Ronaldo Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 Not to mention the fact he was actually a very, very good player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 so was michael owen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 Not in Kluivert's league. PK cost us about £37m less, too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 ah the good old days of PK you changed my mind ronnie. i do want fat fred back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 ah the good old days of PK you changed my mind ronnie. i do want fat fred back. the thing is nowhe's got nowhere near the financial clout to compete. Ashley does however, but long term he is doing the right thing. It's just not as immediately exciting as those days i remember transfer rumours back in them days were always very exciting to be fair. nowadays, its like ok he plays in france. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David28 Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 I still dread the days of under fat Fred though. Sure we had some success. But it was still madness. I'd have it back now. Really? They were some good times to be fair, spunked a lot of money on fatties like kluivert and such but wasn't all bad. Whilst Ashley's plan is far more sustainable long term, it would be decent to see Fat Fred spunking loads of cash on Mourinho/Falcoa etc. But yeah like you say Ashley's is more sustainable. Just nice to be a force at times. I like it that we don't spent silly money for players that are past it or just want to join for money. Also, to only go for players that have the right age seems right to me. Still, think exceptions should be made. For example, I think we should have gone for Berbatov the moment he stated his desire to leave Man Utd. How much was it? 8 million? Top, top player. Can carry a team on his own at times. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 ah the good old days of PK you changed my mind ronnie. i do want fat fred back. Not trying to change anybody's mind, just Kluivert's a very poor example of what you're trying to convey about the FS era. Kluivert was a very good footballer and getting him was an astute piece of business given his pedigree and what we needed at the time - a replacement for Shearer. He could and should have been a success here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 ah the good old days of PK you changed my mind ronnie. i do want fat fred back. Not trying to change anybody's mind, just Kluivert's a very poor example of what you're trying to convey about the FS era. Kluivert was a very good footballer and getting him was an astute piece of business given his pedigree and what we needed at the time - a replacement for Shearer. He could and should have been a success here. i know what you're trying to say Ron, he may not be the best example, but i class him as one of many trophy signings under fat fred. one to please the fans to cover his own ass. Trophy signings that clearly joined because we were offering the highest wage packet at the time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 I still dread the days of under fat Fred though. Sure we had some success. But it was still madness. I'd have it back now. Really? They were some good times to be fair, spunked a lot of money on fatties like kluivert and such but wasn't all bad. Whilst Ashley's plan is far more sustainable long term, it would be decent to see Fat Fred spunking loads of cash on Mourinho/Falcoa etc. But yeah like you say Ashley's is more sustainable. Just nice to be a force at times. I like it that we don't spent silly money for players that are past it or just want to join for money. Also, to only go for players that have the right age seems right to me. Still, think exceptions should be made. For example, I think we should have gone for Berbatov the moment he stated his desire to leave Man Utd. How much was it? 8 million? Top, top player. Can carry a team on his own at times. £4.4m, no perceived sell-on fee though ain't it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 I still dread the days of under fat Fred though. Sure we had some success. But it was still madness. I'd have it back now. Really? They were some good times to be fair, spunked a lot of money on fatties like kluivert and such but wasn't all bad. Whilst Ashley's plan is far more sustainable long term, it would be decent to see Fat Fred spunking loads of cash on Mourinho/Falcoa etc. But yeah like you say Ashley's is more sustainable. Just nice to be a force at times. I like it that we don't spent silly money for players that are past it or just want to join for money. Also, to only go for players that have the right age seems right to me. Still, think exceptions should be made. For example, I think we should have gone for Berbatov the moment he stated his desire to leave Man Utd. How much was it? 8 million? Top, top player. Can carry a team on his own at times. Can carry a team at times but also a passenger a lot of times. I like him too, but another player that couldnt look more like a fish out of water under the style of Pardew's team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 I still dread the days of under fat Fred though. Sure we had some success. But it was still madness. I'd have it back now. Really? They were some good times to be fair, spunked a lot of money on fatties like kluivert and such but wasn't all bad. Whilst Ashley's plan is far more sustainable long term, it would be decent to see Fat Fred spunking loads of cash on Mourinho/Falcoa etc. But yeah like you say Ashley's is more sustainable. Just nice to be a force at times. I like it that we don't spent silly money for players that are past it or just want to join for money. Also, to only go for players that have the right age seems right to me. Still, think exceptions should be made. For example, I think we should have gone for Berbatov the moment he stated his desire to leave Man Utd. How much was it? 8 million? Top, top player. Can carry a team on his own at times. Our record of signing Man Utd players is a poor one tbf. Smith, Butt and Obertan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 I still dread the days of under