Alan Pardew

[Ronaldo]

I think what worries me most about that article is that, if the theory is indeed true and thats genuinely what our staff think is the solution to our set piece problem, we are in dire straights.  After however many games without a goal from a corner, the best they can come up with is "we need big men to cause havoc" absolutely stone age. Horrendous

 

I think Evra has scored atleast twice this season from headers direct from corners. One of those against us I have to laugh or i'd cry because our manager and coaching staff are a joke.

 

I'm getting tired of seeing Evra used as an example. He's a f***ing excellent footballer, a brilliant header of the ball and on the end of world class deliveries.

 

 

why on earth are you getting tired of it? It's a perfectly f***ing valid example. We is an excellent footballer, "brilliant header of the ball", not more so than anyone else I've watched. What do you want people to do, pick out a s*** clogger footballer who's scored a header? Go through any other team you'll find one.

 

Eh?

 

How on earth does Patrice Evra scoring headers relate to us in any way? It just doesn't.

 

Clear typo. Was meant to read Evra. Also it relates to the point that scoring from headers is not directly correlated to height. The example is used as we have been told that we need "big men". Evra happens to be a good example as he is not a  "big man" thus illustrating the point that we don't need big men and relating directly back to Nufc.

 

How hard is it to grasp? Honestly?

 

We need better deliveries from better players and players willing and able to attack the ball from set pieces, agree?

 

The above has little to nothing to do with Pardew. We need better, not bigger, players. I've not once advocated signing players just for the sake of height alone.

[Ronaldo]

Souness is a destroyer of clubs, man. He took a team that'd finished 4th, 3rd and 5th and left us 18 months later (after spending well over £50m) in 16th place with an unrecognisable Newcastle United. Pardew, Kinnear, Shearer or anyone will never come close to that level of incompetence.

 

And give Pardew enough rope and he'll do exactly the same...

 

Not a chance, man.

[alexf]

It was nothing to do with you it was about the article suggesting our staff have a theory we need more "big" players and "jumpers" in addition to Taylor and Sissoko which is just bullshit

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Souness is a destroyer of clubs, man. He took a team that'd finished 4th, 3rd and 5th and left us 18 months later (after spending well over £50m) in 16th place with an unrecognisable Newcastle United. Pardew, Kinnear, Shearer or anyone will never come close to that level of incompetence.

 

And give Pardew enough rope and he'll do exactly the same...

 

Not a million years. He might fail here, but not like that.

[Taylor Swift]

Though i have to add that the more I hear his list of excuses, the more I'm turned off by the idea of him staying on. I just don't think he's handling all this pressure well and that's why he's contradicting himself week to week. It's not a good sign but somewhat excusable because many things have adversely impacted our points total. He's not dumb, and that's why I'm willing to give it one more chance. He's not as smart as he thinks he is so he should stop using big words in sentences that don't make sense, and in general he should just not talk as much, but I don't think he's dumb. Maybe he's a better talker than a doer but the way he approaches the game, with stats etc., is something that all the big teams do. You read about Guardiola, Mourinho etc., and you see that they are meticulous in preparition and extremely demanding. Pardew's obviously not them but he's not Kinnear as well who's an old school guy. What I'm basically trying to say is that I'm willing to give Pardew a chance because he has shown that he's open to new ideas and he's not stupid. I would say that he's actually very thin skinned which is why you see him talking about every little problem we have and being so willing to accommodate player's wishes - something I don't think better managers would do - and in general rambling when asked to explain things, and I take that as a sign that he's not good under pressure, but I still don't think he's stupid.

[TaylorJ_01]

Sissoko is a jumper? Always thought he's very average in the air. He's really just a massive, small player.

