Alan Pardew

[Guest Klizsch]

Refreshing read. Not a big fan myself but nice to see some positive comments to counterbalance my own miserable stance on well, everything.

 

[arnonel]

There is no such thing as a perfect manager. Every single one has his faults. If someone else i brought in to replace Pardew there is no guarantee he will succeed. Then we go through the clown circus and instability etc

Im happy to support Pardew through all his faults. Not perfect, but right man for the club at this time.

 

 

[Lush Vlad]

funny, as we were arguing about it and i was saying he's overly negative pardew subbed cabaye for perch when it was 3-2   "i can't explain that" was the response

 

Straight down the tunnel and was supposedly ill and feeling dizzy.  I can explain that 

[Benwell Lad]

There is no such thing as a perfect manager. Every single one has his faults. If someone else i brought in to replace Pardew there is no guarantee he will succeed. Then we go through the clown circus and instability etc

Im happy to support Pardew through all his faults. Not perfect, but right man for the club at this time.

 

 

 

The whole ethos of Newcastle United has changed in the last few years with regard to business plan and management appointments.

Under the present regime the plan is for long term appointments, managerial stability and most likely groomed promotion from within when change is needed. The days of whimsical appointments and buckling to external pressures (fans, media etc) have gone. In some ways it's a bit like the way Liverpool used to operate.

Those who advocate getting rid of Pardew may as well forget it and save their energy, he's very much part of the present ownership's plans and won't be leaving for quite some time.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

There is no such thing as a perfect manager. Every single one has his faults. If someone else i brought in to replace Pardew there is no guarantee he will succeed. Then we go through the clown circus and instability etc

Im happy to support Pardew through all his faults. Not perfect, but right man for the club at this time.

 

 

 

The whole ethos of Newcastle United has changed in the last few years with regard to business plan and management appointments.

Under the present regime the plan is for long term appointments, managerial stability and most likely groomed promotion from within when change is needed. The days of whimsical appointments and buckling to external pressures (fans, media etc) have gone. In some ways it's a bit like the way Liverpool used to operate.

Those who advocate getting rid of Pardew may as well forget it and save their energy, he's very much part of the present ownership's plans and won't be leaving for quite some time.

 

Agree with you both and have been saying this for ages. Personally I wouldn't sack Pardew now, and even if I would there's no way it will happen for the immediate future under this regime.

[Nobody]

one thing i'd love to know about pardew

 

sunday being a prime example where we f*** a team for 30+ minutes through good football and pull a lead back...they then come out, sit back and allow the opposition to roll over them and equalise...is this specific manager instructions or is it the players themselves who lack confidence?  mag i work with is insistent it must be the players themselves but i just don't buy it...even if he's not openly instructing them to do it surely his default position to be overly cautious has rubbed off on them over the last couple of years?

 

funny, as we were arguing about it and i was saying he's overly negative pardew subbed cabaye for perch when it was 3-2   "i can't explain that" was the response

 

Pardew, just after he arrived here, said (and this is 100% genuine) that we, the fans, would have to get used to the team protecting a lead, rather than trying to go on for more goals.  This, as a philosophy, goes right against the grain for most NUFC fans I would have thought - it does for me.

 

I have not wanted him from day one. I have never felt any different. However, I hope he goes on to win cup after cup etc in his time here and ram my negative feelings down my throat.

 

There is a massive difference between protecting a lead and doing what Pardew does most of the time.

 

Most teams who take the lead protect it with an intention of picking the other team off and get more goals. We don't ever seem to have the slightest intention of doing that. Towards the end of games, Metalist being the latest example, Pardew rather puts out a third defensive block up front, often consisting of Shola. The idea is to win the battles around the box and hoof it up to him at the first attempt, rather than play it out to someone who can actually hurt the oncoming team.

 

In my opinion that's not protecting a lead, but rather inviting an equaliser. If you constantly give the ball back to them it's asking them to have another go, rather than kill the game.

 

 

It's by far my main gripe with Pardew. It's almost got to a point where us taking the lead before half time can be a bad thing, as you just know that we'll come out and try and "defend" it. Twice in recent weeks we have conceded an equalising goal in the opening minutes of the second half, it's not acceptable for me that.

Later on in the game, when the losing team is starting to become desperate and starts throwing more people forward, Obertan is the one that should come on, not bloody Shola. Shola is useless at winning and holding the ball up in those situations anyway, it would be much better to try and use Obertan's pace to try and hurt the opposition.

 

[Guest icemanblue]

Twice in recent weeks, when we went on to win the game?

