Alan Pardew

[Mole_Toonfan]

We need to note what Moyes achieved at Everton, he had a few years where they bounced up and down the league before establishing themselves a regular top seven club.

 

This is a very tepid start to the season but let's not get things out of hand.

 

Pardew has done nothing atm to suggest he is in Moyess class

 

Moyes' first season at Everton he took over part-way through and kept them from relegation.

 

Moyes' second season at Everton they finished 7th.

 

Moyes' third season at Everton they finished 17th, narrowly avoiding relegation.

 

So very different from Pardew's reign at NUFC?

 

Moyes didn't have a track record of previous premiership failings, particularly the season after a successful one

 

What failings? West Ham? the same West Ham when he was clearly undermined by the board....

 

Other than that i can't think of any other failings and in any case he finished 5th last season for crying out loud and despite the poor start to the season we are 3 points behind Spurs and it's only f*cking November.

 

Reminds me of the same people that wanted Sir Bobby out after our failed CL qualification, have some patience.

 

[Mick]

 

 

Because Moyes has had 10 years, Pardew 2.

 

They've both has the same lenght of time to learn how to manage, the only benefit for Moyes is that he's had more stability to get players to settle in and play the way that he wants.  That and he probably has more say in who comes into the club butour players aren't our problem anyway so that one goes out of the window.

[Parky]

It's been mentioned by at least a couple on here today, and there's another 3 or 4 who you know fine well would be in favour.

 

If you put me in amongst that 3 or 4 you would be wrong.

 

If he takes us to where the mackems are currently sitting then I'll change my mind.  If he persists with the shit he's currently serving up for another month or so and results are being repeated then once again, I'll change my mind.  If he appears to lose the dressing room then he can go.  If we have our better players leaving because they aren't prepared to play his style of football, he can go.  If he changes things and results and performances pick up again like they did last season and we’re here again in 12 months going through the same crap then I will want him to go.

 

His 8 year contract will not keep him here as he'll get no more than Keegan got when he walked, I can’t see any way that he'll leave here any time soon and get paid for the remainder of his contract.  If we're failing he'll get the bullet because Llambias and Ashley will not stand by and watch us go down, not that I think we will, before anybody claims otherwise.

 

At the minute I live in hope that he'll finally see that he's wrong and changes the way we’re playing.

 

I've seen nothing in his entire career as a manager to think he has it in him to change in a meaningful way. I think he has his personal preferances regarding style and that will always be his default position. There have been periods when we have played decent football, but the overall curve doesn't seem to be up, instead we are falling back. Of course he isn't entirely to blame as he's dealing with a very tight financial structure that we all see before us. But if he doesn't call for more backing in the transfer market he is letting us down and more importantly himself.

 

It's taken time, but I think the majority now see through his massaging post match rigmarole. I haven't given up on him entirely however as he clearly quite a tough character and sufficently pragmatic to entertain other options as above all he likes to win games. Him being a percentage man might yet save him again. Time will tell.

 

The romantic in me wants him gone, but the realist in me knows that football has changed.

[SEMTEX]

 

 

Because Moyes has had 10 years, Pardew 2.

 

They've both has the same lenght of time to learn how to manage, the only benefit for Moyes is that he's had more stability to get players to settle in and play the way that he wants.  That and he probably has more say in who comes into the club butour players aren't our problem anyway so that one goes out of the window.

 

Stability is by far my biggest concern right now to be honest. I'm so very tired of the managerial merry-go-round ( ), Pardew has got us to 5th place last season, it's enough evidence for me to want him around for the next couple of years no matter what. And trust me, I don't much care for our current form.

[JCONA]

Getting rid of Pardew would rightly make us the laughing stock of football.

 

And yet we have been so many times in recent history. Seems some people on here would like to return to such a status.

 

 

Wish everyone would remember Arsenal & Wenger. How many bad spells have they had over the years.. And how many good ones..

 

Poor comparison.

 

To clarify I wasn't trying to suggest earlier that Pardew is at par with Wenger, nor was I trying to suggest that we are anywhere near on par with Arsenal, and nor am I suggesting now that people on this board would wish to be the laughing stock of football.

 

What I am suggesting is that if some people on here had their way, we would without doubt be permanently the laughing stock of football.

[Varadi]

 

 

Because Moyes has had 10 years, Pardew 2.

 

They've both has the same lenght of time to learn how to manage, the only benefit for Moyes is that he's had more stability to get players to settle in and play the way that he wants.  That and he probably has more say in who comes into the club butour players aren't our problem anyway so that one goes out of the window.

 

Stability is by far my biggest concern right now to be honest. I'm so very tired of the managerial merry-go-round ( ), Pardew has got us to 5th place last season, it's enough evidence for me to want him for the next couple of years no matter what.

 

Aye - a (completely unexpected) 5th place finish and manager of the year has to buy you more than 11 games of the next season. No doubting there's some problems at the moment but nothing insurmountable. Tiote/Cabaye axis back, half decent performance and ideally a couple of goals for Cisse on Saturday and all will be well with the world again.

