AlanSkÃrare Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 What worries me more than anything is that Pardew is pretty much immune to being sacked. Not saying I want him to be sacked, but he won't feel any pressure if this continues. Shit football awarded with shit results whilst having a couple of fucking phenomenal players on our hands. I've not felt this frustration in 16 years supporting this club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest malandro Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 To be honest, this is just about what we've been used to for the past decade or so and what a club in our position should be expecting for the foreseeable future. Last season was a happy fluke, but it makes this season feel that much worse. I think I'd be pretty 'meh' about the whole thing if we finished 10th last year or something. True, which is why other factors in the football supporting experience are important. Like the visual integrity of the stadium, the atmosphere, the style of play, the availability of tickets for away games, the attitude to cup games, which strip we wear. In the absence of success / progress this kind of stuff takes on greater importance. ATM the club is being run entirely in the name of money but without the rewards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 The rewards of finishjng 5th and getting back into europe? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorJ_01 Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 I know that intelligence and a proper grasp of the English language are not necessarily a pre-requisite to be a successful manager, but what the f*** is Pardew on about concerning manoeuvring Obertan's toe? "Obertan has got a toe that we needed to sort out, so there has been a manoeuvre on that which put him out today and probably for Maritimo as well. He might be back for Southampton." Bit more worrying that he sees Obertan as a potential solution for something. We went on an amazing run from the start of last season with Obertan playing right wing and Hatem on the bench. I'm not for a minute suggesting that we drop Hatem but moving him inside and adding Obertan's pace and directness might not be the worst idea. I can't remember a run of minutes where Obertan was good, let alone games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxfree Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 I know that intelligence and a proper grasp of the English language are not necessarily a pre-requisite to be a successful manager, but what the f*** is Pardew on about concerning manoeuvring Obertan's toe? "Obertan has got a toe that we needed to sort out, so there has been a manoeuvre on that which put him out today and probably for Maritimo as well. He might be back for Southampton." Bit more worrying that he sees Obertan as a potential solution for something. We went on an amazing run from the start of last season with Obertan playing right wing and Hatem on the bench. I'm not for a minute suggesting that we drop Hatem but moving him inside and adding Obertan's pace and directness might not be the worst idea. I've got a pretty short memory myself, but why do people keep coming back to the idea of Obertan? He's been under par/shite for the most part, especially in Premier League. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 Desperate times call for desperate measures. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_69 Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 I know that intelligence and a proper grasp of the English language are not necessarily a pre-requisite to be a successful manager, but what the f*** is Pardew on about concerning manoeuvring Obertan's toe? "Obertan has got a toe that we needed to sort out, so there has been a manoeuvre on that which put him out today and probably for Maritimo as well. He might be back for Southampton." Bit more worrying that he sees Obertan as a potential solution for something. We went on an amazing run from the start of last season with Obertan playing right wing and Hatem on the bench. I'm not for a minute suggesting that we drop Hatem but moving him inside and adding Obertan's pace and directness might not be the worst idea. I've got a pretty short memory myself, but why do people keep coming back to the idea of Obertan? He's been under par/s**** for the most part, especially in Premier League. For me it's because he would offer and outlet and provide some well-needed pace and movement to the side, no end product mind, but pace and movement. I think Ben Arfa is wasted out there because he spends half the time tracking back, which means his runs always start from deep. If we moved him inside to just behind a lone striker he'd be more of an attacking threat, but in order to do that we need to stick someone else on the right - Obertan seems like the best option at the moment Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 We definitely need people to stretch the game. We basically have a team of players who all like to cut inside and play through the middle third. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxfree Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 I know that intelligence and a proper grasp of the English language are not necessarily a pre-requisite to be a successful manager, but what the f*** is Pardew on about concerning manoeuvring Obertan's toe? "Obertan has got a toe that we needed to sort out, so there has been a manoeuvre on that which put him out today and probably for Maritimo as well. He might be back for Southampton." Bit more worrying that he sees Obertan as a potential solution for something. We went on an amazing run from the start of last season with Obertan playing right wing and Hatem on the bench. I'm not for a minute suggesting that we drop Hatem but moving him inside and adding Obertan's pace and directness might not be the worst idea. I've got a pretty short memory myself, but why do people keep coming back to the idea of Obertan? He's been under par/s**** for the most part, especially in Premier League. For me it's because he would offer and outlet and provide some well-needed pace and movement to the side, no end product mind, but pace and movement. I think Ben Arfa is wasted out there because he spends half the time tracking back, which means his runs always start from deep. If we moved him inside to just behind a lone striker he'd be more of an attacking threat, but in order to do that we need to stick someone else on the right - Obertan seems like the best option at the moment Sounds fair enough tbf, but when he's on the pitch you just want him off again. It's time and time again, and I just can't be bothered anymore. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 Things are that bad people want to see Obertan, we really have hit the bottom. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_69 Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 I know that intelligence and a proper grasp of the English language are not necessarily a pre-requisite to be a successful manager, but what the f*** is Pardew on about concerning manoeuvring Obertan's toe? "Obertan has got a toe that we needed to sort out, so there has been a manoeuvre on that which put him out today and probably for Maritimo as well. He might be back for Southampton." Bit more worrying that he sees Obertan as a potential solution for something. We went on an amazing run from the start of last season with Obertan playing right wing and Hatem on the bench. I'm not for a minute suggesting that we drop Hatem but moving him inside and adding Obertan's pace and directness might not be the worst idea. I've got a pretty short memory myself, but why do people keep coming back to the idea of Obertan? He's been under par/s**** for the most part, especially in Premier League. For me it's because he would offer and outlet and provide some well-needed pace and movement to the side, no end product mind, but pace and movement. I think Ben Arfa is wasted out there because he spends half the time tracking back, which means his runs always start from deep. If we moved him inside to just behind a lone striker he'd be more of an attacking threat, but in order to do that we need to stick someone else on the right - Obertan seems like the best option at the moment Sounds fair enough tbf, but when he's on the pitch you just want him off again. It's time and time again, and I just can't be bothered anymore. I wouldn't be averse to seeing Marveaux out there instead but he's looked pretty shite so far this season - at least Obertan has looked a threat at times in Europe Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 Obertan is our best winger since he is the only one, sadly speaking. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilson Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 Sometimes i think i wouldnt mind him in for something different, and to be fair he probably deserved a crack after a couple of decent europa showings, but then when he's back on the pitch, it's the same old frustration. Running down blind alleys, not using his pace to get past players but instead trying a few step overs and ultimately losing the ball, and probably the most frustrating for me is when he just seems to hang on to the ball instead of the easy pass and again, losing it. Suppose it sums my whole feeling about NUFC up at the moment, pure frustration. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxfree Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 I know that intelligence and a proper grasp of the English language are not necessarily a pre-requisite to be a successful manager, but what the f*** is Pardew on about concerning manoeuvring Obertan's toe? "Obertan has got a toe that we needed to sort out, so there has been a manoeuvre on that which put him out today and probably for Maritimo as well. He might be back for Southampton." Bit more worrying that he sees Obertan as a potential solution for something. We went on an amazing run from the start of last season with Obertan playing right wing and Hatem on the bench. I'm not for a minute suggesting that we drop Hatem but moving him inside and adding Obertan's pace and directness might not be the worst idea. I've got a pretty short memory myself, but why do people keep coming back to the idea of Obertan? He's been under par/s**** for the most part, especially in Premier League. For me it's because he would offer and outlet and provide some well-needed pace and movement to the side, no end product mind, but pace and movement. I think Ben Arfa is wasted out there because he spends half the time tracking back, which means his runs always start from deep. If we moved him inside to just behind a lone striker he'd be more of an attacking threat, but in order to do that we need to stick someone else on the right - Obertan seems like the best option at the moment Sounds fair enough tbf, but when he's on the pitch you just want him off again. It's time and time again, and I just can't be bothered anymore. I wouldn't be averse to seeing Marveaux out there instead but he's looked pretty s**** so far this season - at least Obertan has looked a threat at times in Europe Marveaux is ten times the player Obertan is. He's not been good so far for us, but I hope we'll see more from him now with all the injuries. Unfortunately he's no right winger though. Obertan has been pretty good in the Europa League, and that's where he should belong. For now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 Which is exactly why we cannot and should not be playing with wingers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 I know that intelligence and a proper grasp of the English language are not necessarily a pre-requisite to be a successful manager, but what the f*** is Pardew on about concerning manoeuvring Obertan's toe? "Obertan has got a toe that we needed to sort out, so there has been a manoeuvre