Flip Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 Spending £75 million last Jan on those two was a nightmare like. Hard to begin the rebuilding process when you start with two complete duds. Aye, Luiz went from a success in his first few games, to a horrible defender. I defended Ramires last year when he was pisspoor (and I was right) but Luiz is fucking indefensible. So fucking shit I cringe everytime I see him picked for the national side. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 As people have said, one of the main problems with Chelsea has been the reluctance to blood young talent. They are certainly not, nor have been, an 'evolving' side. OCK's right - they've rested heavily upon the likes of Cole, Terry, Lampard, Essien, Drogba for a long time without any foresight as to how a transition can be made. Shit is hitting the fan in many respects - in so far as even the players brought in by AVB are not particularly doing well. That said, they're still 5th with the same points as Arsenal. Not bad considering really - although I do accept that for most Chelsea fans this isn't good enough given their success in recent years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 Villas-Boas is starting a project that needed to be gradually started 5 years ago - the slow progress of phasing on set of players out and replacing them with a new (younger) group of players. Sadly, Chelsea's constant change of manager always meant that that change was going to be second thought - if thought about at all. The core group of players - Terry, Lampard, Essien, Cole, Drogba - have been there so long now that they've achieved too much power (you could argue rightly so based on all they've won). Seemingly that was one of the reasons they were dropped against Napoli last night, and why there is tension between players and coaches. Villas-Boas has perhaps been a little arrogant/ignorant thinking he'd be able to remodel a team like Chelsea, who have had a core set up up to play methodical football. For the last 10 years their reliance on certain players has become stronger and stronger, compounded by changes of managers who sit back and rely on them again and don't look to change what is a 'successful' set up. Another 2 years goes by another manager, and another reliance on the same players. 2 years more another manager same situation. Suddenly those players who were in their prime have aged and declined and no-one has really noticed. Finally, a NEW manager comes in again, only he has his own ideas and goes about implementing them straight away. Those core players aren't happy at being overlooked and being tried outside of their comfort zone - sitting deep, playing it methodically, leaving all the creativity to 'one guy' (Mata, Deco, Robben, Lampard at one point). You'd think that Chelsea had an amazing squad, but most of their players are very similar, as they've been there so long. Given time and control I believe Villas-Boas will turn it around at Chelsea. It may take a 'poor' season to achieve that in the process, but I think this is as good as season as any to start the process. Premier League is as poor as I can remember it - Man U are rather poor by their standards, Arsenal are weaker, Liverpool we're all aware about. Sack Villas-Boas and who do you replace him? Jose Mourhino? Will he attempt to remould the club or will be happy to use a set of players who already know his football philosophy for another 1-2 years before their legs drop off? This change has been coming for a while, sadly it seems that Villas-Boas will be blamed for it failing/changing a winning formula. Great post. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenige Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 OCK has got it absolutely spot on. Personally I'd give him the time, but they do need a bit of an overhaul and that's easier said than done in football. Especially when other clubs are aware of it and will set crazy asking prices for their players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest je85 Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 I do hope he gets time, must have one of the toughest dressing rooms in the league, it sounds like there is faction after faction, Mourinho saying things like he fancies a return to England doesn't help either. Plus he has nice hair and has said some lovely things about Sir Bobby so cut him some slack. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 Whoever succeeded Ancelotti would've had the same problem - you can't stop ageing. AVB is unlucky in that respect because the ageing group have too much power, making a simple transition almost impossible to do. He'll be a very good manager, but he should never have taken this job after 18 months in management - should've stayed at Porto and waited for some other sucker to try and shift Lampard, Drogba etc. If Abramovich had brains, he'd stick with AVB and trust him to sort this out over the summer - their best player, Mata, is his own signing. But he's going, without doubt. Once the media start their campaigns, it only ends one way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmk Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 I do hope he gets time, must have one of the toughest dressing rooms in the league, it sounds like there is faction after faction, Mourinho saying things like he fancies a return to England doesn't help either. Plus he has nice hair and has said some lovely things about Sir Bobby so cut him some slack. I'm not so sure about the hair, think he needs a new style for next season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 That coat makes him look like a rapist. Football managers need fat ties not thine ones. Needs a makeover. Wenger's sleeping bag isn't helping him either. Both need touchline reboots. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 Arsenals team dies, replaced with kids with potential that's very rarely filled. Chelsea's team dies, not replaced at all and hung on to in to their mid 30's. Manu's team dies, replaced with big money signings throughout, staggered so players can settle and grow in to the team. Liverpool team dies, good, wankers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 As people have said, one of the main problems with Chelsea has been the reluctance to blood young talent. They are certainly not, nor have been, an 'evolving' side. OCK's right - they've rested heavily upon the likes of Cole, Terry, Lampard, Essien, Drogba for a long time without any foresight as to how a transition can be made. Shit is hitting the fan in many respects - in so far as even the players brought in by AVB are not particularly doing well. That said, they're still 5th with the same points as Arsenal. Not bad considering really - although I do accept that for most Chelsea fans this isn't good enough given their success in recent years. They've spent a fortune as well haven't they on their youth development? Which so far has yielded them fuck all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest je85 Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 That coat makes him look like a rapist. Football managers need fat ties not thine ones. Needs a makeover. Wenger's sleeping bag isn't helping him either. Both need touchline reboots. It's quite an effeminate little number he has. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 Arsenals team dies, replaced with kids with potential that's very rarely filled. Chelsea's team dies, not replaced at all and hung on to in to their mid 30's. Manu's team dies, replaced with big money signings throughout, staggered so players can settle and grow in to the team. Liverpool team dies, good, wankers. Nice punchline. It's all true as well and everyone could see it happening. People have been saying Chelsea have had an old squad for the past three years. Everyone has seen and can see how Liverpool's squad is the worst in over twenty years. Man U have begun the process but they need a creative midfielder more than anything else, Arsenal.... I don't even know what's going on there, they have so many players who just don't impact on games. Only four years ago, they were still capable of rinsing teams regularly, nowadays I have little confidence that they'll even dominate the game never mind put three or four away Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 That coat makes him look like a rapist. Football managers need fat ties not thine ones. Needs a makeover. Wenger's sleeping bag isn't helping him either. Both need touchline reboots. It's quite an effeminate little number he has. No wonder the team is getting mixed signals: AVB the effeminate rapist. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 Arsenals team dies, replaced with kids with potential that's very rarely filled. Chelsea's team dies, not replaced at all and hung on to in to their mid 30's. Manu's team dies, replaced with big money signings throughout, staggered so players can settle and grow in to the team. Liverpool team dies, good, wankers. Nice punchline. It's all true as well and everyone could see it happening. People have been saying Chelsea have had an old squad for the past three years. Everyone has seen and can see how Liverpool's squad is the worst in over twenty years. Man U have begun the process but they need a creative midfielder more than anything else, Arsenal.... I don't even know what's going on there, they have so many players who just don't impact on games. Only four years ago, they were still capable of rinsing teams regularly, nowadays I have little confidence that they'll even dominate the game never mind put three or four away Even Torres said it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmk Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 That coat makes him look like a rapist. Football managers need fat ties not thine ones. Needs a makeover. Wenger's sleeping bag isn't helping him either. Both need touchline reboots. http://totalfootballmadness.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/Chris-Hughton.jpg Style and grace. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 That coat makes him look like a rapist. Football managers need fat ties not thine ones. Needs a makeover. Wenger's sleeping bag isn't helping him either. Both need touchline reboots. http://totalfootballmadness.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/Chris-Hughton.jpg Style and grace. Fat tie check Big fuck off collars check Cuddly jumper check Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 Mourinho: Don't wear that tight coat, makes you look effeminate and mixedgay rapist. http://ts1.mm.bing.net/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=1619101160056&id=29e878c8b95af80b3331fe7ca3ee8475 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest je85 Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 http://www.talksport.co.uk/sites/default/files/imagecache/ts_magazine_big_picture/harry%20redkanpp%20coat.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 As people have said, one of the main problems with Chelsea has been the reluctance to blood young talent. They are certainly not, nor have been, an 'evolving' side. OCK's right - they've rested heavily upon the likes of Cole, Terry, Lampard, Essien, Drogba for a long time without any foresight as to how a transition can be made. Shit is hitting the fan in many respects - in so far as even the players brought in by AVB are not particularly doing well. That said, they're still 5th with the same points as Arsenal. Not bad considering really - although I do accept that for most Chelsea fans this isn't good enough given their success in recent years. They've spent a fortune as well haven't they on their youth development? Which so far has yielded them fuck all. Yup. To be honest, I'm struggling to think of any players brought through by Chelsea's youth system that have even gone on to become a regular, decent, player elsewhere. Was Scott Sinclair a Chelsea youth product? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 He needs to stop squatting as well. But seriously tho, Roman has to make a big choice...the old players or AVB. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 He is clearly the wrong appointment in that he commands no respect or influence. They should go get Mourinho back end of season and back him. depends why he was appointed, if it was to win everything immediately then yes...if it was to build for the future then it's fuckin stupid to even talk about it why sign a manager who in his 30's (iirc) with little experience at a club like that if you're not gonna back him long term? if he goes soon they deserve to rot - another of bobby's boys lest we forget Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 The AVB effect: http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01290/john-terry-transex_1290324c.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 He needs to stop squatting as well. But seriously tho, Roman has to make a big choice...the old players or AVB. bingo it's not even a fucking choice...it'd be the equivalent of the manyoo board choosing beckham over fergie (sort of) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 Hi I'm Frank Lampard! http://ts2.mm.bing.net/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=1622291983393&id=1d7636e3af0d9e28f90da43efd77a9f1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 Hi frank!, been leaving snail trails again? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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