[colinmk]

What's with this ridiculous Pardew v Moyes stuff?  Different clubs/levels of players, different situations and different times.

[Mick]

 

 

Stability is by far my biggest concern right now to be honest. I'm so very tired of the managerial merry-go-round ( ), Pardew has got us to 5th place last season, it's enough evidence for me to want him for the next couple of years no matter what.

 

Roeder got us to 7th but that didn't mean we should have stuck with him when he clearly wasn't good enough.  Stability only works with the right person in charge and we shouldn't wait a couple of years if we're going backwards. 

[Cronky]

It's interesting because although Pardew presents as a very open and friendly character, in practice I don't feel I've sussed him out much at all as a manager or as a person. I'm unsure whether he's a modern thinker or a traditionalist, an experimenter or a conservative. Beneath the public face, I think he keeps his cards very close to his chest.

 

I don't mind him not being as good as Moyes, because IMO Moyes is the 3rd best manager in the league after Wenger and Fergie. Given the chance with a really big club, who knows what he might achieve.

[Guest BooBoo]

It's not ridiculous.

 

Both managers operating on limited budgets with sides whose fans would realistically like to see challenge for the top six. Us and Everton in the PL era are two very similar sized clubs in terms of what we've achieved, fan base and expectations and pressure.

 

Moyes started well at Everton but had a couple of really poor seasons. They stuck with him and are probably looking as good as they ever had in his tenure.

 

It was a point about the benefits of sticking with someone who has shown they can deliver rather than panic when we have a wobble.

[Parky]

Moyes is imo in a different class to Pardew. One of the best in this league. He's changed his style a couple of times to suit the personnel he has to call on. I rate him only behind 3/4 other in this league.

[colinmk]

It's not ridiculous.

 

Both managers operating on limited budgets with sides whose fans would realistically like to see challenge for the top six. Us and Everton in the PL era are two very similar sized clubs in terms of what we've achieved, fan base and expectations and pressure.

 

Moyes started well at Everton but had a couple of really poor seasons. They stuck with him and are probably looking as good as they ever had in his tenure.

 

It was a point about the benefits of sticking with someone who has shown they can deliver rather than panic when we have a wobble.

 

Fair enough, there's just so many variables though I find these kinds of comparisons a bit silly, agree about the benefits of sticking with the manager though for sure.

[Parky]

It's not ridiculous.

 

Both managers operating on limited budgets with sides whose fans would realistically like to see challenge for the top six. Us and Everton in the PL era are two very similar sized clubs in terms of what we've achieved, fan base and expectations and pressure.

 

Moyes started well at Everton but had a couple of really poor seasons. They stuck with him and are probably looking as good as they ever had in his tenure.

 

It was a point about the benefits of sticking with someone who has shown they can deliver rather than panic when we have a wobble.

 

Moyes did go through an ultra conservative period but much of that was due to the failings in his team imo.

[TRon]

Moyes bad spells as manager have tended to be when they are struggling with injuries, When he's got his best players available Everton have usually been as good as could be expected given the modest investment in the squad.

[Mike]

The petulance probably relates to being a bit sick of football in its present state. It's really quite shit if you think about it. The trophy-winning club is all but a closed shop with a buy-in deposit which prices out all but the insanely wealthy.

 

Which is why playoffs should at least be discussed.

 

Let's look at the last 20 years.

 

 

 

http://i.imgur.com/Ej93Q.png

 

Five different clubs in 20 years.

 

Now compare that to the last 20 years of playoff sports.

 

http://i.imgur.com/YTwvQ.png

 

12 different champs in 20 years.

 

http://i.imgur.com/tnkZo.png

 

8 different champs in 20 years. (Note: The NBA might be the most corrupt league on our side. It's unbelievable what happens in the postseason.)

 

http://i.imgur.com/qSNu0.png

 

13 in 20 in the NHL

 

http://i.imgur.com/upnyv.png

 

11 in 20.

 

http://i.imgur.com/h3LaK.png

 

9 champs since the league started.

 

 

Fuck tradition.

[SEMTEX]

Lovely screenshots, but IMO that's not so much because of playoffs, it's because of salary caps and drafts.

 

Talk up a salary cap, and I'll consider not poo pooing your screenshots.

[NEEJ]

The petulance probably relates to being a bit sick of football in its present state. It's really quite s*** if you think about it. The trophy-winning club is all but a closed shop with a buy-in deposit which prices out all but the insanely wealthy.

 

Which is why playoffs should at least be discussed.

 

Let's look at the last 20 years.

 

 

 

http://i.imgur.com/Ej93Q.png

 

Five different clubs in 20 years.

 

Now compare that to the last 20 years of playoff sports.

 

http://i.imgur.com/YTwvQ.png

 

12 different champs in 20 years.

