Guest reefatoon Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 I know that intelligence and a proper grasp of the English language are not necessarily a pre-requisite to be a successful manager, but what the f*** is Pardew on about concerning manoeuvring Obertan's toe? "Obertan has got a toe that we needed to sort out, so there has been a manoeuvre on that which put him out today and probably for Maritimo as well. He might be back for Southampton." Bit more worrying that he sees Obertan as a potential solution for something. We went on an amazing run from the start of last season with Obertan playing right wing and Hatem on the bench. I'm not for a minute suggesting that we drop Hatem but moving him inside and adding Obertan's pace and directness might not be the worst idea. I've got a pretty short memory myself, but why do people keep coming back to the idea of Obertan? He's been under par/s**** for the most part, especially in Premier League. For me it's because he would offer and outlet and provide some well-needed pace and movement to the side, no end product mind, but pace and movement. I think Ben Arfa is wasted out there because he spends half the time tracking back, which means his runs always start from deep. If we moved him inside to just behind a lone striker he'd be more of an attacking threat, but in order to do that we need to stick someone else on the right - Obertan seems like the best option at the moment Sounds fair enough tbf, but when he's on the pitch you just want him off again. It's time and time again, and I just can't be bothered anymore. I wouldn't be averse to seeing Marveaux out there instead but he's looked pretty s**** so far this season - at least Obertan has looked a threat at times in Europe Marveaux is ten times the player Obertan is. He's not been good so far for us, but I hope we'll see more from him now with all the injuries. Unfortunately he's no right winger though. Obertan has been pretty good in the Europa League, and that's where he should belong. For now. Unfortunately, Marveaux is not ten times the player, as every time he has played he has been absolute garbage. You HOPE he will become 10 times the player Obertan is, but at the moment, he has offered even less than Bulb head No, he is. He always has been. Without the luxury of watching some small highlights off you tube, years ago for his former club. I have not seen anything of Marveaux first hand that shows me he can offer anything at all, injuries or not, the times he has been on the pitch for us, he has been f***ing crap. At least Obertan can say he has a couple of goals and some assists to his s*** form. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 Again, Obertan has obtained those goals and assists due to having an extended period of time on the pitch, something Marveaux hasn't been able to do due to injury. Marv technically assisted our goal on Saturday too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 Marveaux could have at least chipped in with the odd goal and assist when he was out injured - in other words when he was sitting on his big, fat arse - the lazy, useless French cunt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 Again, Obertan has obtained those goals and assists due to having an extended period of time on the pitch, something Marveaux hasn't been able to do due to injury. Marv technically assisted our goal on Saturday too. Haha, by missing a sitter from 3 yards?? Hardly call that an assist like, he wants shot with shit for missing that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ameritoon Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 NUFC Stats @NUFC_Stats Just 4 PL sides produce fewer short passes per game on average currently than NUFC - 314. The do produce most long though (77) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 NUFC Stats @NUFC_Stats Just 4 PL sides produce fewer short passes per game on average currently than NUFC - 314. The do produce most long though (77) Depressing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 My god, are our memories really so short we're thinking of Obertan as a decent option. He's shown nothing in the PL, he's been a useless liability everytime he's been on the pitch. Just because you haven't seen him for a while doesn't mean he's got any better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 NUFC Stats @NUFC_Stats Just 4 PL sides produce fewer short passes per game on average currently than NUFC - 314. The do produce most long though (77) wow Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 My god, are our memories really so short we're thinking of Obertan as a decent option. He's shown nothing in the PL, he's been a useless liability everytime he's been on the pitch. Just because you haven't seen him for a while doesn't mean he's got any better. no, I think he is a pile of shit, I just didn't agree with taxfree saying Marveaux is 10 times better, because he has been just as shit, maybe even more when he has played. