Darth Crooks Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 Yeah I don't think much of what we did in that second half had ever been requested by Pardew. There were a few hoofs, most notably by Taylor and Cisse when he dropped back, where you'd have thought slowing it down was on, but for the most part, as ever, the hoofing happened when players found themselves under pressure without a safe option. It's that ability to take the sting out and reorganise under pressure we haven't had so far, and the number one requirement for that is to have the confidence to play close to your own goal. As soon as you can work it to a player in space, they have to drop off but you might have to play three or four passes under pressure to find him. On paper, our back 6 now ought to be as good at that as anyone so it'll be interesting to see if there's an improvement. If not - and do make sure you're sitting down - I'll be raising a serious eyebrow in the direction of the manager. I suspect there will be though. It boggles the mind that anyne can hold that belief. He's the team coach. If he doesnt buy the players. What else does he do? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 I just mean that he almost certainly didn't say, "Panic like fuck and smash it up the pitch to nobody every chance you get"... I would love to hear him answer questions as to what exactly he did say mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 His in-game management is often poor. This has been partly related to our poor bench and partly to his clunky solutions. I expect to improve a bit now we have better alternatives. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 His in-game management is often poor. This has been partly related to our poor bench and partly to his clunky solutions. I expect to improve a bit now we have better alternatives. The statistic about us not coming back to win is the biggest tell tale sign about how bad his in game decisions are. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Swift Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 Yup. The sample size is too large for it to be random variation. He's not good at in-game management, which means the team he starts with is even more important than normal. When you realise that and then see Jonas' name on the team sheet, it really does depress you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 Yup. The sample size is too large for it to be random variation. He's not good at in-game management, which means the team he starts with is even more important than normal. When you realise that and then see Jonas' name on the team sheet, it really does depress you. It doesn't depress me, like. Though I think I differ from many on here in thinking no game is lost before it's started. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 Yup. The sample size is too large for it to be random variation. He's not good at in-game management, which means the team he starts with is even more important than normal. When you realise that and then see Jonas' name on the team sheet, it really does depress you. It doesn't depress me, like. Though I think I differ from many on here in thinking no game is lost before it's started. Very few think a game is lost before it's started. After half time team talks, subs and tactical tinkering however....... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 I always think we've got a chance of winning before the game, that's just my nature. However I have started to write games off when we go behind. With good reason. That's a bit depressing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 Yup. The sample size is too large for it to be random variation. He's not good at in-game management, which means the team he starts with is even more important than normal. When you realise that and then see Jonas' name on the team sheet, it really does depress you. It doesn't depress me, like. Though I think I differ from many on here in thinking no game is lost before it's started. Very few think a game is lost before it's started. After half time team talks, subs and tactical tinkering however....... Aye, righto. Have yourself a look at some of the pre match threads, especially after the lineup is announced. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 Yup. The sample size is too large for it to be random variation. He's not good at in-game management, which means the team he starts with is even more important than normal. When you realise that and then see Jonas' name on the team sheet, it really does depress you. It doesn't depress me, like. Though I think I differ from many on here in thinking no game is lost before it's started. Very few think a game is lost before it's started. After half time team talks, subs and tactical tinkering however....... Aye, righto. Have yourself a look at some of the pre match threads, especially after the lineup is announced. Tbf, those thinking we wouldn't get a result must have been right about 75% of the time this season. And the line up is a fairly good indicator (although not perfect) of how we're going to play. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Swift Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 Yup. The sample size is too large for it to be random variation. He's not good at in-game management, which means the team he starts with is even more important than normal. When you realise that and then see Jonas' name on the team sheet, it really does depress you. It doesn't depress me, like. Though I think I differ from many on here in thinking no game is lost before it's started. It depresses me because it's a sign of the football that we'll play. We always have a chance of winning games but I'd like to see us play good football once in a while, too. You know, like a complete 90 minutes once in a while. Even once a season will do at this rate, but that ain't happening with Jonas as a left winger. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzza Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 Having watched the game again, I'm less annoyed with him. I was frustrated with him straight after half time, but watching it back, he was doing well up until he took Perch off and went 4-4-2. That switch was daft, and while he quickly rectified it for a bit, he then went all out stupid with Shola as a centre back etc. He needs a better gameplan when we're under pressure. They had good physical players, so having height made sense, but we weren't set up to threaten them at all which could have been a massive help in pinning them back, more important than simply having some big lads there to help. In his defence, I think the new recruits were caught out in that second half and consequently tired very easily, and while we have strengthened, there still isn't much in the way of attacking options off the bench. Obertan would have been useful but he was strangely absent. Sensible post. I would add to that the reason for keeping Cisse out wide is that 1) He has height and can prove to be an outlet and 2) he works his socks off allways... Can't fualt him for that, if we had Ryan Taylor for example I don't think we would have seen Cisse pushed wide... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzza Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 I just mean that he almost certainly didn't say, "Panic like f*** and smash it up the pitch to nobody every chance you get"... I would love to hear him answer questions as to what exactly he did say mind. My sentiments exactly. P.S. Your longer post a page back was on the nail. Confidence/Injuries and yes, to an extent the manager has to share the blame, but FFS folks it can't always come down to a witch hunt... er yes it can on here Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzza Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 P.P.S. Forgot to include the fatboys lack of investment this summer past! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 Yup. The sample size is too large for it to be random variation. He's not good at in-game management, which means the team he starts with is even more important than normal. When you realise that and then see Jonas' name on the team sheet, it really does depress you. It doesn't depress me, like. Though I think I differ from many on here in thinking no game is lost before it's started. It depresses me because it's a sign of the football that we'll play. We always have a chance of winning games but I'd like to see us play good football once in a while, too. You know, like a complete 90 minutes once in a while. Even once a season will do at this rate, but that ain't happening with Jonas as a left winger. We played excellent football on Tuesday, with Jonas and Perch in the side. Fair enough it was only the first half, but our confidence in playing that way will have increased after the result. I'd expect to see more of it on the back of that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 These posts are from 12 months ago. We've now got the upgrades in the first team, let's see how he gets on. Robson had belief in his own ability though; being high up in the Premier League didn't faze him in the slightest. I'm not convinced this applies to Pardew. It's as though he's so nervous about mucking up what we've acheived so far that he's trying everything possible to avoid it and it's at risk of backfiring. Our season is on a knife-edge at the moment IMO. I agree, which is why I've accused him of bottling it a few times this season, Liverpool was the worst. Like I said elsewhere it's only gonna take one or two upgrades to the first team for Pardew to look like the weak link every single week unless he changes his mindset. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maze Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 Best signing of the day would be seeing this guy walk... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 Best signing of the day would be seeing this guy walk... Better than Oovavu though? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 I always think we've got a chance of winning before the game, that's just my nature. However I have started to write games off when we go behind. With good reason. That's a bit depressing. RE: points from losing positions, by my reckoning: 2010/11 - 2 points 2011/12 - 4 points 2012/13 - 3 points Total of 9 points gained in all Pardew's time here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 I always think we've got a chance of winning before the game, that's just my nature. However I have started to write games off when we go behind. With good reason. That's a bit depressing. RE: points from losing positions, by my reckoning: 2010/11 - 2 points 2011/12 - 4 points 2012/13 - 3 points Total of 9 points gained in all Pardew's time here. That really is a pathetic stat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 I always think we've got a chance of winning before the game, that's just my nature. However I have started to write games off when we go behind. With good reason. That's a bit depressing. RE: points from losing positions, by my reckoning: 2010/11 - 2 points 2011/12 - 4 points 2012/13 - 3 points Total of 9 points gained in all Pardew's time here. That really is a pathetic stat. Looks awful, how does it compare to other managers and teams though? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 madras will know. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 I always think we've got a chance of winning before the game, that's just my nature. However I have started to write games off when we go behind. With good reason. That's a bit depressing. RE: points from losing positions, by my reckoning: 2010/11 - 2 points 2011/12 - 4 points 2012/13 - 3 points Total of 9 points gained in all Pardew's time here. That really is a pathetic stat. Looks awful, how does it compare to other managers and teams though? Even then it doesn't really say much if it isn't related to how many times a team goes behind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 I always think we've got a chance of winning before the game, that's just my nature. However I have started to write games off when we go behind. With good reason. That's a bit depressing. RE: points from losing positions, by my reckoning: 2010/11 - 2 points 2011/12 - 4 points 2012/13 - 3 points Total of 9 points gained in all Pardew's time here. That really is a pathetic stat. Looks awful, how does it compare to other managers and teams though? I doubt it's favourable when Reading have got four in the last two games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 Updated: 2010/11 - 2 points gained from losing positions in 9 games (possible 27 points) 2011/12 - 4 points gained from losing positions in 15 games (possible 45 points) 2012/13 - 3 points gained from losing positions in 15 games (possible 45 points) When we've gone behind under Pardew, we've taken 9 points from a possible 117. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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