Vurnon Anita (now playing for RKC Waalwijk)

[mozy]

Let's just forget we don't play a "front three", so we can pretend Anita doesn't fit in, eh? He's better than Colback and Tiote. The lad saying De Jong will ideally play there...what planet are they on? De Jong is not a central midfielder. De Jong is a number 10 who got played up front in Holland because it's an easier league.

 

So many delusions of grandeur. A front three...HA HA we are the most negative team in the league. We only play on the counter because we're negative in possession...players like Anita let you hold on to the ball and he doesn't hide like Colback the coward.

 

The only real problem people seem to have with Anita is he's not 'big enough' for the prem. Surely it's time we got away from these big cloggers who chop people down like Tiote and played people based on their footballing ability? He done well until he got hooked, for Cisse who did zero. No surpise the midfield got over-ran.

 

For me, it's Anita OR Colback and I'd pick Vurn every time. Vurn and Abeid central midfield pair. Sissoko is too undisciplined to play there and he's off soon anyway. De Jong will take his number 10 role and we'll go back to one up front, with Gouffran and Ameobi on the wings. Proper big lads.

 

I agree with the majority of what you say, but to me, Anita is basically Joe Allen/Leon Britton. Unless we want to adopt a Swansea of old style of playing Barcelona football without the penetration, then he's not useful. Anita is far too safe with his passing and both him and Colback are guilty of cowardice in posession.

 

Colback's style of defending is to press regardless of who presses with him, while Anita sits and holds off. I'd say that sums them both up, Colback more forward thinking but not always to the benefit of the team, Anita's game is ruled by safety and unambition, and not making the most of his superior technique.

 

I would take Joe Allen and Leon Brittan over Tiote and Colback every day of the week. Sorry, but I like the pass and move game. I don't like this punt it up to the lad who can't even hold it up so it bounces back and we have to squabble for it and hit a flukey goal. What you described is pretty much what I think; Anita is more disciplined, Colback just wings it. Both limited but wouldn't you rather the limited player who listens?

 

People need to realise of course I want a player better than Vurn, but at the minute, we're shite and we aren't going to attract central midfielders who do it all (We have one in Abeid, but he was nearly let go to Greece) so for me Vurn is the better long term choice for type of football and discipline.

 

There are other ways of playing besides the two you mention though, and I don't think Colback is exclusive to the hoof it style (whereas Anita is basically exclusive to pass and move). How would I like us to play? Basically like France did in the world cup last year, real 4-3-3, equally capable of going shorter or more direct with quality techincal players to make it happen.

[Guest Rent-A-Quote]

Like when? When he has went missing and the rest of the team had to carry him? Why wasn't he subbed? Where is your seat?

 

He went missing yesterday, like so many other games. it's commendable how much you want to like him, but in all fairness, the lad has shown nothing to stand out and be picked in the first 11.  Just look at Abeid when he came in. He made an instant impact and impressed us all. When Anita comes in, you just don't notice at all, the games just seem to skip by him. I am not one for "cloggers" in either, but the lad just doesn't offer anything.

 

OK then I'll try make it easier for you, as those questions were a bit too direct:

 

Other than yesterday, in which the WHOLE TEAM was poor, when has he went missing?

 

In those "so many other games", why was he not substituted for being a coward?

 

Also, why is he getting games after going missing?

 

If he "doesn't offer anything" why is he in our squad / team? We haven't got one better player kicking about who can offer more than nothing?

 

Where is your seat?

 

 

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He didn't go missing at all yesterday, the whole team was poor. That just shows your agenda. I must be missing all these other players who stand out to be picked in our first 11? It's very very poor.

 

I've rated Abeid for years so no need to preach that he's better. That's not my, or your point on this thread though. I've already said Abeid is my main central midfielder, with Vurn alongside as Colback and Tiote are garbage. Of course I want better players than them all, but we're a joke of a club so we aren't going to attract much better are we?

 

Maybe if we kept the ball more, then we wouldn't have to try get it back so much? Carver subbed Vurn for a striker who done nothing, no wonder we lost control near the end and stoke dominated. Whether you rate him or not, he didn't go missing yesterday

[Guest Rent-A-Quote]

N'Zonzi in midfield, then get Andy Carroll back play him up top. Willo at the back. Jobs a goodun

[Guest reefatoon]

Like when? When he has went missing and the rest of the team had to carry him? Why wasn't he subbed? Where is your seat?

 

He went missing yesterday, like so many other games. it's commendable how much you want to like him, but in all fairness, the lad has shown nothing to stand out and be picked in the first 11.  Just look at Abeid when he came in. He made an instant impact and impressed us all. When Anita comes in, you just don't notice at all, the games just seem to skip by him. I am not one for "cloggers" in either, but the lad just doesn't offer anything.

