Who would you go for?

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Chronicle reckons it's between McClaren and Carver.

 

We're in a scenario where Steve McClaren is by far and away the better option ffs. Like being asked to either vote for Farage or Hitler.

 

Someone said yesterday that the Carver rumours were probably leaked by the club themselves so that fans won't set their sights too high. Now when Charnley unveils glamorous Steve McClaren as the new manager and not as feared Carver, everyone will be over the moon rather than underwhelmed.

 

I highly doubt that anyone will be over the moon like.

 

Read three posts up. If he arrives I can guarantee you there'll be plenty more like that to come.

 

If you're referring to my post, and I think you might be, I clearly wouldn't be 'over the moon'

[Guest]

Chronicle reckons it's between McClaren and Carver.

 

80 applicants and now we're down to the créme de la créme.

Saved the best to the last

 

Imagine how good The Apprentice would be though with Ashley instead of Sugar.

[KaKa]

Worth re-reading the remit for a new manager that Charnley came up with after Pardew left. Would make the hiring of Carver gross misconduct really.

[Minhosa]

I get that we shouldn't have to 'settle' for a second rate manager/head coach but it really is starting to piss me off that people are turning their noses up at McClaren. Not to mention all the fucking numpties on the FB page still referring to him as 'The Wally with a Brolly'.

 

The title win at Twente was an incredible achievement, sold their best player in the summer (Eljero Elia) for 9m Euros and signed Ruiz, De Jong for 6m Euros. Of course it's not the best league in the world but regardless of the quality of the league, they weren't considered title contenders. They were unbeaten at home too. Second place Ajax had the likes of Suarez, Van der Wiel, Vertonghen, Alderweireld, Eriksen...it was an incredible achievement.

 

Granted, it was 5 years ago but it still happened - compare that to who is in charge now. No contest.

 

How many of the McClaren haters think we're going to go out and appoint a progressive, foreign coach with a philosophy for attacking football? What are the genuine alternatives given Ashley's track record?

 

Yes, our expectations have been lowered and no I wouldn't be delighted with McClaren but I'd be happy with him - I'd take much more of an interest in us than I do currently and compared to how I'd feel if Carver was appointed. I can't even bare the thought of that.

 

The same guy that's pissing the Championship with his scintillating brand of football. 1 Point ahead of Mick McCarthy's Ipswich.

 

I just don't see any reason to be positive. At least an 'unknown' would get the benefit of the doubt and there'd be some interest in how he'd set the team up.

 

The scintilating brand of football that we've NOT played for, what, 12 years?

 

What are you hoping for in the summer? Ashley to decide he does really give a shit after all and throw a load of money at Klopp? Or for a buyer to magically appear and make us all a lot happier?

 

In terms of being realistic, I'm happy with McClaren. If our circumstances change and we get a new owner, then I won't be.

 

 

Of course we've not had it for years so why shouldn't we take the opportunity now?

 

Ashley could easily employ a manager capable of playing a decent brand of football without spending much more money or risking anything.

 

I genuinely don't think it's an unrealistic ambition, as a fan of a club who are not going to try in any competition they enter, to at least try to play proper football.

 

McLaren has never had a good footballing side.

 

Why does being 'realistic' mean you have to be happy with Steve McClaren from one league below and effectively damaged goods?

 

Why should we even be considering waiting for Steve McClaren and Derby fucking County?

 

I mean what serious sporting institution would wait for a lesser club and a second rate manager? It just doesn't make sense. You tell the bellend to come now or not at all. Why do we give a fuck about Derby's promotion bid? And, if he's going to leave in the summer anyway, why does he?

 

I hardly think it's unrealistic to expect better.

 

On top of that, the bloke is the most boring cunt going. Having to listen to him trot out the latest Bishop Bollocks on MoTD every week in that fucking monotone voice of his will literally drive me up the fucking wall.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

TBH it would probably be the wrong PL club for McClaren unless we're going to change our ambition or our transfer policy.

[Minhosa]

TBH it would probably be the wrong PL club for McClaren unless we're going to change our ambition or our transfer policy.

