Alan Pardew

[Tiresias]

Yeah I know, but my expectations were so low beforehand it felt like a great time (once results started coming). Only man city did the double on us, we beat United 3-0 at home (and drew away) HBA Ba and Cisse all had goal of the season contenders coming out the wazoo, we trolled liverpool stoke and swansea and got to 5th with a squad noone thought would that alltogether was valued as about 1 Gareth Barry lol.

 

We did play poorly in 2 parts of the season especially and prolly quite fortunate to rack of quite a lot of the points, but again, I didn't care so much cos it was way above expected, and Pardew deserves some credit for that. The only main thing missing was that we played sunderland in both our poor spells, still didn't lose but if we'd played them at other points we'd have had some fun

[Doctor Zaius]

 

I'd say there are just as many who blame him when things go wrong and give him zero credit when things go right, tbf.

 

OK, name them.

Me, can't stand the bloke. Thought he was a crap manager when he arrived, thought he was crap manager last season, think he's a crap manager now.

 

I don't do knee jerk.

 

Did you, Sir, remain flaccid when we played like a dream at the Hawthorns, or shrugged and emitted a "flukey win, that" when we beat Man U, or did you by any chance lay there counting till ten in a missionary position as he took us to our first 5th place finish in years thinking, "oh he'll be done soon enough?"

 

I ask because I don't know how you have to be knee-jerk to give credit where it's due. One can be sans any kind of jerking, knee or otherwise, simply by reacting as a human being to what's being put in front of you.

 

He was hardly a crap manager last season, and to say otherwise is using hindsight to simply back your own opinion on him.

 

I never rated him highly when he arrived either, but I'm putting my fingers where the keyboard is and saying after last season, I have at least some amount of faith in him, and that he may just turn this around, the silver-haired fox. I could be wrong, but adults make choices and take stances where they could possibly turn out to be wrong, but they do so based on evidence (for me that is evidence of last season, not this season -- just to clarify).

 

Thoroughly agree with this. Ive got the faith in Pardew to turn this rut around. I dont think we'll have a fantastic season by no means but we wont have a season that will warrant Pardew the sack. Just praying he can reinstall the character we showed last season, I refuse to believe he lacks the managerial ability to do that.

 

Some of the knee jerking in this thread is cringeworthy like. No way back if we lose to Southampton? Lost the dressing room and the fans? give over man. 

[Mick]

 

 

Thoroughly agree with this. Ive got the faith in Pardew to turn this rut around. I dont think we'll have a fantastic season by no means but we wont have a season that will warrant Pardew the sack. Just praying he can reinstall the character we showed last season, I refuse to believe he lacks the managerial ability to do that.

 

Some of the knee jerking in this thread is cringeworthy like. No way back if we lose to Southampton? Lost the dressing room and the fans? give over man. 

 

What have you seen to make you think he can turn things around?  It can't be his CV because he's never turned a major slump around in his entire career.

[Guest malandro]

Or perhaps he got things right one season, and wrong the next one, it's more complicated than he's either s*** or good ffs, last season was brilliant and I don't want it soured by oooh it was a fluke. We were f***ing mint at times (granted not all the time)

 

Last season wasn't brilliant, our league position was and a few games were but it was also poor at times, especially early in the season.

I never understand why APs record before he came to SJP is so readily ignored.

 

He managed four years at Reading, three at West Ham, two at Charlton and then one in div 3 with Southampton. His career had been in obvious decline for years. I can't think of any manager with a career trajectory like that who suddenly turned into a quality top flight manager.

 

There's always exceptions to the rules but I don't think our performances last season were good enough to turn a blind eye to his less than inspiring CV.

 

[merlin]

 

 

Thoroughly agree with this. Ive got the faith in Pardew to turn this rut around. I dont think we'll have a fantastic season by no means but we wont have a season that will warrant Pardew the sack. Just praying he can reinstall the character we showed last season, I refuse to believe he lacks the managerial ability to do that.

 

Some of the knee jerking in this thread is cringeworthy like. No way back if we lose to Southampton? Lost the dressing room and the fans? give over man. 

 

What have you seen to make you think he can turn things around?  It can't be his CV because he's never turned a major slump around in his entire career.

 

Mick, you should know by now that we possess some of the most blindly optimistic fans in the world....

We also possess a board who have been very capable in reducing their expectations ....