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ujpest doza Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 My god, are our memories really so short we're thinking of Obertan as a decent option. He's shown nothing in the PL, he's been a useless liability everytime he's been on the pitch. Just because you haven't seen him for a while doesn't mean he's got any better. no, I think he is a pile of shit, I just didn't agree with taxfree saying Marveaux is 10 times better, because he has been just as shit, maybe even more when he has played. Marveuax looked okay on saturday as he was fresh and the other players on the pitch had played 80 minutes. When he's started he's been gash, too slow of foot and thought. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxfree Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 My god, are our memories really so short we're thinking of Obertan as a decent option. He's shown nothing in the PL, he's been a useless liability everytime he's been on the pitch. Just because you haven't seen him for a while doesn't mean he's got any better. no, I think he is a pile of s***, I just didn't agree with taxfree saying Marveaux is 10 times better, because he has been just as s***, maybe even more when he has played. I think you'll find few who has watched them both who'll say anything else. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 NUFC Stats @NUFC_Stats Just 4 PL sides produce fewer short passes per game on average currently than NUFC - 314. The do produce most long though (77) We produce the most long passes but have no one capable of bringing them down and holding-up play. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JS Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 Going off topic a bit, Marveaux is a talented player who's been unlucky / hit with bad injuries. When was the last time he actually played a full 90 minutes in his career? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilson Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 My god, are our memories really so short we're thinking of Obertan as a decent option. He's shown nothing in the PL, he's been a useless liability everytime he's been on the pitch. Just because you haven't seen him for a while doesn't mean he's got any better. no, I think he is a pile of s***, I just didn't agree with taxfree saying Marveaux is 10 times better, because he has been just as s***, maybe even more when he has played. Marveuax looked okay on saturday as he was fresh and the other players on the pitch had played 80 minutes. When he's started he's been gash, too slow of foot and thought. Would he be like that given a run of games though? No player will ever look sharp if they're only given a few minutes every 3/4 games, and one of those was out of position v everton. The glimpses i've seen of him he's showed a bit of vision and decent passing at least, which straight away is more than obertan offers imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 My god, are our memories really so short we're thinking of Obertan as a decent option. He's shown nothing in the PL, he's been a useless liability everytime he's been on the pitch. Just because you haven't seen him for a while doesn't mean he's got any better. no, I think he is a pile of s***, I just didn't agree with taxfree saying Marveaux is 10 times better, because he has been just as s***, maybe even more when he has played. I think you'll find few who has watched them both who'll say anything else. Marveaux has really not shown much of anything for NUFC. He's been injured yes, but the chances he's had have been woeful. Obertan, especially in his last few appearances, has looked useful. I do think Marveaux is a better footballer overall, but he's in no way shown it this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxfree Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 My god, are our memories really so short we're thinking of Obertan as a decent option. He's shown nothing in the PL, he's been a useless liability everytime he's been on the pitch. Just because you haven't seen him for a while doesn't mean he's got any better. no, I think he is a pile of s***, I just didn't agree with taxfree saying Marveaux is 10 times better, because he has been just as s***, maybe even more when he has played. I think you'll find few who has watched them both who'll say anything else. Marveaux has really not shown much of anything for NUFC. He's been injured yes, but the chances he's had have been woeful. Obertan, especially in his last few appearances, has looked useful. I do think Marveaux is a better footballer overall, but he's in no way shown it this season. I'm talking their whole career. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 My god, are our memories really so short we're thinking of Obertan as a decent option. He's shown nothing in the PL, he's been a useless liability everytime he's been on the pitch. Just because you haven't seen him for a while doesn't mean he's got any better. no, I think he is a pile of s***, I just didn't agree with taxfree saying Marveaux is 10 times better, because he has been just as s***, maybe even more when he has played. I think you'll find few who has watched them both who'll say anything else. Marveaux has really not shown much of anything for NUFC. He's been injured yes, but the chances he's had have been woeful. Obertan, especially in his last few appearances, has looked useful. I do think Marveaux is a better footballer overall, but he's in no way shown it this season. I'm talking their whole career. Well that's not all that relevant, as neither has had a pretty prolific career to this point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest malandro Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 Both not good enough and both under contract until 2016. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxfree Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 My god, are our memories really so short we're thinking of Obertan as a decent option. He's shown nothing in the PL, he's been a useless liability everytime he's been on the pitch. Just because you haven't seen him for a while doesn't mean he's got any better. no, I think he is a pile of s***, I just didn't agree with taxfree saying Marveaux is 10 times better, because he has been just as s***, maybe even more when he has played. I think you'll find few who has watched them both who'll say anything else. Marveaux has really not shown much of anything for NUFC. He's been injured yes, but the chances he's had have been woeful. Obertan, especially in his last few appearances, has looked useful. I do think Marveaux is a better footballer overall, but he's in no way shown it this season. I'm talking their whole career. Well that's not all that relevant, as neither has had a pretty prolific career to this point. Of course it is. Marveaux have shown he can deliver the goods in a big league. Whether he can do the same in Premier League remains to be seen. He hasn't looked the part yet, but given a period of consistent football I'm sure we'll see improvement. We have seen enough of Obertan to come to the conclusion he's garbage. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 People keep saying woeful, honestly, how many 'chances' has he had? Played well against Forest away in the league cup. MOTM I think. Was our best player when he got a half vs Everton away last season. Looked good vs Everton at home before he got crocked. Then missed November - May through injury.... Played well against Brugge away. Average/decent against Scunny in the league cup. Then some instantly forgettable cameos, the horrendous performance vs Everton this season (where he was seemingly asked to play the Jonas, defensive winger role I might add) and a few poor/average performances in Europe and suddenly he's woeful? I've seen more promise from him in the rare pitch time he's had, than I've seen from Obertan week after week. Yet Obertan still gets chances to keep playing shit and fucking up? I wonder if roles were reversed, would we be saying the same? Bit of a hypothetical I know, but I don't get how people have got a set in stone opinion on Marv. When really, we've barely seen him and he's recovering from serious injuries and trying to adapt to a new team and league. Not sure any of this matters mind. Seems like Pards doesn't rate him and I'm not sure he'll be here much longer. Never been given a fair crack of the whip IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilson Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Spot on. Doesn't make sense how people have come to the conclusion he's shite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 I agree with the post in spirit but being average/decent against Scunny in the cup is pretty counterproductive to your point, like. Fair few exaggerations there too fwiw. He had a smashing game at Forest by all accounts but hasn't really done owt else of significance. Far too early to write him off, though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 I agree with the post in spirit but being average/decent against Scunny in the cup is pretty counterproductive to your point, like. Fair few exaggerations there too fwiw. He had a smashing game at Forest by all accounts but hasn't really done owt else of significance. Far too early to write him off, though. Yeah, I suppose on his competitive debut, after all that time out and playing in a terrible side (we were honking that game). He really should have been top drawer. 120 minutes as well. He was tidy enough I thought and the signs were promising. If there has been some exagerations in my post. Then the last 3 pages are littered with them as well. Woeful and terrible FFS IN comparison to whom? All of our world class superstars like Sammy, Ferguson and Obertan? NO. The forum that only deals in extremes. There is no inbetween Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Pardew expressing shock at DiMatteo's dismissal, and claiming it's unfair. He sounds a bit nervous. Wonder why these managers continually expect to be given time, when it isn't the nature of the job anymore. So many of them aren't even worthy of the extended amount of time they all want. They'd only keep flopping anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Pardew expressing shock at DiMatteo's dismissal, and claiming it's unfair. He sounds a bit nervous. Wonder why these managers continually expect to be given time, when it isn't the nature of the job anymore. So many of them aren't even worthy of the extended amount of time they all want. They'd only keep flopping anyway. Exactly what I thought when I heard him say that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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