 

I can see him struggling like fuck with the PR Side. He'll get ripped to fuck imho. He's already a bit of a mockery for the England reign and the sudden dutch accent. He'll be like Buzzcocks here after pre-season.

 

'How do you feel pre-season has gone Steve'

 

'Wew! Fucking unreal. Here man, wuh pure smashed St. Mirren like. Fucking fucked them reet up. An that cunt in midfield man, that radgie was pure lucky he wazn't sent off man. Me fatha's brother cousin was ganna propa have'im after the match like. Daaaft cunt'

 

Anybody associated with the Ashley regime is rightly treated with cynicism and it wouldn't take long for the fans to turn on him too.

 

Bit sad really but a sign of the times and the pure disengagement between owner and fanbase.

 

Some donkey in the middle, dishing out his propaganda, will get fucked sans lube when it all turns out to be lies or spin. Same for Penfold whose credibility is pretty much already shot.

[steve_69]

The safe option isn't always the best option, i don't claim to know anything about this french guy but if the article posted before about him being progressive and a list of ideals of how he believes the game should be played is true i'd rather take a risk on that than the safe option.

 

As a club we have took the safe option for far too long, the safe option doesn't get you anywhere.

 

I'm not sure 'safe option' is the right description for the succession of utter gash we've had at the helm - Kinnear, Shearer, Pardew, Carver. Even Hughton was a risky appointment at the time.

They need to stop taking stupid gambles, look at the credentials of the available candidates and make a decision based on merit for once.

[TRon]

Chronicle reckons it's between McClaren and Carver.

 

We're in a scenario where Steve McClaren is by far and away the better option ffs. Like being asked to either vote for Farage or Hitler.

 

Someone said yesterday that the Carver rumours were probably leaked by the club themselves so that fans won't set their sights too high. Now when Charnley unveils glamorous Steve McClaren as the new manager and not as feared Carver, everyone will be over the moon rather than underwhelmed.

 

I highly doubt that anyone will be over the moon like.

 

Read three posts up. If he arrives I can guarantee you there'll be plenty more like that to come.

 

If you're referring to my post, and I think you might be, I clearly wouldn't be 'over the moon'

 

The "over the moon" comment was meant as fan reaction in contrast to giving Carver the job. Tbf, if I thought Carver was in serious danger of getting the job, I'd be over the moon to get McClaren instead, and I don't even like him. But compared to Pie and Chips Carver it would be like getting Jurgen Klopp.

[steve_69]

The mere fact that these arseholes seem to be considering Carver for any position other than Head of Cone Placement shows exactly how much they know about football.

His record is fucking appalling, his tactics are unidentifiable, his ability to motivate players is non-existent, his team selections are awful and he has absolutely no record of success in football management to point to. There is literally no reason at all to have him in the running.

 

I'd welcome McLaren with open arms given the alternative means almost certain relegation

 

 

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Chronicle reckons it's between McClaren and Carver.

 

We're in a scenario where Steve McClaren is by far and away the better option ffs. Like being asked to either vote for Farage or Hitler.

 

Someone said yesterday that the Carver rumours were probably leaked by the club themselves so that fans won't set their sights too high. Now when Charnley unveils glamorous Steve McClaren as the new manager and not as feared Carver, everyone will be over the moon rather than underwhelmed.

 

I highly doubt that anyone will be over the moon like.

 

Read three posts up. If he arrives I can guarantee you there'll be plenty more like that to come.

 

If you're referring to my post, and I think you might be, I clearly wouldn't be 'over the moon'

 

The "over the moon" comment was meant as fan reaction in contrast to giving Carver the job. Tbf, if I thought Carver was in serious danger of getting the job, I'd be over the moon to get McClaren instead, and I don't even like him. But compared to Pie and Chips Carver it would be like getting Jurgen Klopp.

 

[Dave]

Driving down expectations by sticking with Carver until McClaren seems like a great appointment is absolutely typical of this regime. Wouldn't amaze me if they even assessed Derby's dip in form around the time we were looking and decided it was a way to save some money should Derby not get promotion. As ever with these pricks it's about doing as little as possible.

