Mole_Toonfan Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 Its not even the top teams tbh its watching teams like Southampton play ( i know we beat them bla bla bla) and realising they play much better stuff than us. Its f*cking depressing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 People want to talk defensive football, attacking football. How about some football where we turn up and actually look like something that resembles a football team for a start. This x infinity. If only Reading this thread, my opinion is swaying - I'm like 45 minutes from straight up turning on him for good Not even just waiting for the season to end. Do you know what i actually like him as a bloke, i don't mind what he says either as i think it's over anaylised and slightly unfiar on him at times (wow i defended him like ). My dislike is the poor football, and the set penises, my god..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 Bimpy I'm with you, and have no problem with the man himself. I quite like his smugness and confidence (when he had it last season) but the results on the pitch are damning and we have far too much better going on from a recruitment and playing staff side to have his poor football, tactics, etc dragging us down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 It's all been a mixed s*** bag for us this season no matter which way you look at it. Pardew is to blame only for the management issues. He couldn't have legislated for the injuries, the lack of squad strength and Ba's departure. He has had a miserable season on account of his shocking team selection and apparent inability to finish teams off and/or win at home when you'd expect us to. Add to that the defeatist mentality when we play away and you have a potentially disastrous outcome. Fate has conspired against us from all angles, and surely we have to recognize that it's been several factors that have contributed to our current league position, and not just the manager alone. Having said that, Pardew has shown nothing in the way of being the right man for the job going forward. My sentiments really I think I have been put into the Pardew can do know wrong pen but I have acknowledged his failings many times. That being said the hashstagblamepards gang are hysterically hysterical and I often point this out which is probably why I've put in that category Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 Bimpy I'm with you, and have no problem with the man himself. I quite like his smugness and confidence (when he had it last season) but the results on the pitch are damning and we have far too much better going on from a recruitment and playing staff side to have his poor football, tactics, etc dragging us down. Aye, i would like him to do well as i love the club, and the club doing well is first and foremost. I just can't see us doing well long term with him at the helm. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 Couldn't agree more. This chopping and changing of managers in the past has probably been the reason why I've wanted this one to work out for us b/c I was genuinely thinking we'd have something here with AP after last season. But looking at themanupstairs & Cajun's comments above, they've summed this whole thing up pretty perfectly. As it pains me to say this b/c I really really wanted him to be a success here b/c it obviously would mean we'd be spending less time talking about him in here and be talking more about positive topics regarding our club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 Couldn't agree more. This chopping and changing of managers in the past has probably been the reason why I've wanted this one to work out for us b/c I was genuinely thinking we'd have something here with AP after last season. But looking at themanupstairs & Cajun's comments above, they've summed this whole thing up pretty perfectly. As it pains me to say this b/c I really really wanted him to be a success here b/c it obviously would mean we'd be spending less time talking about him in here and be talking more about positive topics regarding our club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 My problem is I never get the feeling in every game we've went full out to attack the opposition especially at home when we should be beating most teams outside the top 6/7. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLK Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 Does anyone want Pardew to stay on another season? If there is anyone that want him to stay, why? I'll give him the start of next season and review the performance by Christmas time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 ^What he said. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 I think we should have a list drawn up and be actively trying to speak with a few managers for the start of the season, if a top replacement is willing to come then give him the boot. It's morally pretty poor but it's highly likely that he got the job the same way. If we start next season with a new manager I would be far more enthusiastic tbh, not that I don't think Pardew can do a job if he's backed properly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 I'm confident with Pardew as a man manager but not at all as a tactician, I wouldn't want to lose some of the players he clearly has on side. What we need is a jobshare, someone to do all the thinking that Pardew can't Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 The main line of argument for keeping Pardew has become 'sacking managers hasn't worked for us in the past'. When that's all you've got left you know you're talking about a manager who's just not doing his job well enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 I'm confident with Pardew as a man manager but not at all as a tactician, I wouldn't want to lose some of the players he clearly has on side. What we need is a jobshare, someone to do all the thinking that Pardew can't Don't buy that personally, he is a good man manager. But if we get a manager in the mould of someone say like Pochettino at Southampton, then players buy into ideas i doubt they will pack up and leave just because we sacked Pardew for poor results. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 I think we should have a list drawn up and be actively trying to speak with a few managers for the start of the season, if a top replacement is willing to come then give him the boot. It's morally pretty poor but it's highly likely that he got the job the same way. If we start next season with a new manager I would be far more enthusiastic tbh, not that I don't think Pardew can do a job if he's backed properly. Literally no chance that will happen IMO. The club let him down massively in the summer and he's had it as a legitimate excuse all season, no matter how poorly you believe he's coped with it. The more I think about it, the more I think Llambias' comments about spending £31m this January is effectively the club handing Pardew the rope to hang himself with. The club need to back him again in the transfer market this summer. If they do and things don't improve then they'll perhaps start thinking about value for money in a difference context. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 Bottom line is that I can't wait to draw a line under this season, hopefully with our Premier League status intact and thinking optimistically we may have progressed further in the Europa or at least not shown ourselves up against Benfica. I don't think there's much chance of next season being anywhere near as bad as this season, whatever happens. I'd imagine if Pardew stays it will just be bang-average, with poor performances and mid-table results. An opportunity lost in other words, but I don't think we'll be in serious relagation trouble 2 years running. If that's what people are happy with then fair enough, because I'd be fairly surprised to see us attacking the top 6 again with this guy in charge - it seems like his luck's ran out and what he did last season was built on sand, in terms of footballing ethos to see you through whatever rub of the green you might be experiencing. The style of football has a big bearing on things, it would be far easier to sympathise with Pardew if he wasn't responsible for making your eyes bleed once or twice a week. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 Bottom line is that I can't wait to draw a line under this season, hopefully with our Premier League status intact and thinking optimistically we may have progressed further in the Europa or at least not shown ourselves up against Benfica. I don't think there's much chance of next season being anywhere near as bad as this season, whatever happens. I'd imagine if Pardew stays it will just be bang-average, with poor performances and mid-table results. An opportunity lost in other words, but I don't think we'll be in serious relagation trouble 2 years running. If that's what people are happy with then fair enough, because I'd be fairly surprised to see us attacking the top 6 again with this guy in charge - it seems like his luck's ran out and what he did last season was built on sand, in terms of footballing ethos to see you through whatever rub of the green you might be experiencing. The style of football has a big bearing on things, it would be far easier to sympathise with Pardew if he wasn't responsible for making your eyes bleed once or twice a week. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 Bottom line is that I can't wait to draw a line under this season, hopefully with our Premier League status intact and thinking optimistically we may have progressed further in the Europa or at least not shown ourselves up against Benfica. I don't think there's much chance of next season being anywhere near as bad as this season, whatever happens. I'd imagine if Pardew stays it will just be bang-average, with poor performances and mid-table results. An opportunity lost in other words, but I don't think we'll be in serious relagation trouble 2 years running. If that's what people are happy with then fair enough, because I'd be fairly surprised to see us attacking the top 6 again with this guy in charge - it seems like his luck's ran out and what he did last season was built on sand, in terms of footballing ethos to see you through whatever rub of the green you might be experiencing. The style of football has a big bearing on things, it would be far easier to sympathise with Pardew if he wasn't responsible for making your eyes bleed once or twice a week. This is the biggest problem for me. He's been here 2 and a half years and our attacking play is still incredibly disjointed and it's not good enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 Bottom line is that I can't wait to draw a line under this season, hopefully with our Premier League status intact and thinking optimistically we may have progressed further in the Europa or at least not shown ourselves up against Benfica. I don't think there's much chance of next season being anywhere near as bad as this season, whatever happens. I'd imagine if Pardew stays it will just be bang-average, with poor performances and mid-table results. An opportunity lost in other words, but I don't think we'll be in serious relagation trouble 2 years running. If that's what people are happy with then fair enough, because I'd be fairly surprised to see us attacking the top 6 again with this guy in charge - it seems like his luck's ran out and what he did last season was built on sand, in terms of footballing ethos to see you through whatever rub of the green you might be experiencing. The style of football has a big bearing on things, it would be far easier to sympathise with Pardew if he wasn't responsible for making your eyes bleed once or twice a week. That is a top post. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 I think we should have a list drawn up and be actively trying to speak with a few managers for the start of the season, if a top replacement is willing to come then give him the boot. It's morally pretty poor but it's highly likely that he got the job the same way. If we start next season with a new manager I would be far more enthusiastic tbh, not that I don't think Pardew can do a job if he's backed properly. Literally no chance that will happen IMO. The club let him down massively in the summer and he's had it as a legitimate excuse all season, no matter how poorly you believe he's coped with it. The more I think about it, the more I think Llambias' comments about spending £31m this January is effectively the club handing Pardew the rope to hang himself with. The club need to back him again in the transfer market this summer. If they do and things don't improve then they'll perhaps start thinking about value for money in a difference context. They both seem really unhinged so I do think anything can happen, but it does seem like that is the plan. I think he'll do well enough with decent backing too which may or may not be best for the club in the long term, making it a bit of a catch22. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 The style of football has a big bearing on things, it would be far easier to sympathise with Pardew if he wasn't responsible for making your eyes bleed once or twice a week. This is the thing which annoys me more than anything else. The results have been as shit this season as they were good last season, but barring a number of excellent matches that you could count on one hand the actual performances have normally been very similar. That is, scrappy, often overly defensive football and regularly relying on individual brilliance. He's been here well over two years now and still there's little discernible pattern to our play, or idea of the direction we're going in. I know it's a cliché that we like to take the piss out of, but you look at Liverpool and you can already see what they're trying to do. Doesn't always work, but they stick with it. Pardew was fucked over in the summer but by the same token he's had largely the same squad since he came here and yet any style he's trying to implement isn't really emerging. Be nice to see something happen on this front next season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 Bottom line is that I can't wait to draw a line under this season, hopefully with our Premier League status intact and thinking optimistically we may have progressed further in the Europa or at least not shown ourselves up against Benfica. I don't think there's much chance of next season being anywhere near as bad as this season, whatever happens. I'd imagine if Pardew stays it will just be bang-average, with poor performances and mid-table results. An opportunity lost in other words, but I don't think we'll be in serious relagation trouble 2 years running. If that's what people are happy with then fair enough, because I'd be fairly surprised to see us attacking the top 6 again with this guy in charge - it seems like his luck's ran out and what he did last season was built on sand, in terms of footballing ethos to see you through whatever rub of the green you might be experiencing. The style of football has a big bearing on things, it would be far easier to sympathise with Pardew if he wasn't responsible for making your eyes bleed once or twice a week. Aye, basically this Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormy Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 Bottom line is that I can't wait to draw a line under this season, hopefully with our Premier League status intact and thinking optimistically we may have progressed further in the Europa or at least not shown ourselves up against Benfica. I don't think there's much chance of next season being anywhere near as bad as this season, whatever happens. I'd imagine if Pardew stays it will just be bang-average, with poor performances and mid-table results. An opportunity lost in other words, but I don't think we'll be in serious relagation trouble 2 years running. If that's what people are happy with then fair enough, because I'd be fairly surprised to see us attacking the top 6 again with this guy in charge - it seems like his luck's ran out and what he did last season was built on sand, in terms of footballing ethos to see you through whatever rub of the green you might be experiencing. The style of football has a big bearing on things, it would be far easier to sympathise with Pardew if he wasn't responsible for making your eyes bleed once or twice a week. This is the biggest problem for me. He's been here 2 and a half years and our attacking play is still incredibly disjointed and it's not good enough. It's not even a case of 'still'. It appears to have actively regressed in the time he's been here. That's what I fear the most, just how disjointed can he possibly make us look? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 Good post Dave. Let's not forget that aside from a few notable exceptions the football was the same last season. We will not progress under Pardew, not while he relies on keeping it tight and nicking it, because you'll always, always be undone by injuries, bad luck and more importantly the other fucking team. At some point the manager needs to make the team into one that can be more than the sum of its parts, triumph over adversity etc etc. I could take that job, make all the players my mates and win games when the other team let us. Anyone could. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 I couldn't care less about the style of play at the moment if i'm honest. I just want to see a team capable of winning away from home and quite frankly winning full stop, style of play is nice and all but some consistent positive results would be much nicer. I didn't give a shit about style of play last season because we were not losing nearly every bloody week. I want Pardew to improve the style of play as much as the next person but until i see a team capable of winning some games consistently its definitely at the back of my mind for now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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