Unbelievable Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 What happens when Taylor is skinned by someone with pace though, gives away a soft pen, or makes one of his other mental errors? Taylor is error prone, no doubt, but Mbiwa at the minute is even more of a liability. Lad hasn't got the physicality or the brain yet for the Premier League. Needs dropping. We simple can't afford another performance like that. He's got to sit the next one out. Whether it's for Taylor or Williamson, he simply cannot start the next game. And Colo, who was quite a bit worse? I wouldn't say he was quite a bit worse, to be honest. As bad, perhaps. As bad, at best. Directly at fault for goals 1 and 3. The first goal? When Colo went near post and Mapou stood and watched Lukaku, despite having him in his line of sight for the whole move? Yes, the first one, where Colo was just running into undefined space, not watching Lukaku, who had stopped his run, and not looking at where Mirallas was going to put the ball, or attempting to close him down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 What happens when Taylor is skinned by someone with pace though, gives away a soft pen, or makes one of his other mental errors? Taylor is error prone, no doubt, but Mbiwa at the minute is even more of a liability. Lad hasn't got the physicality or the brain yet for the Premier League. Needs dropping. We simple can't afford another performance like that. He's got to sit the next one out. Whether it's for Taylor or Williamson, he simply cannot start the next game. And Colo, who was quite a bit worse? I wouldn't say he was quite a bit worse, to be honest. As bad, perhaps. As bad, at best. Directly at fault for goals 1 and 3. Personally thought Mapou was at fault for 1, didn't pick up Lukaku at all. Mapou a little for 3 as he didn't bother to defend at all. I mean as a defender you do just stop and watch. Just terrible all round from all of them tbh. WHAT? The second goal was mostly his fault. He floats one into Remy when he was under no pressure whatsoever, needlessly giving away the ball. This is made worse by the belief that he's meant to be tidy on the ball. It gets head back, then he runs away from Barkley giving him the space to score the goal. I didn't mention the 2nd goal as i thought it was clearly Mapou's fault. I was responding to a post about goals 1 and 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 My point is Taylor is nowhere near the physical brute you paint him out to be.... he would have done no better than Colo or MYM tonight. It doesn't matter if we go and pick up Prime Vidic and Prime Rio, it wouldn't change a damn thing. I like you as a poster but this is utter f***ing crap. Mapou running away from the ball and Colo prancing around frightened to go near Lukaku is the fault of who? Why does it take a 'physical brute' - which I've never suggested Taylor is - to improve on that. Couple of f***ing cowards at CB. Mapou will improve in time when he ages and mans up a bit. For Colo there's literally no defence for that bollocks. While i agree with that, we defend from the front like i explained its quite likely that scenario doesn't even take place and if it does we would probably more organised in any case. That is the main issue for me, the lack of structure and organisation through out the team and its not just the back 4 its the entire team. Dropping MYM and say Santon wouldn't change a great deal as it stands IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 My point is Taylor is nowhere near the physical brute you paint him out to be.... he would have done no better than Colo or MYM tonight. It doesn't matter if we go and pick up Prime Vidic and Prime Rio, it wouldn't change a damn thing. I like you as a poster but this is utter f***ing crap. Mapou running away from the ball and Colo prancing around frightened to go near Lukaku is the fault of who? Why does it take a 'physical brute' - which I've never suggested Taylor is - to improve on that. Couple of f***ing cowards at CB. Mapou will improve in time when he ages and mans up a bit. For Colo there's literally no defence for that bollocks. While i agree with that, we defend from the front like i explained its quite likely that scenario doesn't even take place and if it does we would probably more organised in any case. That is the main issue for me, the lack of structure and organisation through out the team and its not just the back 4 its the entire team. Dropping MYM and say Santon wouldn't change a great deal as it stands IMO. FWIW, I agree dropping them won't change anything. Today, Debuchy was the pick of the bunch, but next match he may well fuck up and give away a penalty as he's done before. I don't quite agree that it's all about the players in front of them, or the organisation as you say, it's just bad individual mistakes/loss of concentration by seasoned internationals who should no better. I'm quite disappointed in Pardew in this respect particularly. The season we finished fifth, we were solid at the back, mainly because we had a fairly stable back 5 through lack of injuries and suspensions. We haven't built on that at all, and appear as bad as we ever were defensively. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 Colo - comfortable on the ball, tends to read the game well to make interceptions but is physically weak, small and slow. Yanga-Mbiwa - physically not that strong or tall but sometimes shows good recovery pace. Can read situations well at times but seems to have massive lapses in concentration on a regular basis. Taylor - Slow but generally strong in the air. Prone to errors and injury from time to time. Plays with heart and usually in the right place to make blocks. Williamson - Tragic with the ball, slow. Strong in the air but occasionally beaten physically and in the air by smaller opponents. Fairly steady when alongside Colo for a small period of games. Not the strongest set of defenders. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 I think it really just comes down to understanding the opponents strengths and picking the best pair to combat them. Some coaching wrt team shape would also help, but maybe that's just left to the players to work it out on the day like set pieces. That's certainly how it looks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 Colo - comfortable on the ball, tends to read the game well to make interceptions but is physically weak, small and slow. Yanga-Mbiwa - physically not that strong or tall but sometimes shows good recovery pace. Can read situations well at times but seems to have massive lapses in concentration on a regular basis. Taylor - Slow but generally strong in the air. Prone to errors and injury from time to time. Plays with heart and usually in the right place to make blocks. Williamson - Tragic with the ball, slow. Strong in the air but occasionally beaten physically and in the air by smaller opponents. Fairly steady when alongside Colo for a small period of games. Not the strongest set of defenders. That's not the CB's of a top 8 team, not how they're playing anyways. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 Needs to learn if in doubt get in and about his man and leave other players for teammates to deal with rather than if in doubt, stand there in no-mans land achieving fuck all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 Not to mention the fact that Colo and Mapou are to defending set pieces what Tiote is to defence-splitting passes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 Maybe Lukaku prefers attacking to his right but he always identifies Colo as a weakness in the air. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 I'd drop Santon now. His first half was as bad as he's been. Santon has all the attributes to be a good defender apart from knowing how to defend. Is Haidara not fit? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 Would have been great to see this lad play with Douglas ffs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 Would have been great to see this lad play with Douglas ffs. Think of the overdraft young man. Think of the overdraft. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 I'd drop Santon now. His first half was as bad as he's been. Santon has all the attributes to be a good defender apart from knowing how to defend. Is Haidara not fit? Is that not the definition of a contradiction, i know what you mean by the way Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 Needs to learn if in doubt get in and about his man and leave other players for teammates to deal with rather than if in doubt, stand there in no-mans land achieving fuck all. He'll probably re-learn it somewhere else where the manager has a fucking clue about how to make a team out of assorted international players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 Manager's fault again for defending a 12-year-old would be ashamed of. Quality. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Former rock of a CB, captain of his club in his early 20's, confident as fuck, budding international player who was being rated by everyone watching him...he comes here and suddenly becomes "shit" - sorry, a young player can absolutely get ruined when he's being led and trained by an absolute impostor of a manager we've got. He was playing under Rene Girard, a top top footballing man and now he's under the expert guidance of Alan Fucking Shit Pardew. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 If the players think Pardew's tactics are to blame why aren't they going above his head? They either don't give a fuck or accept blame themselves. Far too many players here for the money, that's a big part of the problem. MYM can be a good player in the PL but alongside a weak, slow, non-assertive excuse for a captain he's being fed to the fucking wolves. I do love Colo for how good he's been for us but what chance does a young CB have of learning the English game alongside someone who is (from now on) always going to be exposed by it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 I'd rather he sit and learn the game or adapt to it at RB over Debuchy and eventually move central when we get a capable partner for him long term. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 I'd play him RB the second Taylor's fit, dude. Fingers crossed he'll be ready and able to start for us at CB next season with a partner better than Taylor when Colo slinks back off to Argentina. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Offensively, Mapou has hit the best right footed cross from a RB I've seen in our shirt in the past few years that isn't named Ryan Taylor in that European Match that Cisse scored but was offside. He's a better dribbler and probably would nt get boxed out and stuffed every single time he tries to take someone on like Debuchy. Defensively, he's quicker will probably sit more not exposing us as much and he'll still be able to learn the English game. Finally he's a f***ing leader, well documented at that, and I'm sure he's seething at what's going on this season - he's too much a winner. Hope to f*** he's not going to sit for any long period of time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segun Oluwaniyi Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 I know he was withdrawn, but he wasn't our worst centreback tonight. Colo looked scared to even approach Lukaku. It was an embarrassing performance from him. Between him and Krul, the third goal (the one that killed the game and rendered our obligatory second half surge meaningless) was some of the worst defending I have ever seen in our shirt. Although Mbiwa's backing off for the second was ridiculous, it least it required the opposing player to show skill to score. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Easily Colo's worst performance for us, like. Horrendous. Unable and unwilling. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 If the players think Pardew's tactics are to blame why aren't they going above his head? They either don't give a f*** or accept blame themselves. Far too many players here for the money, that's a big part of the problem. MYM can be a good player in the PL but alongside a weak, slow, non-assertive excuse for a captain he's being fed to the f***ing wolves. I do love Colo for how good he's been for us but what chance does a young CB have of learning the English game alongside someone who is (from now on) always going to be exposed by it? That's a load of bollocyks about Coloccini. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 If the players think Pardew's tactics are to blame why aren't they going above his head? They either don't give a f*** or accept blame themselves. Far too many players here for the money, that's a big part of the problem. MYM can be a good player in the PL but alongside a weak, slow, non-assertive excuse for a captain he's being fed to the f***ing wolves. I do love Colo for how good he's been for us but what chance does a young CB have of learning the English game alongside someone who is (from now on) always going to be exposed by it? That's a load of bullock about Coloccini. It would be, wouldn't it? It means we can't apportion as much blame to Pardew. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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