[Varadi]

Worth re-reading the remit for a new manager that Charnley came up with after Pardew left. Would make the hiring of Carver gross misconduct really.

 

Charnley said: “I hope by the end of this week I will have a better indication of where we sit.

 

“I will know the really, really credible individuals who would be of real interest to us and from there whether a decision can be made now or whether that decision can wait until the summer.

 

“There is a wide range of options.

 

“There are people who genuinely cannot move now, whether that be for personal reasons, contractual or a whole host – they cannot come now.

 

“There are some who can, whether they are tied to other clubs but have a compensation element involved or are out of work.

 

“What I have done so far is go through them, with Graham’s input, and refine the candidates.

 

“I needed to make sure those individuals understand what the role is, understand what is expected of them here, understand the pressures which come with this role and understand what their philosophy is and the culture they would create and develop here.”

 

He added: “I know the individual who comes in will be credible and best suited for this role.

 

“First and foremost they have to be a good coach and with a track record of developing players and giving young players a chance - that is important.

 

“For me, style of play is important.

 

“How they conduct themselves is also important as the head coach will play a key part in how the club is perceived through his conduct on and off the field.”

 

United are being up front with all candidates about what to expect if they get the job.

 

“The traditional English boss who would want full control is not what I am looking for - they do not fit within our structure or strategy,” said Charnley.

 

“This is not something new but it is a refinement of the role Alan (Pardew) had. It is a greater clarity for whoever gets the job in terms of what they do and what their role is.”

 

http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/newcastle-united-whittle-down-long-8485075

[thenige]

Carver or McClaren would disappoint me massively. I'm already completely apathetic towards football thanks to Newcastle's recent history, but either of those and I'd find something better to do on match days. Which I fear wouldn't be that hard.

[KaKa]

Worth re-reading the remit for a new manager that Charnley came up with after Pardew left. Would make the hiring of Carver gross misconduct really.

 

Charnley said: “I hope by the end of this week I will have a better indication of where we sit.

 

“I will know the really, really credible individuals who would be of real interest to us and from there whether a decision can be made now or whether that decision can wait until the summer.

 

“There is a wide range of options.

 

“There are people who genuinely cannot move now, whether that be for personal reasons, contractual or a whole host – they cannot come now.

 

“There are some who can, whether they are tied to other clubs but have a compensation element involved or are out of work.

 

“What I have done so far is go through them, with Graham’s input, and refine the candidates.

 

“I needed to make sure those individuals understand what the role is, understand what is expected of them here, understand the pressures which come with this role and understand what their philosophy is and the culture they would create and develop here.”

 

He added: “I know the individual who comes in will be credible and best suited for this role.

 

“First and foremost they have to be a good coach and with a track record of developing players and giving young players a chance - that is important.

 

“For me, style of play is important.

 

“How they conduct themselves is also important as the head coach will play a key part in how the club is perceived through his conduct on and off the field.”

 

United are being up front with all candidates about what to expect if they get the job.

 

“The traditional English boss who would want full control is not what I am looking for - they do not fit within our structure or strategy,” said Charnley.

 

“This is not something new but it is a refinement of the role Alan (Pardew) had. It is a greater clarity for whoever gets the job in terms of what they do and what their role is.”

 

http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/newcastle-united-whittle-down-long-8485075

 

Carver fails everything 

 

No chance he gets the gig after reading through that again. I mean come on!

[Mole_Toonfan]

Not like they have lied before or anything.... oh wait.

[AlanSkÃrare]

With McClaren, I feel it's easy to point out why his possible appointment would be as pointless as Pardew really.

 

Like Pardew, he wouldn't be appointed based on sporting merit. If we were looking to attract someone who could develop NUFC as a football club, we would not dive into the Championship after reviewing 80 applications or look to the continent.