 

OK then I'll try make it easier for you, as those questions were a bit too direct:

 

Other than yesterday, in which the WHOLE TEAM was poor, when has he went missing?

 

In those "so many other games", why was he not substituted for being a coward?

 

Also, why is he getting games after going missing?

 

If he "doesn't offer anything" why is he in our squad / team? We haven't got one better player kicking about who can offer more than nothing?

 

Where is your seat?

 

 

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He didn't go missing at all yesterday, the whole team was poor. That just shows your agenda. I must be missing all these other players who stand out to be picked in our first 11? It's very very poor.

 

I've rated Abeid for years so no need to preach that he's better. That's not my, or your point on this thread though. I've already said Abeid is my main central midfielder, with Vurn alongside as Colback and Tiote are garbage. Of course I want better players than them all, but we're a joke of a club so we aren't going to attract much better are we?

 

Maybe if we kept the ball more, then we wouldn't have to try get it back so much? Carver subbed Vurn for a striker who done nothing, no wonder we lost control near the end and stoke dominated. Whether you rate him or not, he didn't go missing yesterday

 

No need to try and make it easier, I am more than capable of watching a player and seeing that he is not offering much. How about you name a game where he has stood out from the rest of the players then?  You won't be able to because he doesn't. He has been substituted loads, (why mention coward, I haven't) because games seem to skip him by.  He is not suited for this league at all, and it isn't just because of his size. You need more from a central midfielder than someone that might take the ball off one fullback and give it to another every now and again, so not sure where you are going with that either.  Yes, why is he getting games when he is going missing? Probably because or stand in manager is not very good at what he does, as Abeid should be in ahead of him. Regarding where I sit, I gave my season ticket up as it wasn't worth it anymore, not that it makes a difference, or are you saying you are better suited to an opinion because you are there?.

 

Like I said very commendable how much you want to like Anita, but I would want to see so much more from a central midfielder.

[St1pe]

Let's just forget we don't play a "front three", so we can pretend Anita doesn't fit in, eh? He's better than Colback and Tiote. The lad saying De Jong will ideally play there...what planet are they on? De Jong is not a central midfielder. De Jong is a number 10 who got played up front in Holland because it's an easier league.

 

So many delusions of grandeur. A front three...HA HA we are the most negative team in the league. We only play on the counter because we're negative in possession...players like Anita let you hold on to the ball and he doesn't hide like Colback the coward.

 

The only real problem people seem to have with Anita is he's not 'big enough' for the prem. Surely it's time we got away from these big cloggers who chop people down like Tiote and played people based on their footballing ability? He done well until he got hooked, for Cisse who did zero. No surpise the midfield got over-ran.

 

For me, it's Anita OR Colback and I'd pick Vurn every time. Vurn and Abeid central midfield pair. Sissoko is too undisciplined to play there and he's off soon anyway. De Jong will take his number 10 role and we'll go back to one up front, with Gouffran and Ameobi on the wings. Proper big lads.

 

Couldn't agree any more with this.

[Geordie Ahmed]

Let's just forget we don't play a "front three", so we can pretend Anita doesn't fit in, eh? He's better than Colback and Tiote. The lad saying De Jong will ideally play there...what planet are they on? De Jong is not a central midfielder. De Jong is a number 10 who got played up front in Holland because it's an easier league.

 

So many delusions of grandeur. A front three...HA HA we are the most negative team in the league. We only play on the counter because we're negative in possession...players like Anita let you hold on to the ball and he doesn't hide like Colback the coward.

 

The only real problem people seem to have with Anita is he's not 'big enough' for the prem. Surely it's time we got away from these big cloggers who chop people down like Tiote and played people based on their footballing ability? He done well until he got hooked, for Cisse who did zero. No surpise the midfield got over-ran.

 

For me, it's Anita OR Colback and I'd pick Vurn every time. Vurn and Abeid central midfield pair. Sissoko is too undisciplined to play there and he's off soon anyway. De Jong will take his number 10 role and we'll go back to one up front, with Gouffran and Ameobi on the wings. Proper big lads.

 

[Guest reefatoon]

N'Zonzi in midfield, then get Andy Carroll back play him up top. Willo at the back. Jobs a goodun

 

Not sure where you are going with this. He said N'Zonzi ran rings around our midfield, not that N'Zonzi should be signed. He was trying to make the point that even someone as s*** as N'Zonzi was running rings around our limp midfielders, but you seem to have completely missed it. But hey ho, let's keep Anita in and fly up that league table. Jobs a goodun

[KaKa]

I would actually like to see Abeid play as the holding midfielder with Anita being given a bit more freedom to be more forward thinking i.e. move further up the pitch a bit, and look to play forward passes on the ground.