[merlin]

Or perhaps he got things right one season, and wrong the next one, it's more complicated than he's either s*** or good ffs, last season was brilliant and I don't want it soured by oooh it was a fluke. We were f***ing mint at times (granted not all the time)

 

Last season wasn't brilliant, our league position was and a few games were but it was also poor at times, especially early in the season.

I never understand why APs record before he came to SJP is so readily ignored.

 

He managed four years at Reading, three at West Ham, two at Charlton and then one in div 3 with Southampton. His career had been in obvious decline for years. I can't think of any manager with a career trajectory like that who suddenly turned into a quality top flight manager.

 

There's always exceptions to the rules but I don't think our performances last season were good enough to turn a blind eye to his less than inspiring CV.

 

 

See my answer to Mick's comment as above...!

[Mick]

 

Mick, you should know by now that we possess some of the most blindly optimistic fans in the world....

We also possess a board who have been very capable in reducing their expectations ....

 

I agree with both points, we always hope things turn out well and more often than not we end up feeling as if we've been kicked in the balls.

[NEEJ]

Or perhaps he got things right one season, and wrong the next one, it's more complicated than he's either s*** or good ffs, last season was brilliant and I don't want it soured by oooh it was a fluke. We were f***ing mint at times (granted not all the time)

 

Last season wasn't brilliant, our league position was and a few games were but it was also poor at times, especially early in the season.

I never understand why APs record before he came to SJP is so readily ignored.

 

He managed four years at Reading, three at West Ham, two at Charlton and then one in div 3 with Southampton. His career had been in obvious decline for years. I can't think of any manager with a career trajectory like that who suddenly turned into a quality top flight manager.

 

There's always exceptions to the rules but I don't think our performances last season were good enough to turn a blind eye to his less than inspiring CV.

 

You don't half talk some absolute horseshit.

[Zero]

 

I'd say there are just as many who blame him when things go wrong and give him zero credit when things go right, tbf.

 

OK, name them.

Me, can't stand the bloke. Thought he was a crap manager when he arrived, thought he was crap manager last season, think he's a crap manager now.

 

I don't do knee jerk.

 

Did you, Sir, remain flaccid when we played like a dream at the Hawthorns, or shrugged and emitted a "flukey win, that" when we beat Man U, or did you by any chance lay there counting till ten in a missionary position as he took us to our first 5th place finish in years thinking, "oh he'll be done soon enough?"

 

I ask because I don't know how you have to be knee-jerk to give credit where it's due. One can be sans any kind of jerking, knee or otherwise, simply by reacting as a human being to what's being put in front of you.

 

He was hardly a crap manager last season, and to say otherwise is using hindsight to simply back your own opinion on him.

 

I never rated him highly when he arrived either, but I'm putting my fingers where the keyboard is and saying after last season, I have at least some amount of faith in him, and that he may just turn this around, the silver-haired fox. I could be wrong, but adults make choices and take stances where they could possibly turn out to be wrong, but they do so based on evidence (for me that is evidence of last season, not this season -- just to clarify).

 

 

 

Likewise I called him a relegation specialist when he joined, but he won me over with good results and it boggles me that someone wouldn't give him credit, I still do give him credit for that despite being quite furious with him now. He had a great impact for the club, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt over his handling of Ben Arfa even though it took ages for him to become first team regular in that when he was he was brilliant and worked hard for the team etc etc.

 

This season he's been poor, it's partially due to utter failure in the transfer market over the summer, partially due to a hideous injury crisis (made worse by the former) but we also seem completely tactically out of ideas and resorting to s*** footy. It's strange how it's turned out, as while he was never a great tactical tinkerer we were at least not so aimless as we are now. He was caught out a few too many times by packed midfields but normally we were good enough to overcome that. He takes a lot of the blame for this season but it's not inconsistent to say he takes the credit for a lot of last season. He just seems to have lost the dressing room in some way, players aren't motivated or coordinated.

 

This.  I felt the same. Some players seems not as focused on the pitch as last season.

[jdckelly]

Or perhaps he got things right one season, and wrong the next one, it's more complicated than he's either s*** or good ffs, last season was brilliant and I don't want it soured by oooh it was a fluke. We were f***ing mint at times (granted not all the time)

 

Last season wasn't brilliant, our league position was and a few games were but it was also poor at times, especially early in the season.

I never understand why APs record before he came to SJP is so readily ignored.

