Cajun Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Personally think Ben Arfa has been brilliant in most games he has played this season. I honestly can't remember him being restricted, if you don't count getting back and winning the ball (which he does pretty bloody well) as playing too deep, don't know the stats but I would guess his attacking contribution has been pretty good figures wise. Also fairly sure someone like Nani will occasionally be found 15 yards in his own half to challenge for the ball. I also think the defensive side of the game isn't respected on here at times. There seems to be the feeling that Ben Arfa, Cisse, Marveaux, Cabaye etc.. are class attackers and players like Tiote (or just a defensive minded midfielder) shouldn't be needed against "lesser" sides so we are being negative if we expect any of the front six (or eight if you include the full backs) to defend. This doesn't work, especially if we are want to deploy attacking full backs, in fact it's nonsense as we saw with the second goal yesterday with Taylor getting the the blame for not stopping them breaking almost unchallenged down the left side of the pitch. Having said this I do expect to be asked to now dig through thousands of posts in match threads to find examples or be told that teams like Manchester United don't have players who defend so why should we Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Aren't the 'Pardisms' mostly tongue in cheek? Except the Shola Ameobi one which is fully justified. Based on the fact he seems to always have a favourite, his current being James Perch. Maybe they are and I have missed the joke but normally they seem pretty sincere. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 5 of 11 matches remaining at SJP. 2 of those are Liverpool and Arsenal (final match of season). We have shown we can fight in every single match we've played in as soon as the signings came through. I'd say we were un-done by the brilliant and on-form player of the moment Gareth Bale. But we've been able get results at home after scoring the first, conceding the first, and of course winning away from home. Keep looking at the fixtures to play and with Hatem coming back...I'm optimistic (cautiously) that we can continue to climb the table. Hopefully we can get at least a point at Swansea and in Russia to come back to a home match vs Stoke and Anzhi. These are going to be some exciting 4 matches man. Imagine if we can manage 4 points from the league (or 6) and on to the next round of the Europa? Hoping Pards continues to do whatever the hell he is currently doing b/c we are playing some good football and getting results, despite starting slowly in both halves and such. Long may it continue, it feels good to be happy around here again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 On Ben Arfa he has been restricted IMO, he's been far too deep and too wide and not roaming enough say compared to how he was at the end of last season. He seemed to have a lot more freedom then compared to start of this season. Also another that should be mentioned is that most of this season its been easy for times to double and triple mark Ben Arfa which limits his space. That won't happen now with Debuchy bombing on also Gouffran and Sissoko will give him shit tonnes of space by comparison. I'm excited to see how Pardew will use him with these new signings, hopefully its something similar to last season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudil Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 All this Pardew praise man ffs 7th is par for this squad so wait until we at least get there before even starting to wank over him man I realise that people are very quick to jump to Pardew's defence because they realise we are stuck with him and as such it's a natural delusion but ffs at least hold off a few games, we're just pulling clear of a relegation scrap Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Ben Arfa's problem earlier on in the season was the rest of the team being a bunch of statues. I honestly don't think moving him up 10 yards will make a massive difference in terms of his output, he was beating players for fun in virtually every game, but nobody else even attempted to capitalise on his good work. What will improve his output, is players around him who are far more comfortable in their roles and are actually moving around a bit. Christ, Ba and Cisse was a woeful partnership. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 All this Pardew praise man ffs 7th is par for this squad so wait until we at least get there before even starting to wank over him man I realise that people are very quick to jump to Pardew's defence because they realise we are stuck with him and as such it's a natural delusion but ffs at least hold off a few games, we're just pulling clear of a relegation scrap I agree, the mass wanking over him has been so excessive I have gone blind and completely missed it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Ben Arfa's problem earlier on in the season was the rest of the team being a bunch of statues. I honestly don't think moving him up 10 yards will make a massive difference in terms of his output, he was beating players for fun in virtually every game, but nobody else even attempted to capitalise on his good work. What will improve his output, is players around him who are far more comfortable in their roles and are actually moving around a bit. Christ, Ba and Cisse was a woeful partnership. Do agree with that 100% Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 All this Pardew praise man ffs 7th is par for this squad so wait until we at least get there before even starting to wank over him man I realise that people are very quick to jump to Pardew's defence because they realise we are stuck with him and as such it's a natural delusion but ffs at least hold off a few games, we're just pulling clear of a relegation scrap I agree, the mass wanking over him has been so excessive I have gone blind and completely missed it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudil Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 All this Pardew praise man ffs 7th is par for this squad so wait until we at least get there before even starting to w*** over him man I realise that people are very quick to jump to Pardew's defence because they realise we are stuck with him and as such it's a natural delusion but ffs at least hold off a few games, we're just pulling clear of a relegation scrap I agree, the mass wanking over him has been so excessive I have gone blind and completely missed it. He's going to show himself to be one of the best managers we have had and it's embarrassing to read the constant stream of snide comments and over the top criticism in this thread, even after an excellent month. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Got a few comments for suggesting that only Spurs (a), Citeh (a) and Liverpool (h) were our biggest challenges remaining in the league. Fully expect Swansea to be on a cup hangover next weekend - they're gonna do the cup parade and there's no danger of them being relegated so a great opportunity to pick up the win. Stoke and Wigan after that - potentially a fully fit HBA back in the side but the Europa games in-between. Still see two winnable games now that we have some sort of squad. Thats's 7-9 points and all of a sudden, 1 defeat in 8 (if we're using the team form as Pardew's measuring stick). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 All this Pardew praise man ffs 7th is par for this squad so wait until we at least get there before even starting to w*** over him man I realise that people are very quick to jump to Pardew's defence because they realise we are stuck with him and as such it's a natural delusion but ffs at least hold off a few games, we're just pulling clear of a relegation scrap I agree, the mass wanking over him has been so excessive I have gone blind and completely missed it. He's going to show himself to be one of the best managers we have had and it's embarrassing to read the constant stream of snide comments and over the top criticism in this thread, even after an excellent month. I just thought Cajun's post was funny man, leave me out of this shit I don't really see how providing 1 quote proves your point of "mass wanking" anyway like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Guys Guys in 5 years time Pardew will be close to securing his second league title with us and we'll all laugh at that season when we thought he should have got sacked. In other news the Leazes end will have just been renamed the Hatem Ben Arfa stand. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudil Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Just coincidence you were quoted. Mass wanking is a bit extreme like But there are a lot of thinly veiled digs and others not veiled at all that are only being posted because Pardew won a few games Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
binnsy Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 I fancy us to beat Swansea and catch both Swansea and Stoke in the next couple of weeks, aided by beating them both, then its a case of can we chase down Liverpool and West Brom, could be a tall order but if we get on a roll and beat them then you never know. Corresponding games last season saw us take 12 points, can we do it again? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Stoke should be the easiest 3 points we'll pick up all season surely. Absolutely no reason for us to lose to them...they're shit away from home, they're safe so nothing to play for... ...f***ing jinxed it now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 If we continue to play with the drive and determination we have had since the new lads signed we should be going out with the mindset that every team is beatable and 3 points should be our goal, and fuck it - that includes City, Liverpool and Arsenal to the end the season. It's about time we looked dangerous and played with a bit of a chip on our shoulder, and right now is best time as any to have it. Prior the signings we would have caved going down 1-0 like we did on Sunday. Look at the end result. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 Does "prior to the signings" include getting Cabaye, Staylor and Tiote back? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 Aye, sure whatever. Just prior to getting the signings/Cabaye/Saylor/Tiote I guess. Just saying in general really man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozy Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 I remember one of Pardews quotes around December time saying he knew we lacked pace and power, and never really gave teams any threat of us countering them. Obviously with Gouffran and Sissoko that's changed, and that's what gives me hope for Pardew. He clearly recognises where the weaknesses are in the team and squad and knows the players he wants to fit. The biggest problem with our play earlier this season was that the whole team had no balance, none of the players really gelled or meshed together and that affected our play, it was turd. It looks like that's changed now, sure signs of that balance being there, more so when HBA gets back. Even Santon is going down the line, things must be looking up! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dontooner Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 The bottom line is Pardew has being trying to piece since his arrival many different formations and teams together , looking for a winning formula. When the formula breaks down he tries another and another. This is the problem we need a more distinctive mature style that is dominating by nature and could put teams under constant pressure, i honestly dont see Pardew instilling a style like that over the long run. Nothing Wrong with how Pardew is managing the team last year and this , just that the results and league positions would be very inconsistent as with our playing style. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 Does "prior to the signings" include getting Cabaye, Staylor and Tiote back? no it includes when cabaye was playing like his head was at arsenal for the first half of the season, and tiote playing like an utter disgrace to football for 90% of his time on the pitch Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 one thing i'd love to know about pardew sunday being a prime example where we fuck a team for 30+ minutes through good football and pull a lead back...they then come out, sit back and allow the opposition to roll over them and equalise...is this specific manager instructions or is it the players themselves who lack confidence? mag i work with is insistent it must be the players themselves but i just don't buy it...even if he's not openly instructing them to do it surely his default position to be overly cautious has rubbed off on them over the last couple of years? funny, as we were arguing about it and i was saying he's overly negative pardew subbed cabaye for perch when it was 3-2 "i can't explain that" was the response Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Slippery Sam Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 one thing i'd love to know about pardew sunday being a prime example where we f*** a team for 30+ minutes through good football and pull a lead back...they then come out, sit back and allow the opposition to roll over them and equalise...is this specific manager instructions or is it the players themselves who lack confidence? mag i work with is insistent it must be the players themselves but i just don't buy it...even if he's not openly instructing them to do it surely his default position to be overly cautious has rubbed off on them over the last couple of years? funny, as we were arguing about it and i was saying he's overly negative pardew subbed cabaye for perch when it was 3-2 "i can't explain that" was the response Pardew, just after he arrived here, said (and this is 100% genuine) that we, the fans, would have to get used to the team protecting a lead, rather than trying to go on for more goals. This, as a philosophy, goes right against the grain for most NUFC fans I would have thought - it does for me. I have not wanted him from day one. I have never felt any different. However, I hope he goes on to win cup after cup etc in his time here and ram my negative feelings down my throat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanSkÃrare Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 one thing i'd love to know about pardew sunday being a prime example where we f*** a team for 30+ minutes through good football and pull a lead back...they then come out, sit back and allow the opposition to roll over them and equalise...is this specific manager instructions or is it the players themselves who lack confidence? mag i work with is insistent it must be the players themselves but i just don't buy it...even if he's not openly instructing them to do it surely his default position to be overly cautious has rubbed off on them over the last couple of years? funny, as we were arguing about it and i was saying he's overly negative pardew subbed cabaye for perch when it was 3-2 "i can't explain that" was the response Pardew, just after he arrived here, said (and this is 100% genuine) that we, the fans, would have to get used to the team protecting a lead, rather than trying to go on for more goals. This, as a philosophy, goes right against the grain for most NUFC fans I would have thought - it does for me. I have not wanted him from day one. I have never felt any different. However, I hope he goes on to win cup after cup etc in his time here and ram my negative feelings down my throat. There is a massive difference between protecting a lead and doing what Pardew does most of the time. Most teams who take the lead protect it with an intention of picking the other team off and get more goals. We don't ever seem to have the slightest intention of doing that. Towards the end of games, Metalist being the latest example, Pardew rather puts out a third defensive block up front, often consisting of Shola. The idea is to win the battles around the box and hoof it up to him at the first attempt, rather than play it out to someone who can actually hurt the oncoming team. In my opinion that's not protecting a lead, but rather inviting an equaliser. If you constantly give the ball back to them it's asking them to have another go, rather than kill the game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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