TRon Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 He really is a coward. Absolutely. Think he's just out of his depth tbh. Agreed. I think Pards is a very good and capable PL manager. But he just doesn't have the chops to make a mid-table team a Champions League team. Which *should* be our goal as a club. I think he'd be a very good Championship manager. He's not quite as good as that other afficionado of hoofball Sam Allardyce, as Fat sam clearly knows how to use dead ball situations better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest thenorthumbrian Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Alan Pardew the new Glen Roeder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Yes , i remember every single post that i was shot down for questioning his tactics and lack of routine drills and style. The cowardice of not using Ben Arfa. Its all in the thread you wanna do some digging? The only difference was we were winning marginally and everybody was happy. You were one in particular that loved it. I don't want to waste any more time on that. My point is simple: our squad is fucking shit. Compare the squad with Spurs, including the bench, and see where they finished last season. You are suggesting a "appropriate manager in your mind" can immediately turn us into Man Utd and winning most of the match "more than a margin". I don't know who that one is, and how realistic it is, I'm afraid you can't suggest anyone that would really come and work under Ashley. To me, I totally understand the limitation, and a "appropriate manager in my mind" is the one who can win most of the match marginally and consistently, GIVEN THIS SQUAD. Bassong even couldnt get a game in Spurs and was sold. I fucking miss him, you know? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Those quotes. We're massive underdogs every single game, it's a wonder we get any points at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 He really is a coward. Absolutely. Think he's just out of his depth tbh. Agreed. I think Pards is a very good and capable PL manager. But he just doesn't have the chops to make a mid-table team a Champions League team. Which *should* be our goal as a club. We're not a midtable team, and Pardew isn't very good at anything besides talking s**** We are at least a mid-table team. We're just not playing like one. I don't believe it was completely random that we finished 5th last season. This team does have a lot of talent and is capable of challenging for a Champions League spot on their best day (with a couple more additions). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 He really is a coward. Absolutely. Think he's just out of his depth tbh. Agreed. I think Pards is a very good and capable PL manager. But he just doesn't have the chops to make a mid-table team a Champions League team. Which *should* be our goal as a club. easy now. Which part of that statement do you object to? the transformation of a midtable team into a champions league team, jesus its like it just rolls off your lip,. that is a tougher task than you may think, managers that are capable of doing that dont usually join clubs like nufc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Yes , i remember every single post that i was shot down for questioning his tactics and lack of routine drills and style. The cowardice of not using Ben Arfa. Its all in the thread you wanna do some digging? The only difference was we were winning marginally and everybody was happy. You were one in particular that loved it. I don't want to waste any more time on that. My point is simple: our squad is fucking shit. Compare the squad with Spurs, including the bench, and see where they finished last season. You are suggesting a "appropriate manager in your mind" can immediately turn us into Man Utd and winning most of the match "more than a margin". I don't know who that one is, and how realistic it is, I'm afraid you can't suggest anyone that would really come and work under Ashley. To me, I totally understand the limitation, and a "appropriate manager in my mind" is the one who can win most of the match marginally and consistently, GIVEN THIS SQUAD. Bassong even couldnt get a game in Spurs and was sold. I fucking miss him, you know? Our squad is shit? What utter, depressing bollocks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 He really is a coward. Absolutely. Think he's just out of his depth tbh. Agreed. I think Pards is a very good and capable PL manager. But he just doesn't have the chops to make a mid-table team a Champions League team. Which *should* be our goal as a club. We're not a midtable team, and Pardew isn't very good at anything besides talking s**** We are at least a mid-table team. We're just not playing like one. I don't believe it was completely random that we finished 5th last season. This team does have a lot of talent. We have a very unbalanced team, with a starting 11 comparable to Arsenal and a bench comparable to Leeds. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dyeyzzon Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 can you do a print screen of Pardew's FM profile? Would be a laugh. Have fun. http://i48.tinypic.com/dp7r0z.png Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 When was the last time we put in a decent performance in the league? April 21st. I don't believe it. Well, I grant you, it's subjective, but at home to Stoke was the last one I can think of. Brilliant performance that was could have been 5 or 6 at least, oh i wish we could play like that again For now i'll just stick to FM pretending it's real Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eliassenfredrik Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Playing Mentality: Adventurous seems legit Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 He really is a coward. Absolutely. Think he's just out of his depth tbh. Agreed. I think Pards is a very good and capable PL manager. But he just doesn't have the chops to make a mid-table team a Champions League team. Which *should* be our goal as a club. easy now. Which part of that statement do you object to? the transformation of a midtable team into a champions league team, jesus its like it just rolls off your lip,. that is a tougher task than you may think, managers that are capable of doing that dont usually join clubs like nufc. This team did finish 5th last season, which I don't attribute purely to Pardew's wizardry or pure dumb luck. Should not the goal of this club be to challenge for a Champions League spot? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Yes , i remember every single post that i was shot down for questioning his tactics and lack of routine drills and style. The cowardice of not using Ben Arfa. Its all in the thread you wanna do some digging? The only difference was we were winning marginally and everybody was happy. You were one in particular that loved it. I don't want to waste any more time on that. My point is simple: our squad is f***ing s***. Compare the squad with Spurs, including the bench, and see where they finished last season. You are suggesting a "appropriate manager in your mind" can immediately turn us into Man Utd and winning most of the match "more than a margin". I don't know who that one is, and how realistic it is, I'm afraid you can't suggest anyone that would really come and work under Ashley. To me, I totally understand the limitation, and a "appropriate manager in my mind" is the one who can win most of the match marginally and consistently, GIVEN THIS SQUAD. Bassong even couldnt get a game in Spurs and was sold. I f***ing miss him, you know? Our squad is s***? What utter, depressing bollocks. Our squad is shit. Evaluate the bench and other squad rotation players yourself. Don't be cheated by the starting eleven. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Yes , i remember every single post that i was shot down for questioning his tactics and lack of routine drills and style. The cowardice of not using Ben Arfa. Its all in the thread you wanna do some digging? The only difference was we were winning marginally and everybody was happy. You were one in particular that loved it. I don't want to waste any more time on that. My point is simple: our squad is f***ing s***. Compare the squad with Spurs, including the bench, and see where they finished last season. You are suggesting a "appropriate manager in your mind" can immediately turn us into Man Utd and winning most of the match "more than a margin". I don't know who that one is, and how realistic it is, I'm afraid you can't suggest anyone that would really come and work under Ashley. To me, I totally understand the limitation, and a "appropriate manager in my mind" is the one who can win most of the match marginally and consistently, GIVEN THIS SQUAD. Bassong even couldnt get a game in Spurs and was sold. I f***ing miss him, you know? Our squad is s***? What utter, depressing bollocks. Our squad is shit. Evaluate the bench and other squad rotation players yourself. Don't be cheated by the starting eleven. What do you attribute the starting XI being shit to? Equally, do you feel the likes of WBA have a great squad? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 can you do a print screen of Pardew's FM profile? Would be a laugh. Have fun. http://i48.tinypic.com/dp7r0z.png lol cheers mate lets highlights the stats. attacking 10/20 defending 17/20 playing style: direct coaching style: defending pretty accurate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Our squad is not shit man. The way it is utilised, coached and trained is imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Yes , i remember every single post that i was shot down for questioning his tactics and lack of routine drills and style. The cowardice of not using Ben Arfa. Its all in the thread you wanna do some digging? The only difference was we were winning marginally and everybody was happy. You were one in particular that loved it. I don't want to waste any more time on that. My point is simple: our squad is f***ing s***. Compare the squad with Spurs, including the bench, and see where they finished last season. You are suggesting a "appropriate manager in your mind" can immediately turn us into Man Utd and winning most of the match "more than a margin". I don't know who that one is, and how realistic it is, I'm afraid you can't suggest anyone that would really come and work under Ashley. To me, I totally understand the limitation, and a "appropriate manager in my mind" is the one who can win most of the match marginally and consistently, GIVEN THIS SQUAD. Bassong even couldnt get a game in Spurs and was sold. I f***ing miss him, you know? Our squad is s***? What utter, depressing bollocks. Our squad is shit. Evaluate the bench and other squad rotation players yourself. Don't be cheated by the starting eleven. Really mate I can't be bothered. It's because of fans like you that we will end up losing our quality players while defending a manager who's ideas about football expired in 1980. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 He really is a coward. Absolutely. Think he's just out of his depth tbh. Agreed. I think Pards is a very good and capable PL manager. But he just doesn't have the chops to make a mid-table team a Champions League team. Which *should* be our goal as a club. easy now. Which part of that statement do you object to? the transformation of a midtable team into a champions league team, jesus its like it just rolls off your lip,. that is a tougher task than you may think, managers that are capable of doing that dont usually join clubs like nufc. This team did finish 5th last season, which I don't attribute purely to Pardew's wizardry or pure dumb luck. Should not the goal of this club be to challenge for a Champions League spot? Finishing 5 with or without Europe competition makes a huge difference. To the owner, definitely a no, because it means he has to spend money. Pretty obvious, no? In fact there isn't a team that can transform into a champions league team without spending huge money. Probably Sir Bobby has already spent the least. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dontooner Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Yes , i remember every single post that i was shot down for questioning his tactics and lack of routine drills and style. The cowardice of not using Ben Arfa. Its all in the thread you wanna do some digging? The only difference was we were winning marginally and everybody was happy. You were one in particular that loved it. I don't want to waste any more time on that. My point is simple: our squad is f***ing s***. Compare the squad with Spurs, including the bench, and see where they finished last season. You are suggesting a "appropriate manager in your mind" can immediately turn us into Man Utd and winning most of the match "more than a margin". I don't know who that one is, and how realistic it is, I'm afraid you can't suggest anyone that would really come and work under Ashley. To me, I totally understand the limitation, and a "appropriate manager in my mind" is the one who can win most of the match marginally and consistently, GIVEN THIS SQUAD. Bassong even couldnt get a game in Spurs and