 

Like Pardew, he fits the profile of being instantly and endelssly indebted to Ashley. Thankful for being up-hoisted from a lower league and given the chance to redecorate his reputation - despite no other Premier League club reaching for him, but turning to the likes of Chris Ramsey, Tim Sherwood, Tony Pulis and Alan Pardew. That's his standing in the game. He's not a forgotten managerial talent that we can magically resurrect on the cheap.

 

Like Pardew, he'll be brought in to pick up whatever is thrown at him, do Pardew's job of advertising vulnerability in the transfer market and act as a human shield whenever recruitment or cup policy is being questioned, while being ever so thankful of having job that one of his main priorities will be staying in the job, a job he wouldn't have without our self-constructed crippled reality. He'll threfore need to actively reinforce that with the same rhetoric Pardew used, as any other reality would signal that he should have never even been considered for the job.

 

Like Pardew (well...), he'll have just enough to keep us ticking over, earn praise from colleagues for picking up the odd unexpected win and manage a club that is virtually impossible to manage; subsequently restoring his reputation.

 

I'm quite sure that's the approach they'll use when trying to sell the job to him, if they don't stop the charade and just go with Carver. In which case they're not even interested in disguising our pointless existence anymore.

[TRon]

With McClaren, I feel it's easy to point out why his possible appointment would be as pointless as Pardew really.

 

Like Pardew, he wouldn't be appointed based on sporting merit. If we were looking to attract someone who could develop NUFC as a football club, we would not dive into the Championship after reviewing 80 applications or look to the continent.

 

Like Pardew, he fits the profile of being instantly and endelssly indebted to Ashley. Thankful for being up-hoisted from a lower league and given the chance to redecorate his reputation - despite no other Premier League club reaching for him, but turning to the likes of Chris Ramsey, Tim Sherwood, Tony Pulis and Alan Pardew. That's his standing in the game. He's not a forgotten managerial talent that we can magically resurrect on the cheap.

 

Like Pardew, he'll be brought in to pick up whatever is thrown at him, do Pardew's job of advertising vulnerability in the transfer market and act as a human shield whenever recruitment or cup policy is being questioned, while being ever so thankful of having job that one of his main priorities will be staying in the job, a job he wouldn't have without our self-constructed crippled reality. He'll need to reinforce that with the same rhetoric Pardew used, as any other reality would signal that he should have never even been considered for the job.

 

Like Pardew (well...), he'll have just enough to keep us ticking over, earn praise from colleagues for picking up the odd unexpected win and manage a club that is virtually impossible to manage; subsequently restoring his reputation.

 

I'm quite sure that's the approach they'll use when trying to sell the job to him, if they don't stop the charade and just go with Carver. In which case they're not even interested in disguising our pointless existence anymore.

 

While I agree with the gist of your general sentiment, where I would differ is comparing him to Pardew. While McClaren generally comes across as an uninspiring figure who never amounted to much despite early hype, I do think he's on another level to Pardew because at least he seems to have some genuine coaching credentials. By that I mean there is probably some respect within the game for that side of him. Pardew on the other hand is seen mostly as  wide boy who will probably never seriously be considered for the national job. I get the feeling McClaren teams will be boring and functional but probably not as blatantly horrible to watch as Pardew's. Centre forwards playing at left back and what have you.

[AlanSkÃrare]

With McClaren, I feel it's easy to point out why his possible appointment would be as pointless as Pardew really.

 

Like Pardew, he wouldn't be appointed based on sporting merit. If we were looking to attract someone who could develop NUFC as a football club, we would not dive into the Championship after reviewing 80 applications or look to the continent.

 

Like Pardew, he fits the profile of being instantly and endelssly indebted to Ashley. Thankful for being up-hoisted from a lower league and given the chance to redecorate his reputation - despite no other Premier League club reaching for him, but turning to the likes of Chris Ramsey, Tim Sherwood, Tony Pulis and Alan Pardew. That's his standing in the game. He's not a forgotten managerial talent that we can magically resurrect on the cheap.