 

He managed four years at Reading, three at West Ham, two at Charlton and then one in div 3 with Southampton. His career had been in obvious decline for years. I can't think of any manager with a career trajectory like that who suddenly turned into a quality top flight manager.

 

There's always exceptions to the rules but I don't think our performances last season were good enough to turn a blind eye to his less than inspiring CV.

Charlton was a clear mess well before he got in, he was what their 3rd manager since Curbishley left (the end of the previous season) and it took a long time for them to get over that mess and begin to recover including a lengthy enough stint in league 1 and tbh he probably took that job too soon after losing the West Ham job.

Southampton he did well with a club that was in even more chaos than Charlton before and during his early time there and had little time before the season began to get a side together and among his signings was Ricky Lambert who has proven to be a superb signing. He won them their first trophy since 76 (not the biggest trophy in the form of the JPT but still a trophys a trophy) and as I recall they had a 10 point deduction to begin with and hadn't they that problem they'd have finished in the playoffs. He was sacked 3 weeks into the next season after winning 4-0.

[NG32]

We should have moved for redknapp

[James]

This is really his test now.

 

When a proper slump kicked in at west Ham he lost his job.

 

I don't think he has ever reversed a mojor worrying slump.

 

However turn this around and I think he will improve as a manager, which will be good for us long term.

 

I really don't understand the stick he is getting when you consider our past managers and the current alternatives.

[merlin]

We should have moved for redknapp

 

Yes, but he wouldn't have moved for us....too esconced in the South and doesn't need the aggro...

[Dr Venkman]

 

I'd say there are just as many who blame him when things go wrong and give him zero credit when things go right, tbf.

 

OK, name them.

Me, can't stand the bloke. Thought he was a crap manager when he arrived, thought he was crap manager last season, think he's a crap manager now.

 

I don't do knee jerk.

 

Did you, Sir, remain flaccid when we played like a dream at the Hawthorns, or shrugged and emitted a "flukey win, that" when we beat Man U, or did you by any chance lay there counting till ten in a missionary position as he took us to our first 5th place finish in years thinking, "oh he'll be done soon enough?"

 

I ask because I don't know how you have to be knee-jerk to give credit where it's due. One can be sans any kind of jerking, knee or otherwise, simply by reacting as a human being to what's being put in front of you.

 

He was hardly a crap manager last season, and to say otherwise is using hindsight to simply back your own opinion on him.

 

I never rated him highly when he arrived either, but I'm putting my fingers where the keyboard is and saying after last season, I have at least some amount of faith in him, and that he may just turn this around, the silver-haired fox. I could be wrong, but adults make choices and take stances where they could possibly turn out to be wrong, but they do so based on evidence (for me that is evidence of last season, not this season -- just to clarify).

 

That's a fucking great post that should be read and absorbed by everyone.

[Hughesy]

Or perhaps he got things right one season, and wrong the next one, it's more complicated than he's either s*** or good ffs, last season was brilliant and I don't want it soured by oooh it was a fluke. We were f***ing mint at times (granted not all the time)

 

Last season wasn't brilliant, our league position was and a few games were but it was also poor at times, especially early in the season.

 

Show me a team who plays well all season?  I just don't understand this viewpoint.  We did exceptionally well last season.  Unbelievably so in fact.  Of course we were poor at stages - so were Chelsea, Arsenal and Spurs with better squads than us and a lot more money.

[Hughesy]

 

I'd say there are just as many who blame him when things go wrong and give him zero credit when things go right, tbf.

 

OK, name them.

Me, can't stand the bloke. Thought he was a crap manager when he arrived, thought he was crap manager last season, think he's a crap manager now.

 

I don't do knee jerk.

 

Did you, Sir, remain flaccid when we played like a dream at the Hawthorns, or shrugged and emitted a "flukey win, that" when we beat Man U, or did you by any chance lay there counting till ten in a missionary position as he took us to our first 5th place finish in years thinking, "oh he'll be done soon enough?"

 

I ask because I don't know how you have to be knee-jerk to give credit where it's due. One can be sans any kind of jerking, knee or otherwise, simply by reacting as a human being to what's being put in front of you.

 

He was hardly a crap manager last season, and to say otherwise is using hindsight to simply back your own opinion on him.