 

The thing is Anita is being used as an all out DM, and it's seriously curtailing him, as he has clearly been asked to sit deep and play the simple ball to others. Therefore you can kind of understand why he isn't as present or as involved in more positive play going forward.

 

Now on the other hand, can someone explain what Jack Colback is? If Anita is the DM then shouldn't Colback be the one with more freedom to move about, get on the ball and dictate play with more forward passes? But he does none of these things. He's hardly ever seen int hat respect, and it doesn't make sense because he isn't being asked to play as deep as Anita is.

 

Colback is really poor. I mean, I actually thought the guy would be better than this. He does nothing. I now understand why he was played on the left, and at left back a lot of times for Sunderland. He is clueless in midfield.

[Ndegwa]

He goes missing often man. Doesn't show for the ball. Take responsibility.

 

Our team is small and weak. We could do with a lad to hold the ball up a bit up top. And a genuinely powerful defender. I would love if Abeid could be our powerful defensive minded midfielder.

 

Eugh. 

 

I reckon we could do with focusing on looking after the ball. This league is absolutely terrible quality-wise at the moment, and if we could keep possession a bit better, we could actually end up having a pretty good season.

[The College Dropout]

N'Zonzi made both of them look like idiots the whole match. Was everywhere, loads of ball contact and strode forward imperiously at will.

It was infuriating. They made N'Zonzi look like Vieira.

[The College Dropout]

He goes missing often man. Doesn't show for the ball. Take responsibility.

 

Our team is small and weak. We could do with a lad to hold the ball up a bit up top. And a genuinely powerful defender. I would love if Abeid could be our powerful defensive minded midfielder.

 

Eugh. 

 

I reckon we could do with focusing on looking after the ball. This league is absolutely terrible quality-wise at the moment, and if we could keep possession a bit better, we could actually end up having a pretty good season.

I don't think we have the set-up for a possession based approach. We'll just end up passing it mindlessly side to side like we did against Southampton. Our best players work well with space to run into. Our CB's can't play a high defensive line either. Just doesn't suit us.

[The College Dropout]

I would actually like to see Abeid play as the holding midfielder with Anita being given a bit more freedom to be more forward thinking i.e. move further up the pitch a bit, and look to play forward passes on the ground.

 

The thing is Anita is being used as an all out DM, and it's seriously curtailing him, as he has clearly been asked to sit deep and play the simple ball to others. Therefore you can kind of understand why he isn't as present or as involved in more positive play going forward.

 

Now on the other hand, can someone explain what Jack Colback is? If Anita is the DM then shouldn't Colback be the one with more freedom to move about, get on the ball and dictate play with more forward passes? But he does none of these things. He's hardly ever seen int hat respect, and it doesn't make sense because he isn't being asked to play as deep as Anita is.

 

Colback is really poor. I mean, I actually thought the guy would be better than this. He does nothing. I now understand why he was played on the left, and at left back a lot of times for Sunderland. He is clueless in midfield.

 

For ages people said "let Anita play like he did for Ajax". For Ajax he sat in front of the defence and distributed. This is his game. He played most of his games under Pardew more B2B and he was poor. He's a natural DM that's why he's poor a bit further forward. He always looks for a safe pass. He doesn't know what to do except pass it sideways in the final third..

 

 

This is his game. This is what he did for us to sign him. There's nothing more he can give.

[KaKa]

I would actually like to see Abeid play as the holding midfielder with Anita being given a bit more freedom to be more forward thinking i.e. move further up the pitch a bit, and look to play forward passes on the ground.

 

The thing is Anita is being used as an all out DM, and it's seriously curtailing him, as he has clearly been asked to sit deep and play the simple ball to others. Therefore you can kind of understand why he isn't as present or as involved in more positive play going forward.

 

Now on the other hand, can someone explain what Jack Colback is? If Anita is the DM then shouldn't Colback be the one with more freedom to move about, get on the ball and dictate play with more forward passes? But he does none of these things. He's hardly ever seen int hat respect, and it doesn't make sense because he isn't being asked to play as deep as Anita is.

 

Colback is really poor. I mean, I actually thought the guy would be better than this. He does nothing. I now understand why he was played on the left, and at left back a lot of times for Sunderland. He is clueless in midfield.

 

For ages people said "let Anita play like he did for Ajax". For Ajax he sat in front of the defence and distributed. This is his game. He played most of his games under Pardew more B2B and he was poor. He's a natural DM that's why he's poor a bit further forward. He always looks for a safe pass. He doesn't know what to do except pass it sideways in the final third..

 

 

This is his game. This is what he did for us to sign him. There's nothing more he can give.

 

 

He's not box to box, no. that's not what I said he should play.

 

He should be a centre mid that keeps possession and plays forward passes to our more creative players.