 

Like Pardew, he'll be brought in to pick up whatever is thrown at him, do Pardew's job of advertising vulnerability in the transfer market and act as a human shield whenever recruitment or cup policy is being questioned, while being ever so thankful of having job that one of his main priorities will be staying in the job, a job he wouldn't have without our self-constructed crippled reality. He'll need to reinforce that with the same rhetoric Pardew used, as any other reality would signal that he should have never even been considered for the job.

 

Like Pardew (well...), he'll have just enough to keep us ticking over, earn praise from colleagues for picking up the odd unexpected win and manage a club that is virtually impossible to manage; subsequently restoring his reputation.

 

I'm quite sure that's the approach they'll use when trying to sell the job to him, if they don't stop the charade and just go with Carver. In which case they're not even interested in disguising our pointless existence anymore.

 

While I agree with the gist of your general sentiment, where I would differ is comparing him to Pardew. While McClaren generally comes across as an uninspiring figure who never amounted to much despite early hype, I do think he's on another level to Pardew because at least he seems to have some genuine coaching credentials. By that I mean there is probably some respect within the game for that side of him. Pardew on the other hand is seen mostly as  wide boy who will probably never seriously be considered for the national job. I get the feeling McClaren teams will be boring and functional but probably not as blatantly horrible to watch as Pardew's. Centre forwards playing at left back and what have you.

 

I agree with that, McClaren is (or was) by many accounts a better coach.

 

That's not the reason we might appoint him though, which makes the appointment equally as uninspiring for me.

[NUFC_Chris]

I get the impression Ashley wants to appoint an English coach. Someone he feels he can relate to, take out on the piss and twist round his little finger. I'd be surprised if we got any of the French lads mentioned.

[Minhosa]

With McClaren, I feel it's easy to point out why his possible appointment would be as pointless as Pardew really.

 

Like Pardew, he wouldn't be appointed based on sporting merit. If we were looking to attract someone who could develop NUFC as a football club, we would not dive into the Championship after reviewing 80 applications or look to the continent.

 

Like Pardew, he fits the profile of being instantly and endelssly indebted to Ashley. Thankful for being up-hoisted from a lower league and given the chance to redecorate his reputation - despite no other Premier League club reaching for him, but turning to the likes of Chris Ramsey, Tim Sherwood, Tony Pulis and Alan Pardew. That's his standing in the game. He's not a forgotten managerial talent that we can magically resurrect on the cheap.

 

Like Pardew, he'll be brought in to pick up whatever is thrown at him, do Pardew's job of advertising vulnerability in the transfer market and act as a human shield whenever recruitment or cup policy is being questioned, while being ever so thankful of having job that one of his main priorities will be staying in the job, a job he wouldn't have without our self-constructed crippled reality. He'll threfore need to actively reinforce that with the same rhetoric Pardew used, as any other reality would signal that he should have never even been considered for the job.

 

Like Pardew (well...), he'll have just enough to keep us ticking over, earn praise from colleagues for picking up the odd unexpected win and manage a club that is virtually impossible to manage; subsequently restoring his reputation.

 

I'm quite sure that's the approach they'll use when trying to sell the job to him, if they don't stop the charade and just go with Carver. In which case they're not even interested in disguising our pointless existence anymore.

 

All of the above and also the fact that he's still damaged goods after the England debacle. Ashley loves something a bit battered/flood damaged.

 

He can tart it up and flog it on.

 

Exactly the same scenario applies to McClaren imho.

[afar]

Such a wasted opportunity if they appoint either Mclaren or Carver. FFS, McLaren can't even get a team out of the Championship, how is that any kind of a job reference. Carver's record speaks for itself, the guy should be nowhere near this football club.

[steve_69]

The fact that McLaren's tactics extend beyond lumping it up to a big man and playing every set penis to a hapless lumux at the far post is a step in the right direction. We might actually be able to buy in to the football again even if we continue to detest the regime. That's a small positive but a positive nonetheless.

[Guest chopey]

Eh what happens if McLaren turns us down

[Guest Roger Kint]

Eh what happens if McLaren turns us down

 

[Guest Roger Kint]

Eh what happens if McLaren turns us down

 

 

 

He would be like this