on that which put him out today and probably for Maritimo as well. He might be back for Southampton." Bit more worrying that he sees Obertan as a potential solution for something. We went on an amazing run from the start of last season with Obertan playing right wing and Hatem on the bench. I'm not for a minute suggesting that we drop Hatem but moving him inside and adding Obertan's pace and directness might not be the worst idea. I've got a pretty short memory myself, but why do people keep coming back to the idea of Obertan? He's been under par/s**** for the most part, especially in Premier League. For me it's because he would offer and outlet and provide some well-needed pace and movement to the side, no end product mind, but pace and movement. I think Ben Arfa is wasted out there because he spends half the time tracking back, which means his runs always start from deep. If we moved him inside to just behind a lone striker he'd be more of an attacking threat, but in order to do that we need to stick someone else on the right - Obertan seems like the best option at the moment Sounds fair enough tbf, but when he's on the pitch you just want him off again. It's time and time again, and I just can't be bothered anymore. I wouldn't be averse to seeing Marveaux out there instead but he's looked pretty s**** so far this season - at least Obertan has looked a threat at times in Europe Marveaux is ten times the player Obertan is. He's not been good so far for us, but I hope we'll see more from him now with all the injuries. Unfortunately he's no right winger though. Obertan has been pretty good in the Europa League, and that's where he should belong. For now. Unfortunately, Marveaux is not ten times the player, as every time he has played he has been absolute garbage. You HOPE he will become 10 times the player Obertan is, but at the moment, he has offered even less than Bulb head Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 Well aye because he's been injured and rarely had a game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorJ_01 Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 Disagree. Marveaux looks tidy. Reckon we'll see a good game from him against Maritimo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 Obertan's pace makes him a better tactical option over Marveaux, even though the latter one is a much better footballer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorJ_01 Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 Wtf, why does that keep coming up? He's never been a good option Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 Wtf, why does that keep coming up? He's never been a good option Marveaux is not a good option either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 Wtf, why does that keep coming up? He's never been a good option Marveaux is not a good option either. He did more positive things in the final 10 or so minutes against Swansea than Anita, Tiote or Sammy did over a full game (or nearly, in Sammy's case). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 Which is exactly why we cannot and should not be playing with wingers. Exactly, the only thing we can possibly do is play with 3 forwards, with Ba and HBA wide. That's the only way we can hope to stretch the game and create space with the personnel we have. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
henke Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 Things are that bad people want to see Obertan, we really have hit the bottom. I'd honestly rather start Ranger. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxfree Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 I know that intelligence and a proper grasp of the English language are not necessarily a pre-requisite to be a successful manager, but what the f*** is Pardew on about concerning manoeuvring Obertan's toe? "Obertan has got a toe that we needed to sort out, so there has been a manoeuvre on that which put him out today and probably for Maritimo as well. He might be back for Southampton." Bit more worrying that he sees Obertan as a potential solution for something. We went on an amazing run from the start of last season with Obertan playing right wing and Hatem on the bench. I'm not for a minute suggesting that we drop Hatem but moving him inside and adding Obertan's pace and directness might not be the worst idea. I've got a pretty short memory myself, but why do people keep coming back to the idea of Obertan? He's been under par/s**** for the most part, especially in Premier League. For me it's because he would offer and outlet and provide some well-needed pace and movement to the side, no end product mind, but pace and movement. I think Ben Arfa is wasted out there because he spends half the time tracking back, which means his runs always start from deep. If we moved him inside to just behind a lone striker he'd be more of an attacking threat, but in order to do that we need to stick someone else on the right - Obertan seems like the best option at the moment Sounds fair enough tbf, but when he's on the pitch you just want him off again. It's time and time again, and I just can't be bothered anymore. I wouldn't be averse to seeing Marveaux out there instead but he's looked pretty s**** so far this season - at least Obertan has looked a threat at times in Europe Marveaux is ten times the player Obertan is. He's not been good so far for us, but I hope we'll see more from him now with all the injuries. Unfortunately he's no right winger though. Obertan has been pretty good in the Europa League, and that's where he should belong. For now. Unfortunately, Marveaux is not ten times the player, as every time he has played he has been absolute garbage. You HOPE he will become 10 times the player Obertan is, but at the moment, he has offered even less than Bulb head No, he is. He always has been. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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