 

I never rated him highly when he arrived either, but I'm putting my fingers where the keyboard is and saying after last season, I have at least some amount of faith in him, and that he may just turn this around, the silver-haired fox. I could be wrong, but adults make choices and take stances where they could possibly turn out to be wrong, but they do so based on evidence (for me that is evidence of last season, not this season -- just to clarify).

 

That's a f***ing great post that should be read and absorbed by everyone.

 

Spot on.  A bit of sense.

[Mick]

 

 

Show me a team who plays well all season?  I just don't understand this viewpoint.  We did exceptionally well last season.  Unbelievably so in fact.  Of course we were poor at stages - so were Chelsea, Arsenal and Spurs with better squads than us and a lot more money.

 

I agree that we did exceptionally well last season, being brilliant was a step too far and not true. 

[Toonpack]

Anyone who is calling for the manager to be sacked at this stage of the season, with the injuries/suspensions and resultant inability to be able to play our better players on the field together consistently, is a moron (and likely under 25).

[Dr Venkman]

I'm not asking for Pardew to be sacked but be honest with yourself, the problems with the team are much deeper than the injuries, it's the managers mindset that's made us shit.

[Beren]

 

I'd say there are just as many who blame him when things go wrong and give him zero credit when things go right, tbf.

 

OK, name them.

Me, can't stand the bloke. Thought he was a crap manager when he arrived, thought he was crap manager last season, think he's a crap manager now.

 

I don't do knee jerk.

 

Did you, Sir, remain flaccid when we played like a dream at the Hawthorns, or shrugged and emitted a "flukey win, that" when we beat Man U, or did you by any chance lay there counting till ten in a missionary position as he took us to our first 5th place finish in years thinking, "oh he'll be done soon enough?"

 

I ask because I don't know how you have to be knee-jerk to give credit where it's due. One can be sans any kind of jerking, knee or otherwise, simply by reacting as a human being to what's being put in front of you.

 

He was hardly a crap manager last season, and to say otherwise is using hindsight to simply back your own opinion on him.

 

I never rated him highly when he arrived either, but I'm putting my fingers where the keyboard is and saying after last season, I have at least some amount of faith in him, and that he may just turn this around, the silver-haired fox. I could be wrong, but adults make choices and take stances where they could possibly turn out to be wrong, but they do so based on evidence (for me that is evidence of last season, not this season -- just to clarify).

 

That's a fucking great post that should be read and absorbed by everyone.

 

It's written with the superb poise and dramatic flair you'd expect of DJ, but the content is questionable.

 

To look at WBA and Man Utd games in isolation is as fatuous as looking at only the last three games, tbh. At least some of those who hold an opinion of him as an average-to-terrible manager (and I include myself in that bracket) do so on the basis of his tenure as a whole, and those tenures which preceded it.

 

In this tenure, as I've mentioned previously, he has 6/7 impressive games out of the last 48 (including those mentioned in DJ's post) which indicates to me they are the exception rather than the rule. We obviously had a masterfully enjoyable season results-wise in 2011/12, but I rarely - if ever - felt like I was watching a top-five team.

 

By all means, I give credit to Pardew for his tactics at Stoke, some of his PR work and for his thorough preparation (the alleged opponent dossiers etc) but in the grand scheme of things - looking at the big picture - he has never shown enough managerial skills to be a long-term success.

 

I wouldn't say his performance as a manager was crap last season, but he was fortunate to work with a first XI that I think an Allardyce or a Pulis could have comfortably steered into a top 7 position. So, I wouldn't say his performance was good either. The team, and in particular Ba, Cisse, HBA, Colo and Krul, were immense all having fantastic seasons (/half-seasons). Pardew was slightly below average.

 

Can't see anything wrong with malandro or anyone else failing to have ever been convinced by Pardew. I understand there is frustration with some on the board for giving him stick for things he is not at fault for, and for denigrating his few redeeming moments/features - and that is fair enough, but if malandro believes him to always have been a "craperage" manager, the cherry-picked 6/7 games from Pardew apologists do nothing (or negligible damage) to refute such a stance.

[Parky]

PL managers the Parky Table of Truth. 