[Pilko]

The modern Premier League side definitely needs some height in it but it shouldn't be the first consideration when signing a player.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Though i have to add that the more I hear his list of excuses, the more I'm turned off by the idea of him staying on. I just don't think he's handling all this pressure well and that's why he's contradicting himself week to week. It's not a good sign but somewhat excusable because many things have adversely impacted our points total. He's not dumb, and that's why I'm willing to give it one more chance. He's not as smart as he thinks he is so he should stop using big words in sentences that don't make sense, and in general he should just not talk as much, but I don't think he's dumb. Maybe he's a better talker than a doer but the way he approaches the game, with stats etc., is something that all the big teams do. You read about Guardiola, Mourinho etc., and you see that they are meticulous in preparition and extremely demanding. Pardew's obviously not them but he's not Kinnear as well who's an old school guy. What I'm basically trying to say is that I'm willing to give Pardew a chance because he has shown that he's open to new ideas and he's not stupid. I would say that he's actually very thin skinned which is why you see him talking about every little problem we have and being so willing to accommodate player's wishes - something I don't think better managers would do - and in general rambling when asked to explain things, and I take that as a sign that he's not good under pressure, but I still don't think he's stupid.

 

Yep, the thing that makes him likeable and slick when things are going well (answering at length and chatting on) is the thing that gets him into trouble when things are going badly.

[Jack Flash]

http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufcforum/index.php/topic,46782.msg1069745.html#msg1069745

 

This did make me laugh 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufcforum/index.php/topic,46782.msg1069745.html#msg1069745

 

This did make me laugh 

 

Why?

 

And also, are you trawling my posts on the off chance?

[Ronaldo]

Some quality pertinent research there, like.

[maze]

The worst thing about that article (apart from being shit) is the scary thought of Pardew actually using those words as a excuse in interview.

 

"Well, you know, we lack big men. Our two jumpers are being marked out of the game, you know. So yeah.."

[Jack Flash]

http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufcforum/index.php/topic,46782.msg1069745.html#msg1069745

 

This did make me laugh 

 

Why?

 

And also, are you trawling my posts on the off chance?

 

You could swap Allardyce for Pardew and it'd be present day.

 

And no, I was looking for polls etc on Allardyce's sacking and that stuck out xx

[TRon]

Pardew's a terrible tactician. Souness was a terrible tactician, man manager, everything.

 

I don't buy the idea that Pardew is some kind of great man manager. For me he has winged that aspect of managing during his time here.

 

He has managed our players appallingly all season, especially some of the younger ones, and in regards to Europe too.

 

I don't get what this could be based on. A lot of your criticisms of Pardew are valid, but you seem to have just decided he's a 'fraud' or whatever and therefore anything positive to his tenure must either be lucky or just for show.

 

Seems bizarre... I have seen people dislike a manager (and I detested Souness and Allardyce and maybe Dalglish) but this kind of irrational bile-filled hatred is pretty unique.

 

I think what HTT is saying is that Pardew likes to present himself as a savvy, modern tactician. He looks suave, speaks well and scribbles intelligently in his notebook. The only problem is his team play shit football and look completely clueless out on the pitch. It's all very well giving good soundbites and cutting an impressive figure, but the nuts and bolts of actual football coaching and drill work appears to have been left out. In other words, the Emperor has no clothes.

[Dokko]

Though i have to add that the more I hear his list of excuses, the more I'm turned off by the idea of him staying on. I just don't think he's handling all this pressure well and that's why he's contradicting himself week to week. It's not a good sign but somewhat excusable because many things have adversely impacted our points total. He's not dumb, and that's why I'm willing to give it one more chance. He's not as smart as he thinks he is so he should stop using big words in sentences that don't make sense, and in general he should just not talk as much, but I don't think he's dumb. Maybe he's a better talker than a doer but the way he approaches the game, with stats etc., is something that all the big teams do. You read about Guardiola, Mourinho etc., and you see that they are meticulous in preparition and extremely demanding. Pardew's obviously not them but he's not Kinnear as well who's an old school guy. What I'm basically trying to say is that I'm willing to give Pardew a chance because he has shown that he's open to new ideas and he's not stupid. I would say that he's actually very thin skinned which is why you see him talking about every little problem we have and being so willing to accommodate player's wishes - something I don't think better managers would do - and in general rambling when asked to explain things, and I take that as a sign that he's not good under pressure, but I still don't think he's stupid.

 

In a roundabout way you've basically called him a bullshitter who is out of his depth.

 

 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufcforum/index.php/topic,46782.msg1069745.html#msg1069745

 

This did make me laugh 

 

Why?

 

And also, are you trawling my posts on the off chance?

 

You could swap Allardyce for Pardew and it'd be present day.

