhibitionist. His salute didn't have any significance. He's a good lad." Shaka Hislop? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.S.R. Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/16652620 Not relating to his fascist beliefs, just a bizarre interview. It could be off The Day Today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 Probably already been quoted but guess which political figure said this: "Di Canio is an exhibitionist. His salute didn't have any significance. He's a good lad." Shaka Hislop? Google wasn't your friend there man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 thatsthejoke.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Cajun Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 I don't think us signing Barton or Bowyer is by any means on the same level, but I can't say I was happy about us spending good money on thugs to wear the shirt. Think it's a different issue though. Plus neither were ignored by the media where as some seem to think Di Canio is the first appointment that has ever been questioned like this. Woodgate had to field questions about racism in his first ever press conference ("I'm not racist, I'm black and white" ). It's absolutely no shock that his move to Swindon wasn't picked up all that much but a premiership club appointing him was obviously going to get more attention, here and from the looks of it international press. Fascism is something that isn't tolerated in this country, having an openly fascist manager taking over one of the top 20 teams in the country in one of the most influential leagues? It was always going to get attention. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ItalianMagpie Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/16652620 Not relating to his fascist beliefs, just a bizarre interview. It could be off The Day Today. Dafaq is he talking about? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 I don't think us signing Barton or Bowyer is by any means on the same level, but I can't say I was happy about us spending good money on thugs to wear the shirt. Think it's a different issue though. Plus neither were ignored by the media where as some seem to think Di Canio is the first appointment that has ever been questioned like this. Woodgate had to field questions about racism in his first ever press conference ("I'm not racist, I'm black and white" ). It's absolutely no shock that his move to Swindon wasn't picked up all that much but a premiership club appointing him was obviously going to get more attention, here and from the looks of it international press. Fascism is something that isn't tolerated in this country, having an openly fascist manager taking over one of the top 20 teams in the country in one of the most influential leagues? It was always going to get attention. One thing about Di Canio is that the British press and the public in general held him in great affection when he was a player here. When he went back to Italy and started acting a nutter not so much, and I'd argue that the press thought him a harmless and entertaining sideshow when appointed as manager of a lower league team. And most of the public don't care much about anything below the Premier League. I think we'd have a bit of a fuss about the Fascist stuff no matter which Premier League club he joined, the Miliband stuff has raised the profile of it though. I'd personally be fuming if he was joining our club, but what can you say - when you're in the situation where your club might get relegated then some fans forget principles and what they'd probably point their fingers at other fans for, and go back to backing their club and unfortunately sometimes siding with unsavoury characters. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 just seen the thing about the miners Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 I don't think us signing Barton or Bowyer is by any means on the same level, but I can't say I was happy about us spending good money on thugs to wear the shirt. Think it's a different issue though. Plus neither were ignored by the media where as some seem to think Di Canio is the first appointment that has ever been questioned like this. Woodgate had to field questions about racism in his first ever press conference ("I'm not racist, I'm black and white" ). It's absolutely no shock that his move to Swindon wasn't picked up all that much but a premiership club appointing him was obviously going to get more attention, here and from the looks of it international press. Fascism is something that isn't tolerated in this country, having an openly fascist manager taking over one of the top 20 teams in the country in one of the most influential leagues? It was always going to get attention. One thing about Di Canio is that the British press and the public in general held him in great affection when he was a player here. When he went back to Italy and started acting a nutter not so much, and I'd argue that the press thought him a harmless and entertaining sideshow when appointed as manager of a lower league team. And most of the public don't care much about anything below the Premier League. I think we'd have a bit of a fuss about the Fascist stuff no matter which Premier League club he joined, the Miliband stuff has raised the profile of it though. I'd personally be fuming if he was joining our club, but what can you say - when you're in the situation where your club might get relegated then some fans forget