Happy Face Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 It's a fact. We've relied less on long balls as the season has gone on. Whether Pardew has the ability to have his team pass it and move around our opponents effectively is another matter. But those that don't like hoofball should give credit the change in approach, rather than blindly repeat that we're still as bad as we were in September for it. There hasn't been a huge shift in approach and if anything we actually played less long ball football leading up to January than we did after January. Against Man Utd and Arsenal for example, for long spells our football was good, very good. That short shift in approach mainly coincided with the Jan arrivals anyway, but once the dust had settled so to speak, the long ball soon reappeared to the point where we used it a lot, even in Europe. Our football hasn't really improved at all, if anything its worse given the higher calibre of players/more options. http://i41.tinypic.com/2z8c09f.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 It's a fact. We've relied less on long balls as the season has gone on. Whether Pardew has the ability to have his team pass it and move around our opponents effectively is another matter. But those that don't like hoofball should give credit the change in approach, rather than blindly repeat that we're still as bad as we were in September for it. There hasn't been a huge shift in approach and if anything we actually played less long ball football leading up to January than we did after January. Against Man Utd and Arsenal for example, for long spells our football was good, very good. That short shift in approach mainly coincided with the Jan arrivals anyway, but once the dust had settled so to speak, the long ball soon reappeared to the point where we used it a lot, even in Europe. Our football hasn't really improved at all, if anything its worse given the higher calibre of players/more options. http://i41.tinypic.com/2z8c09f.jpg What in fucks name is that? Woeful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 Got any stats that dispels our chronic lack of organisation and movement? Or you going to tell us that doesn't happen either? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubaricho Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 That looks entirely made up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 Photoshopped!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 That looks entirely made up. pick a game at random. Click "match report" here.... http://www.whoscored.com/Teams/23/Fixtures/England-Newcastle-United Observe the breakdown of pass types and tell me if I falsified any. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 Bustin' out the graphs, like a G. The very thought of the effort makes my scrotum cringe, but fair play to you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 http://i41.tinypic.com/2re6x09.jpg There's the numbers. So, tell me how Pardew isn't doing anything to reduce our reliance on long balls if we've avearged 20 less in the last third of the season compared to the first 3rd? Fucking stats. Shit Mean nowt. I see us hoof it with me eyes man, I trust them more. Bollocks, you've a pavlovian response to any long balls. Every one sticks like a craw in your neck and you're blinded to the actual real improvements being strived for. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 That looks entirely made up. pick a game at random. Click "match report" here.... http://www.whoscored.com/Teams/23/Fixtures/England-Newcastle-United Observe the breakdown of pass types and tell me if I falsified any. How do you know that site is accurate? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 That looks entirely made up. pick a game at random. Click "match report" here.... http://www.whoscored.com/Teams/23/Fixtures/England-Newcastle-United Observe the breakdown of pass types and tell me if I falsified any. How do you know that site is accurate? Jesus Wept. Aye, they're Pardew lovers there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 This mode of debate is too 'new fangled'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 That looks entirely made up. pick a game at random. Click "match report" here.... http://www.whoscored.com/Teams/23/Fixtures/England-Newcastle-United Observe the breakdown of pass types and tell me if I falsified any. How do you know that site is accurate? Obviously it's more accurate than your eyes and judgement of watching us over the years Mick. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 It's a fact. We've relied less on long balls as the season has gone on. Whether Pardew has the ability to have his team pass it and move around our opponents effectively is another matter. But those that don't like hoofball should give credit the change in approach, rather than blindly repeat that we're still as bad as we were in September for it. There hasn't been a huge shift in approach and if anything we actually played less long ball football leading up to January than we did after January. Against Man Utd and Arsenal for example, for long spells our football was good, very good. That short shift in approach mainly coincided with the Jan arrivals anyway, but once the dust had settled so to speak, the long ball soon reappeared to the point where we used it a lot, even in Europe. Our football hasn't really improved at all, if anything its worse given the higher calibre of players/more options. http://i41.tinypic.com/2z8c09f.jpg Stop posting facts man, they get well in the way of popular opinion. There's a good boy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 Again open to vast interpretation. A pin point 40 yard diagonal is by definition a "long ball". In the same way a long hopeful punt up to Cisse is a "long ball". This reliance on stats is ludicrous, people have watched it with their own eyes. Also "improvements" :lol: so we cut it back a bit. I should think so considering we threw five players in the mix. You've basically posted what I mockingly said the response would be. Not sure if it's serious. If we've averaged less than 55 long balls per game for the last 3 months, that is one of the lowest in the league man, irrespective of whether they're pinpoint or wild hoofs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