[Nobody]

Villa obviously didn't equalise

Point still stands, and surely you can't agree with the way we sit back and invite pressure once we go ahead? It's frustrating as fuck because we have been showing that we can be a decent side when we're losing/drawing, why stop that when we're winning?

[Guest icemanblue]

I don't think we intentionally sit back and invite pressure the instant we go ahead, as part of the manager's game plan, though. We've had a couple of sluggish starts to the second half, which have resulted in conceding goals. That needs to be addressed, no doubt.

[The College Dropout]

I don't think we intentionally sit back and invite pressure the instant we go ahead, as part of the manager's game plan, though. We've had a couple of sluggish starts to the second half, which have resulted in conceding goals. That needs to be addressed, no doubt.

 

We are largely a stand-off and retain shape team when not in possession. Which results in looking sluggish at re-starts and KO. We should come out all guns blazing, high pressing for 5-10 minutes then back off intio our natural shape.

[Dave]

There is no such thing as a perfect manager. Every single one has his faults. If someone else i brought in to replace Pardew there is no guarantee he will succeed. Then we go through the clown circus and instability etc

Im happy to support Pardew through all his faults. Not perfect, but right man for the club at this time.

 

Agree with your general point, but it shouldn't mean that people can't express frustration at those faults. There are some obvious exceptions of course but mainly I think it's pretty healthy debate.

[Guest palnese]

My problem with Pardew is that he does not learn from his mistakes.

 

I do not trust his tactics, nor his approach to the game.

[Guest icemanblue]

My problem with Pardew is that he does not learn from his mistakes.

 

I do not trust his tactics, nor his approach to the game.

 

That'll be why we're persisting with the 4-4-2 'hoofball', yeah?

 

Why am I doing this, man.

[Unbelievable]

My problem with Pardew is that he does not learn from his mistakes.

 

I do not trust his tactics, nor his approach to the game.

 

Posts like this always make me snigger. People seem to think that managing a massive Premiership club is like a walk in the park. Just play 433, lump all the flair players on, set mentality from control to overload when behind or not winning, but whatever you do, never go back. Simples. FM has a lot to answer for.

[Jack Flash]

My problem with Pardew is that he does not learn from his mistakes.

 

I do not trust his tactics, nor his approach to the game.

 

Posts like this always make me snigger. People seem to think that managing a massive Premiership club is like a walk in the park. Just play 433, lump all the flair players on, set mentality from control to overload when behind or not winning, but whatever you do, never go back. Simples. FM has a lot to answer for.

 

Definitely agree with this but on the other hand football is nowhere near as complicated as some try to make out. Southampton would have spent all week (maybe even 2 weeks) watching our videos and making intricate plans to take us down then we score a wonder goal, a penalty and get an own goal.

[Hanshithispantz]

We would have scored against Southampton regardless imo, we were by far the better side outside of about 5 minutes in the first half and about 10-15 in the second. Our pressure paid off.

 

Anyway I don't know about him learning from his mistakes, I think he realises what he's doing wrong, or what the team are doing wrong, as he has quoted some of the problems before in interviews. He just takes far longer than most other top managers to adjust to changes. We saw it last year with our awkward transition into 4-3-3 and we've seen it this year when we went something like 11 winless games playing the same dire football. Most managers don't have the luxury of bringing in a Sissoko or a Cisse to fire them up the league so saying "look where we are now when we actually have good players" doesn't really work imo, I mean look at Moyes the poor cunt.

 

He's clearly a fantastic man-manager, so I'm just telling myself that if it wasn't for him, and if we did have someone like Laudrop in charge, our French contingent would be stabbing each other in the training ground, winging on requesting transfers and shit. There would be full scale French riots.

[Chizzletooth]

My problem with Pardew is that he does not learn from his mistakes.

 

I do not trust his tactics, nor his approach to the game.

 

Posts like this always make me snigger. People seem to think that managing a massive Premiership club is like a walk in the park. Just play 433, lump all the flair players on, set mentality from control to overload when behind or not winning, but whatever you do, never go back. Simples. FM has a lot to answer for.

 

Nailed it.

[Guest palnese]

When was the last time we controlled a match and won convincingly? Stoke at home last year. We couldn't even keep a ten men Wigan side quiet. Yeah, we won 3-0, but the scoreline didn't reflect the game at all.

 

Why do we always have to fight for our lives to defend a lead, even though we're playing a weaker side?

 

It certainly can't be an easy job, but some of the mistakes he's made this season are baffling. Playing Cisse out wide and starting Shola in the middle, for fuck's sake. Not dropping Jonas, even though he's been worse than dogshite this season. It's criminal.

