Guest sicko2ndbest Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 I think the conversations been had with Demba about starting in the left again judging by his comments in the week How do you take one of the leagues top scorers and play him out wide is the conundrum! He needs to get it right Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_NUFC Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 To be thoroughly honest, I think this result ... SHOULD... serve as a kick up the arse. We were pretty fucking good at Anfield and played well, and scored. Something is just missing in front of our own fans, maybe the pressure to entertain, attack, so Pardew somehow retracts like a convulsing vagina and goes uber-defensive to compensate for the pressure to perform. Who knows. But it seems like he needs to let our boys roam, like wild buffalo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 We've been every bit as bad away from SJP, far worse in fact. We just get more opportunities to soak up pressure and counter on the road. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mistle17 Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Well, had the chance to sleep on it and (try) digest yesterday. Still want him out. Useless prick. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagten Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 From August: We've tried to play with two strikers again' date=' and we're going to try and do that as much as we can. [b']And if it opens the game up a bit, we accept that; we might get beat here and there, but we'll have a bit of entertainment on the way.[/b] Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 He ain't going anywhere mind, unless he decided to quit he will not be sacked. Nor should he tbf, eleven games doesn't outweigh the good he achieved last year. Come the summer, if we've had a hugely disappointing season then by all means, re-evaluate but wanting him out now is a bit mad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 He ain't going anywhere mind, unless he decided to quit he will not be sacked. Nor should he tbf, eleven games doesn't outweigh the good he achieved last year. Come the summer, if we've had a hugely disappointing season then by all means, re-evaluate but wanting him out now is a bit mad. Not really. By summer, our star players will be disaffected. If you know he isn't the right man now, why wait? All a moot point though as you say. He's staying. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 You're assuming the rest of the season will be as disappointing as the first quarter. For what it's worth, I think we'll improve. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 When I heard the line up for West Brom at home I posted saying I felt like I was right back where I started with Pardew, and I lose a little bit of confidence in him every week at the minute (especially at home, I was actually pleased with the Anfield result but I didn't see the game). I know it's easy for us as fans to talk about how we would approach games without the pressure of actually having to deal with the results. Injuries and suspensions shouldn't be a reason (and aren't a valid excuse) to negate your teams best qualities, especially when it's clear to see we negate our attacking qualities every single week in the hope of nicking a result anyway. We only had two of the first 11 missing yesterday anyway, but surely if you're missing a couple at home to a promoted team (players that contribute to solidity) you emphasise your attacking game so you don't miss them as much? Does this seem like bollocks to anyone? It seems logical to me. The problem though goes back to all of the stuff I was talking about in the mid part of last season, the players are coached 80% of the time on defensive shape and solidity, so when the pressure's on there's absolutely nothing going forward as a team. It's laughable how hopeless we are as an attacking unit, the default setting (when we're up against it and the team need to go back to basics) should always be to pass and move, create triangles, give the player on the ball options, keep the ball on the deck and keep possession. If we're 1-0 up and under pressure yes bring Shola on and kick it to him, our manager has failed so comprehensively to get Ba, Cisse and Ben Arfa into an attacking system that kicking it at Shola has become his attempt at winning games for fucks sake. Yesterday was a perfect example, I thought Ba and Ben Arfa had great games, both gave the West Ham defence a torrid time but they had absolutely no support from the team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Last season people moaned about Simpson, because in a talented, attacking team, he is the Achilles heel. Id kill for Simpson to be the problem again. Tactically, we are nothing short of clueless. We have players that play in the modern style and Pardew has them playing a game that was and always will be shit. If he wants to play that way, Andy Carroll will be perfect, but I think we all know that style will be painful to watch and we wont progress at all. Im starting to have major doubts about his footballing intelligence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samag Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 For me we lack a good box to box midfield man, someone who get past his forwards into the box and gets his share of goals. Until we get such a player i think the long ball is what we will stick too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan_Taylor Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 For me we lack a good box to box midfield man, someone who get past his forwards into the box and gets his share of goals. Until we get such a player i think the long ball is what we will stick too. http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/52680000/jpg/_52680293_nolan_464x261getty.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samag Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 For me we lack a good box to box midfield man, someone who get past his forwards into the box and gets his share of goals. Until we get such a player i think the long ball is what we will stick too. http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/52680000/jpg/_52680293_nolan_464x261getty.jpg Yes just like him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Last season people moaned about Simpson, because in a talented, attacking team, he is the Achilles heel. Id kill for Simpson to be the problem again. Tactically, we are nothing short of clueless. We have players that play in the modern style and Pardew has them playing a game that was and always will be shit. If he wants to play that way, Andy Carroll will be perfect, but I think we all know that style will be painful to watch and we wont progress at all. Im starting to have major doubts about his footballing intelligence. was about to say, '80's player playing an '80's game as a manager with players from 2012 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 For me we lack a good box to box midfield man, someone who get past his forwards into the box and gets his share of goals. Until we get such a player i think the long ball is what we will stick too. That's the thing, though. The long ball crap we've been playing actually highlights, not negates, the need for a box-to-box player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 For me we lack a good box to box midfield man, someone who get past his forwards into the box and gets his share of goals. Until we get such a player i think the long ball is what we will stick too. That's the thing, though. The long ball crap we've been playing actually highlights, not negates, the need for a box-to-box player. exactly, how often did we have a midfielder pushing on yesterday looking to either win the second ball or get onto a knockdown that should be bread and butter if you're playing long ball? aimless, directionless floatball man Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Aye the lack of picking up second balls was painfully evident yesterday, it's either a pin point delivery which lands at a striker (whether a cross or a long ball) or the other team win possession very easily. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 For me we lack a good box to box midfield man, someone who get past his forwards into the box and gets his share of goals. Until we get such a player i think the long ball is what we will stick too. That's the thing, though. The long ball crap we've been playing actually highlights, not negates, the need for a box-to-box player. exactly, how often did we have a midfielder pushing on yesterday looking to either win the second ball or get onto a knockdown that should be bread and butter if you're playing long ball? aimless, directionless floatball man We never ever have enough bodies in the box when attacking. Cabaye must get into the box at most 5 times a match these days, not good enough imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Aye the lack of picking up second balls was painfully evident yesterday, it's either a pin point delivery which lands at a striker (whether a cross or a long ball) or the other team win possession very easily. what's particularly annoying is they won the second ball every time at our end as well, whenever our defence won a header or shanked a clearance it landed to one of their midfield who were pressing what the fuck were they doing for 90 minutes? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 For me we lack a good box to box midfield man, someone who get past his forwards into the box and gets his share of goals. Until we get such a player i think the long ball is what we will stick too. That's the thing, though. The long ball crap we've been playing actually highlights, not negates, the need for a box-to-box player. exactly, how often did we have a midfielder pushing on yesterday looking to either win the second ball or get onto a knockdown that should be bread and butter if you're playing long ball? aimless, directionless floatball man Our midfield yesterday was completely anonymous, literally didn't even perform any of their roles well. They're always so deep, Cabaye and Anita were often together and when one did occasionally push up, it was Anita?! There was such a massive gap there and neither of our strikers filled that space at all, meaning we had no central presence and could only either hoof it after some passing around the back or just predictably go to the wing. It was depressingly bad yesterday and Pardew simply isn't adapting to what he has available. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 I liked Mike's idea yesterday about the Williamson free kick routine, it needs it's own song that is sung every time it happens. I don't think Pardew can hear me standing up and screaming 'shite' in Level 4 so I need some help. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan_Taylor Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 I liked Mike's idea yesterday about the Williamson free kick routine, it needs it's own song that is sung every time it happens. I don't think Pardew can hear me standing up and screaming 's****' in Level 4 so I need some help. That shit doesn't work That shit doesn't worrrrrrrrk Crossing to Willo That shit doesn't work Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 The Williamson free kick is a joke, yesterday was the first time I heard discontent from the masses about it. It doesn't give me a lot of hope for Pardew to adapt and change any time soon, when he can't even recognise that our only free kick routine doesn't work and is absolutely rubbish in theory too. It's such a waste of a ball in the box, just get it in the danger zone with pace where something could happen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 I was always suspicious about Pardew's record as a manager because his sides have always started off well and then, as others have said, they fade away and he ends up being sacked. Obviously, I hoped that this wouldn't happen this time but it looks as if it is and although he has some mitigating circumstances after the lack of squad strengthening in the summer, there is little doubt that he is not getting the best out of the players we currently have. He persists with the 4-4-2 formation which clearly doesn't suit either Ba or Cisse, the latter being especially affected by the system...neither of these players are anywhere near being decent target men, and even if we had one, the m/f is always too far away to offer support to forwards when the ball is hoofed forwards as it usually is. The lack of ability to retain possession is bordering on criminal and other teams have now well and truly sussed how we play and are countering it easily. When we were winning games last season it was easy for fans to overlook the flaws in our general play in the hope that summer signings would address that - we now know it hasn't and the scales are starting to fall from the eyes of many fans who were prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt. The fact that those who say they have lost faith with the manager is DOUBLE the figure who say its too soon to tell shows you that..... We are picking up bad suspensions after players commit silly and serious fouls - it is hard to avoid the feeling that some of this is happening due to frustration among the better players, both with the way they are being asked to perform and the lack of summer reinforcements. Pardew has obviously had them onside over the last 2 seasons but it looks as if they are either seeing through him as a tactician or that they, like many fans, see him as a Board apologist. Good managers get great performances out of ordinary players...KK did this as did SBR...poor managers make good players look ordinary or less talented than they actually are - I reckon the number of fans who are willing to put Pardew in the former category has diminished drastically this season, but there is little chance of his being replaced, Apart from the fact that Ashley would not want to pay any compensation, who else would take the job ? Would anyone on here put a brass farthing on Jol, say, leaving Fulham to work for Ashley and Llambias ? I wouldn't..... Unless we end up in a relegation spot by Christmas - not completely unlikely at this rate - Pardew is here for the foreseeable future. Percentage football will rule, at least until the season's end, but whether many fans will renew STs after a season of this stuff is another matter ; Ashley fired Allardyce because he 'wasn't being entertained'...is he now, I wonder ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pintofscottsellers Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 I liked Mike's idea yesterday about the Williamson free kick routine, it needs it's own song that is sung every time it happens. I don't think Pardew can hear me standing up and screaming 's****' in Level 4 so I need some help. That s*** doesn't work That s*** doesn't worrrrrrrrk Crossing to Willo That s*** doesn't work Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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