healthyaddiction Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 As far as the whoscored long ball stats, if you look at the same for Stoke you'll see a very similar percentage of short passing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 It's a fact. We've relied less on long balls as the season has gone on. Whether Pardew has the ability to have his team pass it and move around our opponents effectively is another matter. But those that don't like hoofball should give credit the change in approach, rather than blindly repeat that we're still as bad as we were in September for it. There hasn't been a huge shift in approach and if anything we actually played less long ball football leading up to January than we did after January. Against Man Utd and Arsenal for example, for long spells our football was good, very good. That short shift in approach mainly coincided with the Jan arrivals anyway, but once the dust had settled so to speak, the long ball soon reappeared to the point where we used it a lot, even in Europe. Our football hasn't really improved at all, if anything its worse given the higher calibre of players/more options. http://i41.tinypic.com/2z8c09f.jpg Stop posting facts man, they get well in the way of popular opinion. There's a good boy. Facts. Graphs with no axis labels nor accompanying explanations are now facts!? It's fucking nonsense man you daft shite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 I also watch the matches with my own eyes, albeit mostly on the telly, and there is a lot not to like about our style of play, but a hoofball team we are not imho. We do play long balls of course, but so does almost every other team in the league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 The day the graphs landed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 It's a fact. We've relied less on long balls as the season has gone on. Whether Pardew has the ability to have his team pass it and move around our opponents effectively is another matter. But those that don't like hoofball should give credit the change in approach, rather than blindly repeat that we're still as bad as we were in September for it. There hasn't been a huge shift in approach and if anything we actually played less long ball football leading up to January than we did after January. Against Man Utd and Arsenal for example, for long spells our football was good, very good. That short shift in approach mainly coincided with the Jan arrivals anyway, but once the dust had settled so to speak, the long ball soon reappeared to the point where we used it a lot, even in Europe. Our football hasn't really improved at all, if anything its worse given the higher calibre of players/more options. http://i41.tinypic.com/2z8c09f.jpg Stop posting facts man, they get well in the way of popular opinion. There's a good boy. Facts. Graphs with no axis labels nor accompanying explanations are now facts!? It's f***ing nonsense man you daft s****. Are you telling me you don't understand the axis values..? A wild stab in the dark here: X for fixtures, Y for number of long balls (in that particular fixture).. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 Well I thought this thread couldn't get more depressing and then a wild facetious statto appears! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 Jesus Wept. Aye, they're Pardew lovers there. You're nuts if read everything as fact. Spot the difference. http://www.whoscored.com/Matches/615283/MatchReport http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/match/2013/apr/27/newcastleunited-v-liverpool Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 I'm still baffled by that comment from Pardew about getting Tiote OUT of the habit of just winning it and giving it. He seems to have been worse and worse since then. It's all he should be doing as far as I'm concerned. I get the point, but he's getting flak for playing crap football, and criticised for seemingly trying to get one of his cloggers to improve his game. Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 Oh a stats based Pardew defence. Makes me glad to be miles from civilization. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 I love the fact that someone who has watched every minute of every game, their judgement is now question by Stats that show no reflection in the state of a game at any one time. Stats don't show whether you were on the back foot, front foot, time wasting, particular incidents in games etc. It's utter flangewipe, our eyes and years of watching football are a better judge than a bunch of numbers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 I love the fact that someone who has watched every minute of every game, their judgement is now question by Stats that show no reflection in the state of a game at any one time. Starts don't show whether you were on the back foot, front foot, time wasting, particular incidents in games etc. It's utter flangewipe, our eyes and years of watching football are a better judge than a bunch of numbers. And here's the rub...Pards loves his stats and averages. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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