principles and what they'd probably point their fingers at other fans for, and go back to backing their club and unfortunately sometimes siding with unsavoury characters. the thing is I doubt there would be half as much questioning it or bother (at least from the British Press) if it was West Ham who were in this situation and took this leap of faith simply because of what he did for them. Quite frankly I wouldn't be questioning him on his political beliefs myself but on the fact that they've replaced a highly experienced manager and (much as I don't buy into the hype of O'Neill) someone with a good track record and by all accounts was well liked by the sunderland players and whom the crowd had not turned against, in the middle of a relegation fight for someone with 18 months managerial experience at League 1 and 2 level and is a nutjob with a record for falling out with players and getting himself sent off. Stay up or not it will all end in tears Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledGeordie Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 Apart from the whole fascist debate I'd he hangs his players out to dry like he did at Swindon he won't last two seconds Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 I understand some people will be making a big deal out of Di Canio's appointment because they want their 5 minutes in the media, but for others of us this is actually a big deal. Say what you want, but the last thing I want is something to 'cry about' - nor am I a raging lefty. I am going to terminate my season ticket until he leaves, and will return once he leaves I will give the club my money. I understand why for many of you it doesn't matter what his ideology is; and that to you you see football and politics as separate etc. but I just can't. I absolutely believe he has the right to whatever political opinion he wants - but having some political opinions make you unfit for certain jobs. Do you agree with the fact it would be inappropriate for someone who believes in abolishing the age of consent to teach kids? Do you agree with the fact it's right that BNP members can't serve in the police force, as being a national socialist may prevent you from doing your job properly? Personally I believe it's also completely inappropriate that a club which takes a strong anti-racism platform and should be open to all in the community to appoint a fascist as our manager. However it's not even just that he's a fascist - he's chosen to introduce it into his football. He chose to perform nazi salutes - twice - once against Lazio's fiercest rivals with traditionally Jewish support and once against a club with left wing support. That salute was used by those who killed Jews and who killed leftists. Regarding fascism - I think some of you need to research on what it means. The fascism he is talking about re. Mussolini is not somehow a 'light' fascism that's actually about just being nationalistic. It's about the government controlling every aspect of citizens lives - the term totalitarian was invented under fascist Italy. Mussolini himself said their was no such thing as a private sphere. Fundamental to this belief was that certain races, or groups, are better than others. Mussolini killed 10's of thousands in Africa in brutal & oppressive wars that were purely for the conquest of land and Mussolini personally oversaw the movement of thousands of Jews from Italy to Hitler so they could be executed in concentration camps. He took over the country by force and oppressed political dissent. There are many children alive today who have no idea who their parents/ grandparents are and it's because of Mussolini. You can't be an Italian fascist and not be racist in one form or another. You can't have researched Mussolini, chosen to have a tattoo of him on you and not sympathise with some of the genocide he committed- it's simply too much of a defining feature of what he was. Regarding the 'worked with black players' 'they're my friends' all I would say is that many, many racist people associate with people of other races (it baffles me too; but it's true). Simply saying 'I have black mates' doesn't really do it. I would also observe at Swindon he was investigated for racism and while the FA did nothing Swindon felt it necessary to apologise to the player involved. Overall I completely respect those fans who choose to keep going but for me unfortunately it's a very sore point and the reason I'm posting this is because I want to make clear many of us who are upset about this aren't going on the TV or papers and aren't making a fuss for the hell of it we are genuinely very upset about this and feel like there has been a betrayal of some higher principle which is more important than success on the field. Read more: http://www.readytogo.net/smb/showthread.php?t=771017&page=22#ixzz2PFPuWxqc Decency still exists on the SMB. That's a cracking post, has to be the best post ever made on there. Don't agree. People seriously needs to separate football from politics. What is a football club? What is politics? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varadi Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 From the Telegraph: Paolo di Canio is a fascist. Time to boycott Sunderland http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danhodges/100209856/paolo-di-canio-is-a-fascist-time-to-boycott-sunderland/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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