fat Fred though. Sure we had some success. But it was still madness. I'd have it back now. Really? They were some good times to be fair, spunked a lot of money on fatties like kluivert and such but wasn't all bad. Whilst Ashley's plan is far more sustainable long term, it would be decent to see Fat Fred spunking loads of cash on Mourinho/Falcoa etc. But yeah like you say Ashley's is more sustainable. Just nice to be a force at times. I like it that we don't spent silly money for players that are past it or just want to join for money. Also, to only go for players that have the right age seems right to me. Still, think exceptions should be made. For example, I think we should have gone for Berbatov the moment he stated his desire to leave Man Utd. How much was it? 8 million? Top, top player. Can carry a team on his own at times. Our record of signing Man Utd players is a poor one tbf. Smith, Butt and Obertan. Not to forget everyone's favourite full-back... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 Agree with Ronaldo regarding Kluivert. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmymag Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 ah the good old days of PK you changed my mind ronnie. i do want fat fred back. Not trying to change anybody's mind, just Kluivert's a very poor example of what you're trying to convey about the FS era. Kluivert was a very good footballer and getting him was an astute piece of business given his pedigree and what we needed at the time - a replacement for Shearer. He could and should have been a success here. He was overweight, over paid and over here just to top up his pension. Surely just the type of player we didn't need then, and will never be interested in again under the current regime. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varadi Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 Luke Edwards sticking the boot in now: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/newcastle-united/10015256/Newcastle-United-manager-Alan-Pardew-faces-uncertain-future-ahead-of-Premier-League-relegation-battle.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 Agree with Ronaldo regarding Kluivert. So do I, if it wasn't for appointing Souness he could have been brilliant for us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 ah the good old days of PK you changed my mind ronnie. i do want fat fred back. Not trying to change anybody's mind, just Kluivert's a very poor example of what you're trying to convey about the FS era. Kluivert was a very good footballer and getting him was an astute piece of business given his pedigree and what we needed at the time - a replacement for Shearer. He could and should have been a success here. He was overweight, over paid and over here just to top up his pension. Surely just the type of player we didn't need then, and will never be interested in again under the current regime. yep exactly, another pie eater like viduka. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 Agree with Ronaldo regarding Kluivert. So do I, if it wasn't for appointing Souness he could have been brilliant for us. oh come on Mick he was only ever interested in our pies. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawK Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 Agree with Ronaldo regarding Kluivert. So do I, if it wasn't for appointing Souness he could have been brilliant for us. At that stage in Shearer's career, when Kluivert played up front with Bellamy they were just on another planet to what Shearer could do, he was completely immobile. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 At that stage in Shearer's career, when Kluivert played up front with Bellamy they were just on another planet to what Shearer could do, he was completely immobile. And Souness got him (Shearer) to sign another contract just so that he could break the club scoring record. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 Bobby Robson was quite happy to sign Kluivert, it would have been interesting to see how he'd have used him, although by then Bobby was losing control of the squad to some degree and Shearer wasn't happy about Kluivert threatening his position much. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 There has been criticism of the tactics. Pardew got rid of the 4-4-2 and 4-3-3 formations that brought them success last season and deployed a more fashionable 4-2-3-1. The major problem is, it does not seem to work. Mainly because Papiss Cisse – their only fit specialist striker – is not comfortable as a lone frontman and Hatem Ben Arfa, the squad’s only natural No 10, has been injured. But there are also issues with other players being used out of position, including central midfielder Moussa Sissoko, who has been asked to play in a more attacking role behind Cisse since arriving from Toulouse. From The Luke Edwards article above. There's definitely some journos getting a bit antsy with 4 games to go. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 Doesn't make much sense since Ben Arfa would no doubt be on the wing if fit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 Cisse is comfortable as the lone striker though, he just works better with players either side rather than from deep. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 There has been criticism of the tactics. Pardew got rid of the 4-4-2 and 4-3-3 formations that brought them success last season and deployed a more fashionable 4-2-3-1. The major problem is, it does not seem to work. Mainly because Papiss Cisse – their only fit specialist striker – is not comfortable as a lone frontman and Hatem Ben Arfa, the squad’s only natural No 10, has been injured. But there are also issues with other players being used out of position, including central midfielder Moussa Sissoko, who has been asked to play in a more attacking role behind Cisse since arriving from Toulouse. From The Luke Edwards article above. There's definitely some journos getting a bit antsy with 4 games to go. a bit fucking late arent they? these articles should have been up many months ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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