 

http://i.imgur.com/tnkZo.png

 

8 different champs in 20 years. (Note: The NBA might be the most corrupt league on our side. It's unbelievable what happens in the postseason.)

 

http://i.imgur.com/qSNu0.png

 

13 in 20 in the NHL

 

http://i.imgur.com/upnyv.png

 

11 in 20.

 

http://i.imgur.com/h3LaK.png

 

9 champs since the league started.

 

 

f*** tradition.

Oh no you didn't. Get the fuck out of here.

[SEMTEX]

Lovely screenshots, but IMO that's not so much because of playoffs, it's because of salary caps and drafts.

 

Talk up a salary cap, and I'll consider not poo pooing your screenshots.

 

Look, here's a screenshot for you:

 

http://i.imgur.com/Gf86u.png

 

The FA Cup. A cup competition. A little more varied, yes, but still bossed by a select few.

[Mike]

Lovely screenshots, but IMO that's not so much because of playoffs, it's because of salary caps and drafts.

 

Talk up a salary cap, and I'll consider not poo pooing your screenshots.

 

Baseball has no cap and the draft is essentially the same as buying youth players that generally have no impact on the season in which they were drafted.

 

Baseball went from essentially no playoffs (best team won) to a playoff (Best team in AL and NL played WS) to full playoffs and two wild cards and the game hasn't suffered. Tradition is bullshit.

[SEMTEX]

Tradition is fuck all to do with wanting the best team over the season to win the trophy.

[Mike]

Lovely screenshots, but IMO that's not so much because of playoffs, it's because of salary caps and drafts.

 

Talk up a salary cap, and I'll consider not poo pooing your screenshots.

 

Look, here's a screenshot for you:

 

http://i.imgur.com/Gf86u.png

 

The FA Cup. A cup competition. A little more varied, yes, but still bossed by a select few.

 

Nah, man. FA cup isn't any kind of comparison. We know better than most that some teams in the FA cup aren't necessarily trying to win it.

[Mike]

The petulance probably relates to being a bit sick of football in its present state. It's really quite s*** if you think about it. The trophy-winning club is all but a closed shop with a buy-in deposit which prices out all but the insanely wealthy.

 

Which is why playoffs should at least be discussed.

 

Let's look at the last 20 years.

 

 

 

http://i.imgur.com/Ej93Q.png

 

Five different clubs in 20 years.

 

Now compare that to the last 20 years of playoff sports.

 

http://i.imgur.com/YTwvQ.png

 

12 different champs in 20 years.

 

http://i.imgur.com/tnkZo.png

 

8 different champs in 20 years. (Note: The NBA might be the most corrupt league on our side. It's unbelievable what happens in the postseason.)

 

http://i.imgur.com/qSNu0.png

 

13 in 20 in the NHL

 

http://i.imgur.com/upnyv.png

 

11 in 20.

 

http://i.imgur.com/h3LaK.png

 

9 champs since the league started.

 

 

f*** tradition.

Oh no you didn't. Get the fuck out of here.

 

I will NEVER understand why playoffs is a bad word!

[SEMTEX]

Lovely screenshots, but IMO that's not so much because of playoffs, it's because of salary caps and drafts.

 

Talk up a salary cap, and I'll consider not poo pooing your screenshots.

 

Baseball has no cap and the draft is essentially the same as buying youth players that generally have no impact on the season in which they were drafted.

 

Baseball went from essentially no playoffs (best team won) to a playoff (Best team in AL and NL played WS) to full playoffs and two wild cards and the game hasn't suffered. Tradition is bullshit.

 

How could baseball suffer? The game is completely devoid of excitement in the first place.

 

The only reason people watch is because of the playoffs being random and 'fun', having sat through a 2,430 game war of attrition.

[SEMTEX]

The petulance probably relates to being a bit sick of football in its present state. It's really quite s*** if you think about it. The trophy-winning club is all but a closed shop with a buy-in deposit which prices out all but the insanely wealthy.

 

Which is why playoffs should at least be discussed.

 

Let's look at the last 20 years.

 

 

 

http://i.imgur.com/Ej93Q.png

 

Five different clubs in 20 years.

 

Now compare that to the last 20 years of playoff sports.

 

http://i.imgur.com/YTwvQ.png

 

12 different champs in 20 years.

 

http://i.imgur.com/tnkZo.png

 

8 different champs in 20 years. (Note: The NBA might be the most corrupt league on our side. It's unbelievable what happens in the postseason.)

 

http://i.imgur.com/qSNu0.png

 

13 in 20 in the NHL

 

http://i.imgur.com/upnyv.png

 

11 in 20.

 

http://i.imgur.com/h3LaK.png

 

9 champs since the league started.

 

 

f*** tradition.

Oh no you didn't. Get the fuck out of here.

 

I will NEVER understand why playoffs is a bad word!

 

It is unfair. Much like the scheduling in these leagues.

[Dave]

Fuck off Mike.