 

He's made too many mistakes this season, and I just don't trust him enough to not do the same mistakes all over. He talks the talk, but rarely walks the walk.

 

 

 

 

 

[Mole_Toonfan]

When was the last time we controlled a match and won convincingly? Stoke at home last year. We couldn't even keep a ten men Wigan side quiet. Yeah, we won 3-0, but the scoreline didn't reflect the game at all.

 

Why do we always have to fight for our lives to defend a lead, even though we're playing a weaker side?

 

It certainly can't be an easy job, but some of the mistakes he's made this season are baffling. Playing Cisse out wide and starting Shola in the middle, for f***'s sake. Not dropping Jonas, even though he's been worse than dogshite this season. It's criminal.

 

He's made too many mistakes this season, and I just don't trust him enough to not do the same mistakes all over. He talks the talk, but rarely walks the walk.

 

Except that we did and the score line did reflect the game they was lucky it wasn't more.

[Guest palnese]

When was the last time we controlled a match and won convincingly? Stoke at home last year. We couldn't even keep a ten men Wigan side quiet. Yeah, we won 3-0, but the scoreline didn't reflect the game at all.

 

Why do we always have to fight for our lives to defend a lead, even though we're playing a weaker side?

 

It certainly can't be an easy job, but some of the mistakes he's made this season are baffling. Playing Cisse out wide and starting Shola in the middle, for f***'s sake. Not dropping Jonas, even though he's been worse than dogshite this season. It's criminal.

 

He's made too many mistakes this season, and I just don't trust him enough to not do the same mistakes all over. He talks the talk, but rarely walks the walk.

 

Except that we did and the score line did reflect the game they was lucky it wasn't more.

 

Well, I never felt safe until Bigi scored the third.. That might just be me mind.

[Mole_Toonfan]

Fair enough, i do agree with the overall premise of your post mind we do need to control games more.

[Unbelievable]

In another thread I saw AVB mentioned as a much better manager, one that could presumably get the best out of Ben Arfa. Yet when I look at Spurs, I see a side not too dissimilar to us last season: they don't "control" games from start to finish, as you seem to imply we need to do more off, and are often reliant on individual moments of brilliance to get them the 3 points.

 

Reading some of these comments makes me wonder whether these expectations are grounded in reality. Newcastle play in the Premiership, one of the best football leagues in the world where on its day every team is capable of beating every other team, and things are often decided by the slimmest of margins, i.e. a referee decision or an inspired moment. Hardly any team in the history of the Premiership has controlled games to the point where the opposition never had a chance. What makes you think this Newcastle United side, as promising as it looks on paper, are any different?

[Mole_Toonfan]

Difference between us and Spurs is though among quite a lot of other things they usually dominate possession and chances against the lesser teams.

 

We don't which is something i'd like to see improved long term, now i'm no Brendan Rodgers but when i see that we average 49% possession per game i think with the players we have we could do a lot better.

[Guest palnese]

In another thread I saw AVB mentioned as a much better manager, one that could presumably get the best out of Ben Arfa. Yet when I look at Spurs, I see a side not too dissimilar to us last season: they don't "control" games from start to finish, as you seem to imply we need to do more off, and are often reliant on individual moments of brilliance to get them the 3 points.

 

Reading some of these comments makes me wonder whether these expectations are grounded in reality. Newcastle play in the Premiership, one of the best football leagues in the world where on its day every team is capable of beating every other team, and things are often decided by the slimmest of margins, i.e. a referee decision or an inspired moment. Hardly any team in the history of the Premiership has controlled games to the point where the opposition never had a chance. What makes you think this Newcastle United side, as promising as it looks on paper, are any different?

 

I see your point, and I might come across as deluded to some. I just think with the quality we have we should be able to finish teams off more often than not, and not invite them into the game after taking the lead.

 

It's so frustrating to watch, and it's hard not to blame the manager for this, because it's always like that. We score, then defend. I just don't see why Pardew can't see that this has backfired way too often, yet we keep on doing it.

 

 

[Unbelievable]

Difference between us and Spurs is though among quite a lot of other things they usually dominate possession and chances against the lesser teams.

 

We don't which is something i'd like to see improved long term, now i'm no Brendan Rodgers but when i see that we average 49% possession per game i think with the players we have we could do a lot better.

 

We have some excellent counter attacking players now at our disposal, with the addition of Goufran and Sissoko predominantly. I think you'll have to wait for a long time to see us set out to dominate possession, as I don't think that suits our current players all that much. I expect Pardew to mould these players into a solid, hard working team that can be lethal on the break and win matches through a moment of magic coming from almost anywhere, just like the best teams in the country do. And that would do me just fine tbh.