The College Dropout Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 We have no width from any of our attacking players they all come in field. I'm not sure having our fullbacks sit back and defend is a good idea it will just make us easier to play against. We need Pardew to actually do what he claims to be good at and coach the team into playing as a unit and pressing cohesively. I've said it over and over we have no defensive structure our players haven't been instructed how to defend properly. We don't press, we don't get tight we aren't compact & we live oceans of space between our lines. As long as we defend in this nondescript way we will be punished. I agree we don't press cohesively. Away from home to be compact, we need our fullbacks closer to our centrebacks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 We hardly press at all until its game over...... the team as a whole is a joke defensively. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Closing down is not such a problem when you're a compact unit. We where a compact unit at the beginning of the season we finished 5th. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 We actually closed down then though..... being compact is nice but we are neither at this point. When we finished 5th we had both, we closed down the opposition as a team and we were compact. I'm starting to wonder if that was Hughton's doing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 MYM suffered from serious indecision. That's terrible in any position but at CB it's fatal. A lot of his indecision though was down to having no faith in Colo to do his bit. So MYM didn't know whether to stick or twist half the time. Hope he learns from this and just does what he ought to do and if his partner f**ks up then he can see if the manager has the balls to haul him off instead. Is the bit in bold you mind reading or has he told you that? The reaction to Coloccini by some on here has been nothing less than pathetic, even if he was to blame for the goals, which I'm not saying that he was. Coloccini is not beyond criticism after last night but the reaction has been way over the top. He's the best defender at the club and has been for years. Not a single defender has performed to as high a standard for years and he's possibly the best central defender we've had in my lifetime. I'll see the goals again and might change my mind about who was to blame but after watching the game last night only, he was at worst our 2nd best defender. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 We actually closed down then though..... being compact is nice but we are neither at this point. When we finished 5th we had both, we closed down the opposition as a team and we were compact. I'm starting to wonder if that was Hughton's doing. Can't say we've ever been great at closing down under Pardew. When we defended well we defended deep, compact and largely focused on retaining shape - 2 banks of four. It's very difficult tmaintain 2 banks of 4 if you're closing down all over the gaff. Our closing down was better then than now obviously. We played like he cared then. There's simply no desire. As useless as Ryan Taylor was at LB, he wouldn't give up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Colo was useless. MYM was only worse because some of his mistakes where confusingly stupid. But at that level of shit it doesn't matter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Coloccini is not beyond criticism after last night but the reaction has been way over the top. He's the best defender at the club and has been for years. Not a single defender has performed to as high a standard for years and he's possibly the best central defender we've had in my lifetime. All true. I wish it changed the fact that he's showing signs of not being able to compete in the PL but it doesn't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 All true. I wish it changed the fact that he's showing signs of not being able to compete in the PL but it doesn't. We were an abortion last night and I don't think I've seen us that open for a long while. The first 45 minutes was one of the worst performances I've seen from us and that is down to most of the starting 11 and the prick who made so many changes to bring 2 players in. The problem wasn't even down to the central defenders, they were just made to look shite. Our play was suicidal for most of the first half when we had both right and left back charging up field at the same time. The midfield offered no protection at all and we had two central defenders who wouldn't have known what to do because they had so many choices and possible gaps to try and fill. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 All true. I wish it changed the fact that he's showing signs of not being able to compete in the PL but it doesn't. We were an abortion last night and I don't think I've seen us that open for a long while. The first 45 minutes was one of the worst performances I've seen from us and that is down to most of the starting 11 and the prick who made so many changes to bring 2 players in. The problem wasn't even down to the central defenders, they were just made to look s****. Our play was suicidal for most of the first half when we had both right and left back charging up field at the same time. The midfield offered no protection at all and we had two central defenders who wouldn't have known what to do because they had so many choices and possible gaps to try and fill. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 If the CBs did their job properly we'd have conceded 0 goals in that first half. We're such an easy fucking mark. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Coloccini is not beyond criticism after last night but the reaction has been way over the top. He's the best defender at the club and has been for years. Not a single defender has performed to as high a standard for years and he's possibly the best central defender we've had in my lifetime. All true. I wish it changed the fact that he's showing signs of not being able to compete in the PL but it doesn't. It's not all true. He wasn't great in his first season, and last season was no less than pathetic, with him essentially trying to jump ship for nowt leaving the club in the lurch when its Premiership status was on the line, and this from our captain no less. He's had three very good seasons, one of which was in the Championship, but he's also always had very clearly defineable weaknesses, that the type of striker that Lukaku is exposes time and time again. He's probably been our best defender since I started following NUFC, but that's not really saying much sadly. He's most certainly not above criticism, as even Mick seems to agree, so I don't understand why it bugs him so much when he is justifyingly criticised for a(nother) poor performance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 If the CBs did their job properly we'd have conceded 0 goals in that first half. We're such an easy f***ing mark. We should be playing as a team and we didn't, it's 11 v 11, not 11 v2. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 If the CBs did their job properly we'd have conceded 0 goals in that first half. We're such an easy f***ing mark. We should be playing as a team and we didn't, it's 11 v 11, not 11 v2. our defenders could start by learning the basics of defending the kind of thing they should already know and not shit their pants at the sight of Lukaku and it would have been a decent start. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 our defenders could start by learning the basics of defending the kind of thing they should already know and not s*** their pants at the sight of Lukaku and it would have been a decent start. They know the basics. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 our defenders could start by learning the basics of defending the kind of thing they should already know and not s*** their pants at the sight of Lukaku and it would have been a decent start. They know the basics. could have fooled me on their first half performance Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 We can talk until the cows come home about organisation, Pardew, pressing, defending as a team, etc, but it doesn't detract from the fact that the primary reason the contest was over before it had even begun was individual mistakes by four of our back five. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 We can talk until the cows come home about organisation, Pardew, pressing, defending as a team, etc, but it doesn't detract from the fact that the primary reason the contest was over before it had eveb begun was individual mistakes by four of our back five. Which happen week in and week out... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 We can talk until the cows come home about organisation, Pardew, pressing, defending as a team, etc, but it doesn't detract from the fact that the primary reason the contest was over before it had eveb begun was individual mistakes by four of our back five. I don't disagree that our defence made mistakes, they clearly did. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 We can talk until the cows come home about organisation, Pardew, pressing, defending as a team, etc, but it doesn't detract from the fact that the primary reason the contest was over before it had eveb begun was individual mistakes by four of our back five. Which happen week in and week out... No they don't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 We can talk until the cows come home about organisation, Pardew, pressing, defending as a team, etc, but it doesn't detract from the fact that the primary reason the contest was over before it had eveb begun was individual mistakes by four of our back five. Which happen week in and week out... No they don't. a lot of the goals we concede appear to be down to this, How many times have people slagged off various players already? Debuchy, Santon, Colo and & Mbiwa last night. We must have some of the most error prone defenders in the league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanji Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Something to this: We must have some of the most error prone defenders in the league. If players prior to their time joining us were committing LESS errors whether they played in league, European cups, international play...yet they come here and look like absolute messes... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 We can talk until the cows come home about organisation, Pardew, pressing, defending as a team, etc, but it doesn't detract from the fact that the primary reason the contest was over before it had eveb begun was individual mistakes by four of our back five. Which happen week in and week out... No they don't. a lot of the goals we concede appear to be down to this, How many times have people slagged off various players already? Debuchy, Santon, Colo and & Mbiwa last night. We must have some of the most error prone defenders in the league. most of the time its the full backs causing the problem since they seem only vaguely aware of the concept of defending (Debuchy is the most consistently guilty of this wandering way out of position and into central midfield at times). Colo and Mbwia aren't bad defenders individually but as a pairing last night we saw they just don't work it needs to be one or the other beside Taylor or Williamson. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 a lot of the goals we concede appear to be down to this, How many times have people slagged off various players already? Debuchy, Santon, Colo and & Mbiwa last night. We must have some of the most error prone defenders in the league. It makes you wonder how those "error prone" defenders have all been capped at various levels. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 We can talk until the cows come home about organisation, Pardew, pressing, defending as a team, etc, but it doesn't detract from the fact that the primary reason the contest was over before it had eveb begun was individual mistakes by four of our back five. Which happen week in and week out... No they don't. a lot of the goals we concede appear to be down to this, How many times have people slagged off various players already? Debuchy, Santon, Colo and & Mbiwa last night. We must have some of the most error prone defenders in the league. most of the time its the full backs causing the problem since they seem only vaguely aware of the concept of defending (Debuchy is the most consistently guilty of this wandering way out of position and into central midfield at times). Colo and Mbwia aren't bad defenders individually but as a pairing last night we saw they just don't work it needs to be one or the other beside Taylor or Williamson. Like it was against Liverpool? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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