 

Alex Ferguson Manchester United  92

Arsene Wenger Arsenal...................88

Rafa Benitez    Chelsea..................80

David Moyes Everton..................79

Martin Jol         Fulham...................75

Roberto Martinez Wigan.............74

Redknapp         QPR.......................70

Michael Laudrup Swansea........62

Brendan Rodgers Liverpool........60

Steve Clarke WBA ......................58

Roberto Mancini Manchester C..57

Andre Villas-Boas Tottenham......55

Sam Allardyce West Ham...............53

Alan Pardew Newcastle United.....53

Chris Hughton Norwich City............52

Tony Pulis       Stoke City................52 

Martin O’Neill Sunderland .............50

Paul Lambert Aston Villa...............45

Nigel Adkins Southampton..........44

Brian McDermott Reading...........42

 

 

**Mark Hughes 40

Di Matteo  58

Bold are my current fav PL managers

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Dr Venkman]

I'm not particularly bothered about the content, this is the important bit

 

I could be wrong, but adults make choices and take stances where they could possibly turn out to be wrong, but they do so based on evidence

[Mick]

Anyone who is calling for the manager to be sacked at this stage of the season, with the injuries/suspensions and resultant inability to be able to play our better players on the field together consistently, is a moron (and likely under 25).

 

Aye, our only problems are due to injuries and suspensions, christ.

[Parky]

 

I'd say there are just as many who blame him when things go wrong and give him zero credit when things go right, tbf.

 

OK, name them.

Me, can't stand the bloke. Thought he was a crap manager when he arrived, thought he was crap manager last season, think he's a crap manager now.

 

I don't do knee jerk.

 

Did you, Sir, remain flaccid when we played like a dream at the Hawthorns, or shrugged and emitted a "flukey win, that" when we beat Man U, or did you by any chance lay there counting till ten in a missionary position as he took us to our first 5th place finish in years thinking, "oh he'll be done soon enough?"

 

I ask because I don't know how you have to be knee-jerk to give credit where it's due. One can be sans any kind of jerking, knee or otherwise, simply by reacting as a human being to what's being put in front of you.

 

He was hardly a crap manager last season, and to say otherwise is using hindsight to simply back your own opinion on him.

 

I never rated him highly when he arrived either, but I'm putting my fingers where the keyboard is and saying after last season, I have at least some amount of faith in him, and that he may just turn this around, the silver-haired fox. I could be wrong, but adults make choices and take stances where they could possibly turn out to be wrong, but they do so based on evidence (for me that is evidence of last season, not this season -- just to clarify).

 

That's a fucking great post that should be read and absorbed by everyone.

 

It's written with the superb poise and dramatic flair you'd expect of DJ, but the content is questionable.

 

To look at WBA and Man Utd games in isolation is as fatuous as looking at only the last three games, tbh. At least some of those who hold an opinion of him as an average-to-terrible manager (and I include myself in that bracket) do so on the basis of his tenure as a whole, and those tenures which preceded it.

 

In this tenure, as I've mentioned previously, he has 6/7 impressive games out of the last 48 (including those mentioned in DJ's post) which indicates to me they are the exception rather than the rule. We obviously had a masterfully enjoyable season results-wise in 2011/12, but I rarely - if ever - felt like I was watching a top-five team.

 

By all means, I give credit to Pardew for his tactics at Stoke, some of his PR work and for his thorough preparation (the alleged opponent dossiers etc) but in the grand scheme of things - looking at the big picture - he has never shown enough managerial skills to be a long-term success.

 

I wouldn't say his performance as a manager was crap last season, but he was fortunate to work with a first XI that I think an Allardyce or a Pulis could have comfortably steered into a top 7 position. So, I wouldn't say his performance was good either. The team, and in particular Ba, Cisse, HBA, Colo and Krul, were immense all having fantastic seasons (/half-seasons). Pardew was slightly below average.

 

Can't see anything wrong with malandro or anyone else failing to have ever been convinced by Pardew. I understand there is frustration with some on the board for giving him stick for things he is not at fault for, and for denigrating his few redeeming moments/features - and that is fair enough, but if malandro believes him to always have been a "craperage" manager, the cherry-picked 6/7 games from Pardew apologists do nothing (or negligible damage) to refute such a stance.

 

Think that's a fair appraisal and where I am at this point. I don't think he's terrible and wouldn't go that far, I think he's average but has imporved in some areas from his West Ham and S'ton days. His organisation it is said is as good as many in the league, and most of the time I'd go along with that. My main concern is that his vision (primarily def first football) doesn't sit well with the identity of the club or the aspirations of the maj of the support.

[Jordan]

Playing shit long ball football has fuck all to do with injuries considering we've been playing it for pretty much all of Pardew's tenure.