 

And no, I was looking for polls etc on Allardyce's sacking and that stuck out xx

 

Arguably, all that would show is that I had different views about Allardyce and Pardew, which I don't deny. Also, there were a load of people saying Allardyce should be given more time.

 

Irrelevant and a waste of your time basically.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Pardew's a terrible tactician. Souness was a terrible tactician, man manager, everything.

 

I don't buy the idea that Pardew is some kind of great man manager. For me he has winged that aspect of managing during his time here.

 

He has managed our players appallingly all season, especially some of the younger ones, and in regards to Europe too.

 

I don't get what this could be based on. A lot of your criticisms of Pardew are valid, but you seem to have just decided he's a 'fraud' or whatever and therefore anything positive to his tenure must either be lucky or just for show.

 

Seems bizarre... I have seen people dislike a manager (and I detested Souness and Allardyce and maybe Dalglish) but this kind of irrational bile-filled hatred is pretty unique.

 

I think what HTT is saying is that Pardew likes to present himself as a savvy, modern tactician. He looks suave, speaks well and scribbles intelligently in his notebook. The only problem is his team play shit football and look completely clueless out on the pitch. It's all very well giving good soundbites and cutting an impressive figure, but the nuts and bolts of actual football coaching and drill work appears to have been left out. In other words, the Emperor has no clothes.

 

I see what you and he are saying of course, but just because he's not succeeding at the moment it doesn't mean he's not doing anything.

 

What I mean is that if you believe Pardew isn't completely shite (which at the moment I do) then it's possible that he is actually working hard to turn things around. Obviously it isn't working right now, but still.

 

 

[Taylor Swift]

I think he's also weak in handling of players. Players like him and we're not hearing reports of bust ups even though we've been shit all season so this is something that he deserves credit for. I'm also scared that if he goes, Ben Arfa will go too because his relationship with Pardew seems to be really good. But anyway, i think he's weak in handling players. He's probably promised that Shola will get chances so now he has to throw him on to give him games. You can read through the lines in what Shola has said this season and he's probably asked Pardew for a chance at one point or another, and because Pardew is weak, he acquiesced and now can't go back on his word. He's probably tried to make Shola feel important and has to commit to his words by giving him games. You can't keep praising someone without letting them play lest you're willing to anger or disappoint them. I think it's the same re:Jonas. After Jonas scored against Chelsea, he mentioned that Jonas knew that he hadnt been playing well so I think they've probably had some conversations and Pardew, being the type of manager that he is, has probably said to Jonas that he'd stick by him etc., and has continued to start him all the time. This fits into the type of manager that I think he is, judging by his words and actions. He's not someone who is strong who commands the respect of all the players. He wants to be liked, that's why he's always joking around and that's why he can't shut up in press conferences - he wants journalists and fans to like him. That's all right when things are going well because most people will lap up whatever he says if we're winning games but this season we have been completely shit yet he's been unable to turn off this 'I want to be liked' feeling which is why so many of the things he says makes no sense and yet he keeps on talking and talking.

 

I still think there is a decent manager in there but we clearly now know his limitations. He's a confidence manager. When the team is going well, he won't get in the way but if the team is stumbling, he's also not going to be able to turn it around quickly. He's also not strong in his handling of players so if we have shit but likeable players in the squad then he's going to annoy the shit out of us.

 

Apologies for the amateur psychology, I'm just calling it like I see it: a guy who dearly wants to be liked, self aware, not stupid but not totally capable of being the manager that we need him to be. But maybe a summer off to reflect on all his mistakes this season will leave him a better position to deal with problems should similar ones arise in the future.

[Wullie]

Anyone who says they're open to the idea of him staying can have no complaints when players like Cabaye leave,  when we get another kicking in the derby and when the "I told you so's"  are raining down on them like.

 

Why the fuck would anyone want to watch another year of dreary negativity? Two has been more than enough.

[Jack Flash]

http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufcforum/index.php/topic,46782.msg1069745.html#msg1069745

 

This did make me laugh 

 

Why?

 

And also, are you trawling my posts on the off chance?

 

You could swap Allardyce for Pardew and it'd be present day.

 

And no, I was looking for polls etc on Allardyce's sacking and that stuck out xx

 

Arguably, all that would show is that I had different views about Allardyce and Pardew, which I don't deny. Also, there were a load of people saying Allardyce should be given more time.