was sold. I f***ing miss him, you know? Our squad is s***? What utter, depressing bollocks. You should read the Board, i rate our players especially the attacking ones. I think you are the minority that think the players are shit and Pardew is never at fault. BTW i freaking hate the owners as well but that doesnt mean a fifth finish that we had last season would blind sight the fact i had watch football for 34 years and know what is a good team or manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Yes , i remember every single post that i was shot down for questioning his tactics and lack of routine drills and style. The cowardice of not using Ben Arfa. Its all in the thread you wanna do some digging? The only difference was we were winning marginally and everybody was happy. You were one in particular that loved it. I don't want to waste any more time on that. My point is simple: our squad is f***ing s***. Compare the squad with Spurs, including the bench, and see where they finished last season. You are suggesting a "appropriate manager in your mind" can immediately turn us into Man Utd and winning most of the match "more than a margin". I don't know who that one is, and how realistic it is, I'm afraid you can't suggest anyone that would really come and work under Ashley. To me, I totally understand the limitation, and a "appropriate manager in my mind" is the one who can win most of the match marginally and consistently, GIVEN THIS SQUAD. Bassong even couldnt get a game in Spurs and was sold. I f***ing miss him, you know? Our squad is s***? What utter, depressing bollocks. Our squad is s***. Evaluate the bench and other squad rotation players yourself. Don't be cheated by the starting eleven. Really mate I can't be bothered. It's because of fans like you that we will end up losing our quality players while defending a manager who's ideas about football expired in 1980. exactly, look at swansea's bench. no excuse for pardew there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 He really is a coward. Absolutely. Think he's just out of his depth tbh. Agreed. I think Pards is a very good and capable PL manager. But he just doesn't have the chops to make a mid-table team a Champions League team. Which *should* be our goal as a club. easy now. Which part of that statement do you object to? the transformation of a midtable team into a champions league team, jesus its like it just rolls off your lip,. that is a tougher task than you may think, managers that are capable of doing that dont usually join clubs like nufc. This team did finish 5th last season, which I don't attribute purely to Pardew's wizardry or pure dumb luck. Should not the goal of this club be to challenge for a Champions League spot? Finishing 5 with or without Europe competition makes a huge difference. To the owner, definitely a no, because it means he has to spend money. Pretty obvious, no? In fact there isn't a team that can transform into a champions league team without spending huge money. Probably Sir Bobby has already spent the least. Qualifying would undoubtedly line Ashley's pockets. Even after spending to upgrade a CL squad he'd come out with a profit. I just don't understand the mentality in English football that sees fans content with mid-table finishes. Perhaps staying afloat is good enough for teams like Wigan. But the goal for this club, as far its fans are concerned, should be to win hardware and/or qualify for Europe every single year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Thinking back to the Summer when all Pardew seemed to discuss was how he wanted Carroll back. That's a massive clue to me that's all he wants. To get a big lumbering striker in to build all our attacks from. Why else would we use Shola so fucking often in 2012. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dyeyzzon Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Thinking back to the Summer when all Pardew seemed to discuss was how he wanted Carroll back. That's a massive clue to me that's all he wants. To get a big lumbering striker in to build all our attacks from. Why else would we use Shola so f***ing often in 2012. I still think we focused our efforts in the summer to get him on, when we could've made progress elsewhere. (Read: Right back and center back) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 This is looking all too familiar. We could be watching a Souness, Roeder, Big Sam or a Kinnear side here. I've pushed for 4-3-3 and a change in tactics but I'm now starting to believe that it doesn't matter who he picks, in what system, shape or how we play, he simply cannot find a cohesive pattern of play that suits the players he has at his disposal. Certainly not in a fassion that we can kick on from. Last season is clearly a fluke and even that 7 game stretch is now looking like a side simply going through a good spell, a purple patch, a bit like Cisse in front of goal at that time if you like. You can set your side up to keep its shape, work hard, show great spirit etc. but what generally beats teams is quality attacking play and we lack that all over the park to such an extent its actually embarrassing given the 'riches' if you like that we can call upon. To be fair to Pardew he hasn't exactly been helped. We struggle to field a regular consistent side if you like due to Euro fixtures, injuries, suspensions and poor squad depth etc., that and the lack of investment which put a downer on everything in my opinion from the very off, for fans, management and most of all most certainly the players themselves. In that regard its no wonder we are not firing on all cylinders or like last season, aren't up there. None of those issues excuses our piss poor football and the fact we cannot beat sides like Villa, West Ham and now Swansea at home. We were also very fortunate to beat West Brom and Spurs too while we were very poor against Norwich and Man Utd. This is the pattern and its a pattern we've seen before with other managers in the past. I personally think he has reached his zenith and its all down hill for us and him from that point as we are seeing now and that's because in reality he is a poor to average manager. I'm dreading January, if I were Ben Arfa et all, I'd be looking at things and thinking do you know what, I can do better than this! And so can we. Not under Pardew though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Would anyone honestly not take 'Arry Redknapp as manager at this point? Not that Ashley would spend the necessary cash to get him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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