 

For Ajax, although he played in front of the back four, he wasn't anchored there as rigidly. He had license to step up and play the ball forward to players who actually moved into space mind you!

 

It's impossible to discuss Anita on here man. He will never do anything in this team, because for one no one moves into space to receive possession because it is clearly never worked on, and on top of that, he is playing so deep it's untrue. We definitely shouldn't keep him, not because he isn't good enough, but because we are ruining his life.

[SEMTEX]

I think I hate Claude Makelele. He ruined everything.

[The College Dropout]

Vurnon Anita vs FC Twente on Youtube. 4 minutes doing exactly what he does here.

[Pata]

He can't play further up. Honestly, I can't remember one ambitious pass that he has completed in his time here. He scored that one nice goal but he can't shoot. He's a DM who likes to hide with one questionable strength (passing sideways) in a team that's least suited to him.

 

Some hilarious stuff in this thread, hope it's year four when little Vurn is finally released from his cage and he can be the driving force of our midfield.

[SEMTEX]

[The College Dropout]

He played for over an hour on Sunday. He attempted 18 passes. 15 successfully. N'Zonzi attempted 57! Whelan 61! Colback 39.

 

In every match I've looked at, he always ranks as one of the lowest in attempted passes. Doesn't show for the ball so often. Rarely looks for space.

 

Colback is guilty of this too. Teams are happy for him to have the ball but Tiote always goes and gets it. He's the only one of the deeper midfielders to do that. It's annoying. If things aren't working for us Tiote will attempt to drive the team forward. The midgets never bother.

[Smal]

He can't play further up. Honestly, I can't remember one ambitious pass that he has completed in his time here. He scored that one nice goal but he can't shoot. He's a DM who likes to hide with one questionable strength (passing sideways) in a team that's least suited to him.

 

Some hilarious stuff in this thread, hope it's year four when little Vurn is finally released from his cage and he can be the driving force of our midfield.

 

But Tiote is proper mint, aye?

[Pata]

He played for over an hour on Sunday. He attempted 18 passes. 15 successfully. N'Zonzi attempted 57! Whelan 61! Colback 39.

 

In every match I've looked at, he always ranks as one of the lowest in attempted passes. Doesn't show for the ball so often. Rarely looks for space.

 

Colback is guilty of this too. Teams are happy for him to have the ball but Tiote always goes and gets it. He's the only one of the deeper midfielders to do that. It's annoying. If things aren't working for us Tiote will attempt to drive the team forward. The midgets never bother.

 

That's the thing. Anita keeps us ticking while his CM partner(s) always have twice the touches. It's weird that someone whose strength is spraying passes from deep has so little of them. The ball flying over his head is a poor explanation as Tiote and fucking Colback still somehow get the touches.

 

Tiote has been garbage this season but as he showed last season, he's still the clear top option with Abeid who just simply has to play more. Colback and Anita just got schooled by N'Zonzi and Whelan (!) at home pitch ffs. 100% certain that Stoke won't have all that possession if the CM's were Tiote and Abeid.

[Pata]

He can't play further up. Honestly, I can't remember one ambitious pass that he has completed in his time here. He scored that one nice goal but he can't shoot. He's a DM who likes to hide with one questionable strength (passing sideways) in a team that's least suited to him.

 

Some hilarious stuff in this thread, hope it's year four when little Vurn is finally released from his cage and he can be the driving force of our midfield.

 

He played a lovely ball in behind for Cabella in the first half on Saturday

 

[Ste]

Whoever is out of the team gets overrated to fuck on here. It was Anita, now it's Abeid. If you're not playing, your stock grows.

[Hanshithispantz]

He played for over an hour on Sunday. He attempted 18 passes. 15 successfully. N'Zonzi attempted 57! Whelan 61! Colback 39.

 

In every match I've looked at, he always ranks as one of the lowest in attempted passes. Doesn't show for the ball so often. Rarely looks for space.

 

Colback is guilty of this too. Teams are happy for him to have the ball but Tiote always goes and gets it. He's the only one of the deeper midfielders to do that. It's annoying. If things aren't working for us Tiote will attempt to drive the team forward. The midgets never bother.

How can he attempt more passes when he hasn't got the ball? That isn't entirely his fault, and he was on tge field for about 30 minutes less than everone else.

[Hanshithispantz]

Whoever is out of the team gets overrated to fuck on here. It was Anita, now it's Abeid. If you're not playing, your stock grows.

I think it's more if you're not given a chance despite showing positive attributes. Nobody wants Obertan in the side because he's shit.

[mrmojorisin75]

am i seeing people saying anita doesn't show for passes here?

 

i've seen it all now, i'm fucking dumbfounded at that like, he's literally miles better than every other player in our squad at making angles for a return pass...the fact he often doesn't get them from his teammates is another issue