 

Irrelevant and a waste of your time basically.

 

http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/webdr06/2013/4/17/12/anigif_enhanced-buzz-26822-1366217218-11.gif

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Anyone who says they're open to the idea of him staying can have no complaints when players like Cabaye leave,  when we get another kicking in the derby and when the "I told you so's"  are raining down on them like.

 

Why the fuck would anyone want to watch another year of dreary negativity? Two has been more than enough.

 

Nobody wants any of that, obviously. Some people just think he should be given another chance.

 

And last season might have not been perfect, but dreary is an absolutely insane description of it.

[Guest Howaythetoon]

Ian W, what does working hard have to do with being a fraud? I don't doubt he works hard btw but working hard means jack shit if you are shit at your job.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Ian W, what does working hard have to do with being a fraud? I don't doubt he works hard btw but working hard means jack shit if you are shit at your job.

 

What I meant was, he might be doing all the things he says/pretends he's doing. At least to some extent. Admittedly, as I've said, they're not working at the moment, but that doesn't mean he's a fraud when he tries to appear competent.

[Wullie]

Anyone who says they're open to the idea of him staying can have no complaints when players like Cabaye leave,  when we get another kicking in the derby and when the "I told you so's"  are raining down on them like.

 

Why the fuck would anyone want to watch another year of dreary negativity? Two has been more than enough.

 

Nobody wants any of that, obviously. Some people just think he should be given another chance.

 

And last season might have not been perfect, but dreary is an absolutely insane description of it.

 

A "chance"? I didn't realise we were running a charity. If a player is shit for a whole season, you don't give them a chance and start them in every game the next on the off chance.

 

We'll have to agree to disagree on last season. Results were good, I'll give you that. That's not hindsight or rewriting history, as you well know because I said it was dross and you defended it all season on the basis of nothing other than "5th!"

 

Now we're 16th and you're still on board. Thoroughly bizarre.

[dcmk]

I think he's also weak in handling of players. Players like him and we're not hearing reports of bust ups even though we've been s*** all season so this is something that he deserves credit for. I'm also scared that if he goes, Ben Arfa will go too because his relationship with Pardew seems to be really good. But anyway, i think he's weak in handling players. He's probably promised that Shola will get chances so now he has to throw him on to give him games. You can read through the lines in what Shola has said this season and he's probably asked Pardew for a chance at one point or another, and because Pardew is weak, he acquiesced and now can't go back on his word. He's probably tried to make Shola feel important and has to commit to his words by giving him games. You can't keep praising someone without letting them play lest you're willing to anger or disappoint them. I think it's the same re:Jonas. After Jonas scored against Chelsea, he mentioned that Jonas knew that he hadnt been playing well so I think they've probably had some conversations and Pardew, being the type of manager that he is, has probably said to Jonas that he'd stick by him etc., and has continued to start him all the time. This fits into the type of manager that I think he is, judging by his words and actions. He's not someone who is strong who commands the respect of all the players. He wants to be liked, that's why he's always joking around and that's why he can't shut up in press conferences - he wants journalists and fans to like him. That's all right when things are going well because most people will lap up whatever he says if we're winning games but this season we have been completely s*** yet he's been unable to turn off this 'I want to be liked' feeling which is why so many of the things he says makes no sense and yet he keeps on talking and talking.

 

I still think there is a decent manager in there but we clearly now know his limitations. He's a confidence manager. When the team is going well, he won't get in the way but if the team is stumbling, he's also not going to be able to turn it around quickly. He's also not strong in his handling of players so if we have s*** but likeable players in the squad then he's going to annoy the s*** out of us.

 

Apologies for the amateur psychology, I'm just calling it like I see it: a guy who dearly wants to be liked, self aware, not stupid but not totally capable of being the manager that we need him to be. But maybe a summer off to reflect on all his mistakes this season will leave him a better position to deal with problems should similar ones arise in the future.

 

He does try to be liked by his players - i don't see this as any issue, I think any good manager would do the same.

 

As long as it doesn't get in the way of criticising them when they aren't performing, then it isn't an issue.  Cisse's half time video for example.  Jonas quite publicly, Ben Arfa's omission from starting line-ups etc is evidence that it doesn't.